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Kuro Yojimbo
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:43:00 -
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So , I tried the cf & well , not impressed.....
Impressed and disgusted by it's use , that I was....
Now , it's exactly like Halo , overrealistic with people jumping around dodging bullets
& the magnificient shotgunner CF bearer....
Not only is there no more scan profile reduction on any suits , but the cloak now has the bonus....
First , it makes scanners way too powerful for their required skills and price of gears , specs as well....
Second , the CF skills improvement rate is disgusting (15% per level) and makes it's specs ridiculous...
If the CF specs would be moderately reduced (by skill tree only) , say by 5% like any other
gears , I would be all up for it.
But think of this , you wanna be frigging invisible , well you will be having a really lightly geared
suit...(still pretty powerful nonetheless)....
So way sure , you'll have your shotgun , maybe one low r high slot module on , but you'll have
your cf.....
This is where the line is being crossed , CF are a good tool , but because of it's potential , power
& unfrigging believable easiness to obtain and wear , it makes it overpower....
Now , all you see is a bunch of blurry idiots that play chicken instead of fighting....
Although to each it's own , CCP as to make it even , otherwise , why should I care to frontline
when all I need to do is disappear.... which most people do now....
CCP , either balance the CF properly or remove it!
For those that enjoy the CF (to which I say : MUNCHKIN & COWARD) , well , you kept complaining about
campers .... the cf users are the next generation if it's too easy to obtain....
And while I am a sniper , I don't camp & never will use the cf , since combining long range waiting
and impossibility to detect ... well ... absolutely OP & wrong....
If I want to vanish , kill stuff & run ... or dodge bullets while flying , I'll play HALO.. . thank you very much...!
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 03:08:00 -
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First , I understand it has flaws.... yet ... it's too easy to wear...
The skill gives a reduction of 15% per level.... that is way too excessive!!!!
If it was like any other gears or weapons , the 5% per level , I would be fine with the CF.
On top of that , tunnel vision is always there during battle , that you are aware or not , a noob or vet.
So if the price is up a little and the skill reduction tweaked , then who cares , you won't be sporting
a proto with 2000 upgrades on it... That would be a downside that is still acceptable , since the element
of surprise is always the best weapon in a battle! And yes , a cooldown between use (not recharge) would tweak it fairly.
It also avoids having 20 people per fight sporting that gear and saves us from the pain of playing
cat and mouse instead of fighting....
Remember , it's a wargame , not Assassin's Creed or phony games like Halo....
But then again , even if I can cap out in the cf , I won't , it's like a sniping tank : cheap and pretty useless... 
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:03:00 -
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This is not eve ....
Eve acts in the middle of space , plenty of ships and countermeasures....
And , the prices are way up if you want to get good gears , so there is no comparisons
possible between the two....
Two different platforms , two different games....
And the reduction is to balance , compared to all other upgradeable gear ' skills we have.
So 5% is good on top of the 5% per level if you sport a light suit.... So it makes it's use limited ,
yet like snipers , will define a particular role on the battlefield... on equal ground!
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot your face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:21:00 -
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Psychotic Shooter wrote:Can i just interject the Cloak is made for the scout that is why Scouts get 15% per lvl so it is easy to fit for scout and hard to fit for Logi's, Assault's and Commandos It is possible but the high lvl Cloaks are made for scouts if the scout had 5% per level 330 CPU for a pro cloak would be impossible to fit for how much you are taking away from the suit, also assault's get 5% of light and sidearm weapon which is far since it is lower CPU and PG cost and Logi's get 5% of Equipment CPU and PG cost per level which is also fair since they use less CPU and PG in the first place.
No , the 15% per level is in the skill tree!!!! The skill itself reduces the specs requirements by 15%.
The light suit proficiency only gives 5% per level , which is perfect...
So if both provided 5% per level , it still gives 50% reduction for those who want to specialize in infiltration.
Then it's fair and prevents non-specialized suits to overuse the CF!!!
Balance , not nerfing it to uselessness , only adjusting it...
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:33:00 -
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Yep , my bad!
But 15% is still too much...
10% per level would be not too bad , considering a reduction of 50% if you maxed it out.
And remember , it's advantages , on top of reducing profile would not be impeded by a small adjustment.
Otherwise , you'll keep seeing blurs and people waiting instead of trying to fight...
In the last 5 matches I've been.... people are sitting there , hoping to not get caught by CF
or waiting to activate theirs for a kill...
Hell , I've seen an objective being uncontested and unprotected for a whole match!
So my point is , although it could be a great tool , it's not suppose to be an all-around gear
everyone can and wish to use. Just like tools , weapons , modules , you don't see everyone sporting
a proto rep tool or proto nanite injector... Why? Because it is role defined and a support for
players to strategise with. But with CF , it becomes a boredom of hide and seek , the battle loses
it's flavor and now , you see people doing absolutely nothing but run around cloaked and hide till
they can use it some more....
This is what I meant by "tweaking" the CF.
CCP can make it a valuable tool , yet not to the reach of those not wishing to specialize.
Sure , you can have a low-end one , but at least people might just resort to good old fighting
and let infiltrators use this.
Everyone as a role , be it support , frontline , suppressive , infiltration , transport or scouting.
But if everyone could wear Heavy suits with tool slots available , then some other roles would be obsolete.
It's really just a matter of proper measure , just like the AV being next to useless now....
Of course , AV-manned blues should not be able to instantly kill a tank , after all , that would be a stretch ,
but now , it takes 3-4 people working in tandem to take 1 tank , that's if his boost did not take him
out of your lousy range as well... lol
So many things are yet to be resolved and that's why I'm disappointed in general....
The bugs are not fixed , we spawn with damage to our shields and armors , not counting
the invisible obstacle glitch , the magical shield glitch and the sudden burst of speed glitch...
All of these have been brought before , yet they are still there....
So the list goes on and keeps piling up....
I just wished that CCP would look at our forums and actually listen to all that's been said...
Sure , they give us timelines , promises and etc...
In the end , we still have the short end of the stick compared to EVE players.
We cannot sell our useless gears , which is easy to implement and cannot
trade amongst each other...
I pay to play this game (aurum wise) and I'm afraid that one day CCP will start charging membership
fees for this game. Remember , we are dependent on EVE right now , so if they have to cut loose ends ,
Dust will be gone way before EVE is....
Just a thought....
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 -
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Ronan Elsword wrote:Unless you run scout then you have no idea what your talking about.
I do run scout and don't intend to use CF.
Yes , I know people would barely be able to fit a cf unless you are
running light scout , but that is the way it should be!
Reducing by a staggering amount is not going to help game balance whatsoever!
By the way , I keep stating that I am sniper and wear scout, learn how to read!
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:02:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Ummm... even with the 75% fitting reduction, Cloaks are far harder to fit than any other module/weapon/equipment in the game.
You are right about that.
Nevertheless , the reduction is still too great....
It just needs tweaking , not overhauling and total nerfing....
Besides that , I am fine with the concept since I can still snipe
anyone cloaking themselves , especially since everyone uses it
right as they spawn, too easy...lol
But I am with you , this game needs a general review in terms of balance
and fairness anyways! 
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
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Kuro Yojimbo
Kuro kaze Company
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:15:00 -
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Interesting...
Not many people speak up about the CF.
You hear it on local channels , in Corp , yet it's here such thing really matters.
Oh well , I think this CF matter is closed....
Remember , no matter how much we praise it or bash it , CCP will do as it pleases....
So , thank you all for your input and opinions!
Hopefully , one day , Duster's voices are really going to be heard!
See you on the battlefield! 
" what doesn't kill you makes you stronger! Alright , don't mind me if I shoot you in the face! "
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