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gustavo acosta DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:05:00 - [1] - Quote So I did some calculations and found that the most an active scanner is able to scan is 15DB, this is including the Gallente Logistics bonus. Well today I was using my scout gk.0 with a complex profile dampener and a basic cloak, this allowed my scout's profile to become as low as 5 DB(without active cloak 14DB) , however I was still scanned by an active scanner. I was wondering if the scan and profile values were bugged? Edit:or maybe my calculations are wrong... Now I'm not saying I'm a badass, but once I killed a guy in militia gear. We were both wearing it but still.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:13:00 - [2] - Quote sure you weren't scanned while uncloaked? to get to 14 you have to stack 2 complex damps on that gal scout Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
gustavo acosta DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:15:00 - [3] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: sure you weren't scanned while uncloaked? to get to 14 you have to stack 2 complex damps on that gal scout Well, I was scanned once uncloaked, then later in the match I was scanned while I was cloaked Now I'm not saying I'm a badass, but once I killed a guy in militia gear. We were both wearing it but still.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1189	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:42:00 - [4] - Quote If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak.
gustavo acosta DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:48:00 - [5] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak. How do you calculate then? Now I'm not saying I'm a badass, but once I killed a guy in militia gear. We were both wearing it but still.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 344	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak. How do you calculate then? Deduct each % from whats left, but don't forget to calculate back the stacking penalty. Pretty certain that more than the cloak and 1 comp dampener is need to drop below 15db scanner. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
gustavo acosta DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak. How do you calculate then? Deduct each % from whats left, but don't forget to calculate back the stacking penalty. Pretty certain that more than the cloak and 1 comp dampener is need to drop below 15db scanner. But i'm not stacking anything and also I'm pretty sure the profile dampeners don't say anything about a stacking penalty... Now I'm not saying I'm a badass, but once I killed a guy in militia gear. We were both wearing it but still.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 344	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:32:00 - [8] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak. How do you calculate then? Deduct each % from whats left, but don't forget to calculate back the stacking penalty. Pretty certain that more than the cloak and 1 comp dampener is need to drop below 15db scanner. But i'm not stacking anything and also I'm pretty sure the profile dampeners don't say anything about a stacking penalty... I know they don't say anything about stacking penalties but they do I'm sure. ? How many dampeners do you use and which ones. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2209	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: sure you weren't scanned while uncloaked? to get to 14 you have to stack 2 complex damps on that gal scout Well, I was scanned once uncloaked, then later in the match I was scanned while I was cloaked Edit : Here's my math: 25%gal scout bonus+10% lvl 5 profile damp. bonus+25% complex prof. damp= 60% damp 0.6*35galscoutprofile=21 35-21=14 Bonus isn't additive. 35x.9= 31.5 31.5x.75=23.225 23.625xdampener=17.71 17.71xcloak=13.28 no penalties as there are no modules being stacked. For the Federation!
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 344	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:42:00 - [10] - Quote Bonus isn't additive. 35x.9= 31.5 31.5x.75=23.225 23.625xdampener=17.71 17.71xcloak=13.28 no penalties as there are no modules being stacked.[/quote] Cant guess what these numbers are ... All scouts have a profile size of 45 OK, 45 - 10% (2% per Level)to profile dampening L5 = 40.5 GAL Scout excluded. Gal Scout gets additional 5% per Level 45 - 35%(7%per level) = 29.25 Assuming you only have 1 Comp Dampener thats 29.25 - 25% = 21.93 Now adding your cloak this is 21.93 - 25 % = The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
gustavo acosta DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:01:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: sure you weren't scanned while uncloaked? to get to 14 you have to stack 2 complex damps on that gal scout Well, I was scanned once uncloaked, then later in the match I was scanned while I was cloaked Edit : Here's my math: 25%gal scout bonus+10% lvl 5 profile damp. bonus+25% complex prof. damp= 60% damp 0.635galscoutprofile=21 35-21=14 Bonus isn't additive. 35x.9= 31.5 31.5x.75=23.225 23.625xdampener=17.71 17.71xcloak=13.28 no penalties as there are no modules being stacked. Oh ok, but the issue still remains that I was scanned while my cloak was on and the lowest a scanner can go is 15 DB even with the gal logi bonus at lvl 5... Now I'm not saying I'm a badass,* but once I killed a guy in militia gear. We were both wearing it but still.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1033	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: If you were successfully scanned while cloaked, you may have been scanned while your suit was bugged and not applying skill bonuses. BTW your math is wrong but you still end up with 14dB (13.87 rounded up) using one complex dampener and an activated cloak. How do you calculate then? You multiply the base scan profile times your modifier individually, then add/subtract them from your base. So the math should be: 35 [base profile] - (350.1 [base times your profile dampeneing skill modifier]) - (350.25 [base skill times your suit bonus]) - (35*0.25 [Your base times the complex dampener]) to get 14. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:13:00 - [13] - Quote How do you calculate then? You multiply the base scan profile times your modifier individually, then add/subtract them from your base. So the math should be: 35 [base profile] - (350.1 [base times your profile dampeneing skill modifier]) - (350.25 [base skill times your suit bonus]) - (35*0.25 [Your base times the complex dampener]) to get 14.[/quote] Thank you sir, for this little shiny nugget of info
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1069	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:51:00 - [14] - Quote Recall during the math that CCP/Shanghai has shown in the past that they routinely round-down for new values and they do it at every step in the equation. A = B * .66; A will be less than is shown on a typical calculator. This is a common Microsoft math library solution while it is legal is only defaulted to by MS and their users. Once learned however many will continue to use it. In the case of whether it will short the benefit to a Dust Merc then why would CCP do otherwise? SP is not refunded and decisions have consequences. Even if the information about the question was unknown or changed after the fact. Such is life in New Eden. Welcome to Dust. And so it goes.

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