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Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 276	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:19:00 - [1] - Quote You all know who you are. You where the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You where the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You where the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 1294	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:23:00 - [2] - Quote It's not like scanners are terrible now...they're still pretty useful in a squad. The Metalhead Mercenary
Spaceman-Rob Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 390	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:23:00 - [3] - Quote Amen to that brother!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5348	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:24:00 - [4] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: It's not like scanners are terrible now...they're still pretty useful in a squad. Albeit the scan angle could use a little bit of a boost... 60 degrees ain't much when you can only point it in one direction. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Regnier Feros Immortal Guides 49	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:25:00 - [5] - Quote As a sentinel I approve of this message. I serve Queen Dabomb Original Royal Guard Weapon Of Choice: MH-82 HMG *Current Goal:Destroy Adonis's Tank
Paul Peacemaker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 37	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote I can tell you - today is the FIRST time I have used a scan in my whole life, and I've been playing the game for a few months. So, I have never used it pre-patch and I hated all the scan ballerinas. I hated their freaking smug faces as they danced all over the place and kept me permanently scanned. I hate them still... But to the point. After playing around with the scanner, I have to say - I like it the way it is. I mean... I could use a bit of a wider angle, but meh... Maybe it will get patched in a year.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 890	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:25:00 - [7] - Quote I stopped using Scanners to train myself not to rely on them. Some people just don't get it. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1480	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You where the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You where the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I was running assault with a laser .....sigh You were running combat rifle ....lol. try running the Plasma cannon or the laser then get back to me. and agreed on being tired of scan514 Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Nomed Deeps 288	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:28:00 - [9] - Quote That's why you see alot more vehicle scanners now. Kind of illogical CCP nerfed equipment Scanners but did nothing (noticeable if at all) to Scanner modules for vehicles. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 330	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote Haha very true. I stopped using it when I realized how obviously OP it was. Now I like it though... It's in a good place. I find myself scanning people who I know are there just so I know which way they are looking.

KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 627	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:38:00 - [11] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: That's why you see alot more vehicle scanners now. Kind of illogical CCP nerfed equipment Scanners but did nothing (noticeable if at all) to Scanner modules for vehicles. This... Tech Guard Recruiting Video
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 280	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:49:00 - [12] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: It's not like scanners are terrible now...they're still pretty useful in a squad. True. But they can't lock down an area out to 100m with 360 scans like they used to. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 661	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:03:00 - [13] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You where the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You where the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right?
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 283	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:56:00 - [14] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6203	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:59:00 - [15] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: That's why you see alot more vehicle scanners now. Kind of illogical CCP nerfed equipment Scanners but did nothing (noticeable if at all) to Scanner modules for vehicles. To be fair, Vehicle Scanners do have a very long cooldown. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1462	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:02:00 - [16] - Quote Gallente Logi's still have near perfect scans.... The only nerf is the delay... So 4-5 seconds? they spend dark maximum... Not only that but when your scanning now your not holding it in your hand while an enemy walks around the corner and laughs at your while he sprays bullets at you. Scanner out.. press trigger.. Done. It's what we wanted for scanning... Specialists at it... Otherwise it be based off Passive Modules/skills and a revamped Tacnet.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 543	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:03:00 - [17] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. You're wrong about not providing intel, if the cal scout sees it, the squad sees it. So you're still permascanned, just half the range now
Toby Flenderson research lab 408	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:04:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Princess Abi-Hime wrote: It's not like scanners are terrible now...they're still pretty useful in a squad. Albeit the scan angle could use a little bit of a boost... 60 degrees ain't much when you can only point it in one direction. I think it encourages multiple scanners or more scanners per squad. I haven't tried using them yet though so I may agree with you later haha. But I am glad 360s are impossible
Toby Flenderson research lab 411	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:17:00 - [19] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. You're wrong about not providing intel, if the cal scout sees it, the squad sees it. So you're still permascanned, just half the range now I'd say the scout suit would be better for some instances. Especially now that they've taken away 360 scans and people going in and out if cloaks randomly. And you can't underestimate how useful the squad sharing is when you have more than one scout.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 310	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:38:00 - [20] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: That's why you see alot more vehicle scanners now. Kind of illogical CCP nerfed equipment Scanners but did nothing (noticeable if at all) to Scanner modules for vehicles. vehicle scan precision is mediocre u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189

Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 122	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:40:00 - [21] - Quote Passive Scan> Other forms of scan
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 176	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:12:00 - [22] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You where the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You where the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I agree with you for the most part but cloaks need a fix. >.> Story of the Merc
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 148	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:24:00 - [23] - Quote Yup. Guilty as charged. I did the twirl and would deliberately sneak to a mess of redberries just to get them all so my squaddies could rip them apart. That was my job. It's harder now. Don't care, will prolly still do it....except now, I can get away :) Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 148	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:25:00 - [24] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the ...blah blah blah.....instant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I agree with you for the most part but cloaks need a fix. >.> nonononono don't touch my precious cloak! I LOVES IT! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Yeeeuuuupppp 193	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:49:00 - [25] - Quote THOSE ASS HATS WILL NEVER SCAN ME AGAIN. CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 177	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:12:00 - [26] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the ...blah blah blah.....instant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I agree with you for the most part but cloaks need a fix. >.> nonononono don't touch my precious cloak! I LOVES IT! Don't be that person.. Story of the Merc
Yeeeuuuupppp 194	Posted - 2014.03.27 01:17:00 - [27] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Seeth Mensch wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the ...blah blah blah.....instant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I agree with you for the most part but cloaks need a fix. >.> nonononono don't touch my precious cloak! I LOVES IT! Don't be that person.. I like the cloaks but uhm... Why are all of the medium frame people so stupid? I can run right in front of them and nothing... only heavies and of course other scouts see me CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:22:00 - [28] - Quote Paul Peacemaker wrote: I can tell you - today is the FIRST time I have used a scan in my whole life, and I've been playing the game for a few months. So, I have never used it pre-patch and I hated all the scan ballerinas. I hated their freaking smug faces as they danced all over the place and kept me permanently scanned. I hate them still... But to the point. After playing around with the scanner, I have to say - I like it the way it is. I mean... I could use a bit of a wider angle, but meh... Maybe it will get patched in a year. Maybe gallente logis could lose scan uptime and instead get 7.5% scan angle width increase / level? Would take a 60 degree scan to 82.5
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:25:00 - [29] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. Actually they do share intel with squad. And 2 cplx range amps is 70 meters with change, with 2 precision amps you have about 17 precision... So they're almost better
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 320	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:28:00 - [30] - Quote i ran stable scanners on a min scout fit so i could provide scans for my squadies and get target intelGÇªits part of my game, and now that scanners are broken, we have cal scouts Scanners need to fill up the whole angle, and need to be more consistent. Sometimes they're fine, othersGÇª.lets just say that the angle is about 5-¦ and doesnt pick up a MLT heavy Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!

Rusty Shallows 1273	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:40:00 - [31] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: i ran stable scanners on a min scout fit so i could provide scans for my squadies and get target intelGÇªits part of my game, and now that scanners are broken, we have cal scouts Scanners need to fill up the whole angle, and need to be more consistent. Sometimes they're fine, othersGÇª.lets just say that the angle is about 5-¦ and doesnt pick up a MLT heavy The original scanners were advertised as snapshot. For 1.8 we were told they were changing snapshot. Looks like the coding is being problematic. I'm happy with the 60 degree angle idea. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 427	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:42:00 - [32] - Quote Man I really want to be a scout. My slow ass logi never even saw this kind of gameplay you're talking about. You people who have an ego trip from proto stomping have a harsh reality waiting in life after you turn off the PS3.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2510	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:48:00 - [33] - Quote Haven't had time to play since the update dropped.... Is it just the cal scout who has squad vision, or all scouts? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Proficiency V. 178	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:12:00 - [34] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Haven't had time to play since the update dropped.... Is it just the cal scout who has squad vision, or all scouts? All from what I heard Story of the Merc
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5390	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:16:00 - [35] - Quote I picked up scanners now. They are super useful. I use them determining how I should approach my enemies since Gallente Weapons are so short ranged. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Cinder Integ Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 146	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:40:00 - [36] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. You're wrong about not providing intel, if the cal scout sees it, the squad sees it. So you're still permascanned, just half the range now This is not true. Tested extensively, dropsuit built in scans do not share info to sqd and/or team. Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 65	Posted - 2014.03.27 05:42:00 - [37] - Quote I stopped using scanners after the Million clone march spent every bit of SP in skills I needed to upgrade but really didn't want to. I'm actually having more fun without the scanner then when i played with it. I don't even know why I bother.
kickin six Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2014.03.27 08:13:00 - [38] - Quote Scanners are very useful. There's still a couple ways to keep the field lit up all the time if necessary. But really, 2 scanners will cover the approach directions. One is all that's needed to approach the target.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5270	Posted - 2014.03.27 08:17:00 - [39] - Quote This is part of the reason they're having so much trouble with the new cloaking as well. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 870	Posted - 2014.03.27 08:52:00 - [40] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Seeth Mensch wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You where the ...blah blah blah.....instant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. I agree with you for the most part but cloaks need a fix. >.> nonononono don't touch my precious cloak! I LOVES IT! Don't be that person.. I like the cloaks but uhm... Why are all of the medium frame people so stupid? I can run right in front of them and nothing... only heavies and of course other scouts see me Heavies have poor passives and therefore good heavies have great situational awareness. Scouts...are scouts lol. The guys that don't see you running right at them were the ones that either spammed scans or made sure to recruit a squad member that would do the spamming for them. I've been noticing quite a few logis using the cloak (bug is giving them a bonus to cloaks currently but that's gonna be hotfixed)which I found to be funny. I surprise this guy and his reaction is to cloak himself, take a few steps back, and then just stand there. He must've really thought I was an idiot or something lol. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!

I-Shayz-I I-----I 2738	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:17:00 - [41] - Quote Yes because a scout with a constant 360 passive scan able to see everyone around him is any different... It's not like I could scan good scouts before 1.8, the only thing cloaks do is make it so I can't see you when I'm looking in your direction. I used to go 40/x with my heavy all the time. Guess what, heavies don't have equipment, or any sort of passive scan. Yet now all of the scouts who can see the enemy are the ones topping the score boards. And don't get me started about tanking scouts with 500 shields -_- Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 50	Posted - 2014.03.27 09:45:00 - [42] - Quote ya know I always took snapshot to mean...well... a snapshot. It takes a shot (or in this case a scan) like a photo. In other words a picture. Again in other words a still frame of where everything and everyone is. there is usefull Intel in just that. like how many enemies there are and how much equipment there is. perhaps they could even tell what type of suits there are in the "photo". again very useful. But it is not like that instead it has not changed much. So maybe instead of calling it a scanner they should call it a personnel marker. after all it marks anything it scans for a certain duration of time. just sayin'... yo description be wrong yo! I am nobody.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 314	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:45:00 - [43] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Yes because a scout with a constant 360 passive scan able to see everyone around him is any different... It's not like I could scan good scouts before 1.8, the only thing cloaks do is make it so I can't see you when I'm looking in your direction. I used to go 40/x with my heavy all the time. Guess what, heavies don't have equipment, or any sort of passive scan. Yet now all of the scouts who can see the enemy are the ones topping the score boards. And don't get me started about tanking scouts with 500 shields -_- A brick tanked cal scout is not a very good scanner. In order to make a cal scout super efficient at scanning, you have to sacrifice almost all of your shield ehp. In order to maximize the cals scouts range your have to sacrafice armor, dampners, card regs or kin cats. Basically you have to make it super squishy. This is very different from just slapping a scanner on any brick tanked suit with an equipment slot. Scanners were not hard to fit on a slayer suit and that was the problem with them and that's why they were abused. Also, as far a squad vision, I have tested it multiply times with corp mates and it does not appear to be working properly. I though they had removed it completely but other players are saying it's still here. It could be another bug and I will keep testing it, but I don't think cal scouts share Intel like scanners do. The fact still remains cal scouts are not as effective as scanners without making a proto Cal scout have about 250 hp. Whereas a logi can have four times the ehp and twice the scanner range. And if someone was dumb enough to put 4 complex precision enhancers on a cal scout, it would still not be as good as a proti focused scanner. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 72	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:48:00 - [44] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You were the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You were the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. You are QQing about stuff that has changed person from Arrogance corp Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 315	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:51:00 - [45] - Quote SPESHULz wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You were the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You were the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. You are QQing about stuff that has changed person from Arrogance corp Actually I am making fun of how bad so many players are now they don't have their 360 scans. Their are tons of players who literally can not play this game without scanner Intel and it is extremely fun to murder them now that they can't constantly scan me. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
TBdaBoss ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:51:00 - [46] - Quote Scanners are still very useful, and its easy to have them down constantly. That said, my Gallente Scout cares nothing for you scanners and does what he wants. [REDACTED]
Yeeeuuuupppp 199	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:53:00 - [47] - Quote TBdaBoss wrote: Scanners are still very useful, and its easy to have them down constantly. That said, my Gallente Scout cares nothing for you scanners and does what he wants. "Scan attempt prevented" CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 315	Posted - 2014.03.27 11:57:00 - [48] - Quote TBdaBoss wrote: Scanners are still very useful, and its easy to have them down constantly. That said, my Gallente Scout cares nothing for you scanners and does what he wants. This is true. Scanners are still good. But with the changes to scout profile, cloaks and the changes to scanners, they are not as effective as they where. And now they are not abused as much as they where. I rarley see "scan attempt prevented" now and even more rare is "you have been scanned." It is a scouts paradise. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Yeeeuuuupppp 199	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:00:00 - [49] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: TBdaBoss wrote: Scanners are still very useful, and its easy to have them down constantly. That said, my Gallente Scout cares nothing for you scanners and does what he wants. This is true. Scanners are still good. But with the changes to scout profile, cloaks and the changes to scanners, they are not as effective as they where. And now they are not abused as much as they where. I rarley see "scan attempt prevented" now and even more rare is "you have been scanned." It is a scouts paradise. I only see "Scan attempt prevented" when there's a derpship or a tank near me..... no infantry scans though.. I can see them but they can't see me CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 925	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:22:00 - [50] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You were the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You were the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You were the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. This is a pretty mean-spirited post. Reminds me of when 1.7 launched and the scrubbier tankers went 'haha, AV players are rubbish! Can't even take out my triple hardened tank!'. You know, good players know when their preferred playstyle is OP and don't flaunt it. Good tankers weren't boasting about their leet skills versus swarms that don't even slow their regen. It's also funny that you're complaining about people who need 'constant intel from scans' when that's what scouts are getting now without even having to pull a scanner out. A ck.0 scout with two complex range amplifiers has pretty much the same range and precision as a duvolle quantum active scanner, but it's 360 degrees and constant, not a 60 degree slice for a few seconds. I'm not QQing, it was immediately obvious to me that the active scanner was dead so I left my logi behind and specced into the gk.0 scout, which I'm having fun with. But people complaining that scanners are pathetic given what scouts can achieve do have a point.

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 926	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:33:00 - [51] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Yes because a scout with a constant 360 passive scan able to see everyone around him is any different... It's not like I could scan good scouts before 1.8, the only thing cloaks do is make it so I can't see you when I'm looking in your direction. I used to go 40/x with my heavy all the time. Guess what, heavies don't have equipment, or any sort of passive scan. Yet now all of the scouts who can see the enemy are the ones topping the score boards. And don't get me started about tanking scouts with 500 shields -_- A brick tanked cal scout is not a very good scanner. In order to make a cal scout super efficient at scanning, you have to sacrifice almost all of your shield ehp. In order to maximize the cals scouts range your have to sacrafice armor, dampners, card regs or kin cats. Basically you have to make it super squishy. This is very different from just slapping a scanner on any brick tanked suit with an equipment slot. Scanners were not hard to fit on a slayer suit and that was the problem with them and that's why they were abused. Also, as far a squad vision, I have tested it multiply times with corp mates and it does not appear to be working properly. I though they had removed it completely but other players are saying it's still here. It could be another bug and I will keep testing it, but I don't think cal scouts share Intel like scanners do. The fact still remains cal scouts are not as effective as scanners without making a proto Cal scout have about 250 hp. Whereas a logi can have four times the ehp and twice the scanner range. And if someone was dumb enough to put 4 complex precision enhancers on a cal scout, it would still not be as good as a proti focused scanner. You make some decent points here. Briefly: Even a level 5 cal scout with zero amplifiers or precision enhancers has pretty impressive scanning. They see everything within about 35metres. Even if you carry four scanners on your gal logi (!) it is impossible to achieve that level of coverage. Sure, the range is relatively short, but for most scouts 35 metres is beyond engagement range anyway. And they can still stack 800hp, have low profile, high movement speed, etc. And on the other point you make, I think passive scanning is still buggy. I still have tanks roll up on me and they don't show (this is in a gal scout). So I can well believe that squad vision isn't working as intended.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1224	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:37:00 - [52] - Quote 4 scanners on a gallente suit?? Plasma Cannon Advocate Heavy event survivor
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 926	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:38:00 - [53] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: 4 scanners on a gallente suit?? That's what you need if you want to approach 1.7 levels of active scanning. Not that I'd recommend it...
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 317	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:49:00 - [54] - Quote A level 5 brick tanked cal scout only has a precision of about 27 and only a range of about 45 meters. It is very easy for any scout to get under 27 with a damp or cloak or booth. Also, a gal scout with two damps can not be seen by a cal scout with 4 precision. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 928	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:00:00 - [55] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: A level 5 brick tanked cal scout only has a precision of about 27 and only a range of about 45 meters. It is very easy for any scout to get under 27 with a damp or cloak or booth. Also, a gal scout with two damps can not be seen by a cal scout with 4 precision. This is all true but the precision of every active scanner except the proto focused is even worse, and even that isn't going to pick up a dampened gal scout.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2742	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: 4 scanners on a gallente suit?? That's what you need if you want to approach 1.7 levels of active scanning. Not that I'd recommend it... Actually try the proto flux. It's medium cooldown, excellent range, and huge scan area makes it the best scanner out there right now. Links: 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! I make logistics videos!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2247	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:35:00 - [57] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: You all know who you are. You were the dbags that couldn't play a match without scanning the instant your cool down was over. You were the dbags who made "you have been scanned" get burned into my tv screen. You were the one's that had zero situational awareness and always relied on scanners for kills. Now you are the ones dying to scouts constantly. And now you are the ones screaming "scouts/cloaks are op" and crying since your ez mode is gone. Quit the QQ. Admit you are a bad player who needed constant Intel from scans just to compete. Adapt or die bitches. awww.....he thinks he will be better then proto stompers because they don't have scanners....how cute.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 362	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:36:00 - [58] - Quote It's burned into my eyes.. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 548	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:05:00 - [59] - Quote Cinder Integ wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: You realize that most of them have probably jumped on the Caldari Scout train by now, right? Doubtful. The Cal Scout is nothing like the scanner spamming problem. A decent Cal scout fit, 1 precision and 1 range amp can only scan less than half the range on a scanner. Also cal scouts can't share Intel with squad like scanners and they can't wp ***** with Intel kill assists. And there are still plenty of dampened suits you can't pick up without using several precision enhancers and having no ehp. Most importantly, most of the players who abused scanners before did it cause they could have a 900hp logi suit and it was easy. A proper scout, not brick tanked, is made out of glass and it is not easy. Thus I don't think as many have transitioned to Cal scout as you think. You're wrong about not providing intel, if the cal scout sees it, the squad sees it. So you're still permascanned, just half the range now This is not true. Tested extensively, dropsuit built in scans do not share info to sqd and/or team. Your dropsuits broken then.. try again.
elric the enchanter xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 357	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:50:00 - [60] - Quote I record & upload for fellow corp/squad mates to watch back, but I admit I became the corp's dedicated scannerina by default & most of my editing time was taken up removing the boring 360 twirls! Used them before we got WP for them and I guess friends got used to relying on me to counter the ever-present 'you have been scanned' from the opposition. Hated scanning itself as yes, it felt like a 'wall-hack' but it did become an addiction. A few days into 1.8, and having almost completed my rehabilitation, I've not even tried the scanner again yet on my logi and have no pressing desire to - might well have to eventually, depending on the match/situation, but am enjoying returning to situational awareness again. Cosmic Void Minister of Silly Weapons Heinz Guderian predicted Tank514

Yan Darn Science For Death 414	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:54:00 - [61] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: That's why you see alot more vehicle scanners now. Kind of illogical CCP nerfed equipment Scanners but did nothing (noticeable if at all) to Scanner modules for vehicles. It it wasn't for other 'vehicle balance issues' - they would be great as a primary source of recon (recon variants). At the moment they just add to QQ. The Ghost of Bravo
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2017	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:57:00 - [62] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: It's not like scanners are terrible now...they're still pretty useful in a squad. Agreed. I tried them out today and noticed the angle isn't what it should be on the radar. Is this intentional or just a visual bug? Liking the scanner functionalities now, though.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1204	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:01:00 - [63] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: 4 scanners on a gallente suit?? That's what you need if you want to approach 1.7 levels of active scanning. Not that I'd recommend it... Actually try the proto flux. It's medium cooldown, excellent range, and huge scan area makes it the best scanner out there right now. This is what Gal Logis should be doing - running two or three Creodron Flux scanners and hanging in the back behind everyone, to scan the objective out to 200m at 90* scan angle. Won't matter to my scouts though as they always go dampened to under 21dB when their cloak is active, and even without cloak on my Gal scouts.
GetShotUp Arrogance. 349	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:26:00 - [64] - Quote lol Someone has to be the bad guy


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