DUST Search - Convince me to go caldari scout

Bones McGavins wrote:

I've been debating this since the scout stats were released months ago. I used to be able to make a string case for both sides but unless the game changes a bit in the next few weeks I can't see a good reason to go caldari.

Caldari has the percision which would be nice if there was anything but heavies and gallante scouts on the field. Really the only use for caldari percision is to hunt other scouts. However any snart gallante scout will have tiers if stealth builds to choose from and will quickly notice the caldari scout that seems to be tracking him and move to a lower profile build, sacrifice some speed or tank to do so.

But basically I can't see the caldari tracking gallante at all in higher skilled play. Maybe a couple of kills but soon the gallante will go under the caldari. So with that being inevitable, what does the percision offer? Tracking other caldari, min and amarr scouts? But they are rare.

I'd love to counter the ****** scout craze going on right now but with it being soneasy for gallante to ensure complete radarlessness it seems like the smarter choice is to just go gallante.

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Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 621	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:22:00 - [1] - Quote I've been debating this since the scout stats were released months ago. I used to be able to make a string case for both sides but unless the game changes a bit in the next few weeks I can't see a good reason to go caldari. Caldari has the percision which would be nice if there was anything but heavies and gallante scouts on the field. Really the only use for caldari percision is to hunt other scouts. However any snart gallante scout will have tiers if stealth builds to choose from and will quickly notice the caldari scout that seems to be tracking him and move to a lower profile build, sacrifice some speed or tank to do so. But basically I can't see the caldari tracking gallante at all in higher skilled play. Maybe a couple of kills but soon the gallante will go under the caldari. So with that being inevitable, what does the percision offer? Tracking other caldari, min and amarr scouts? But they are rare. I'd love to counter the ****** scout craze going on right now but with it being soneasy for gallante to ensure complete radarlessness it seems like the smarter choice is to just go gallante.
VAHZZ Gallente Federation 432	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:22:00 - [2] - Quote Because i friggin said so. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! - and trolling ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Rusty Shallows 1259	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:28:00 - [3] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: convince me to go caldari scout As I was downloading 1.8 the very first thread read was about how a squad of them was pretending to be Slayer-Assaults that can cloak. Running around in bricked fits. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. BwaHahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 142	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:28:00 - [4] - Quote Doesn't caldari get a bonus to radius as well? That seems to me to be the better of the two bonuses. And forcing your opponent to drop at least 85 HP of armor to add a damp doesn't seem all that bad.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2117	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:29:00 - [5] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Because i friggin said so. I support this message because it is the most solid reason to do things. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 621	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:32:00 - [6] - Quote Both get the range. And yeah forcing them to drop armor or speed is nice, but is it worth needing to shed a good amount of health myself? The gallante who sneaks under the caldari scan has a big hp adv over said caldari
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1009	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:36:00 - [7] - Quote You can give intel to your team, regardless if a lone suit can get under the radar. Perhaps that needs fixing. In any case, you can easily see everyone else not in a scout suit. A complex damp and range amp will have you under 25db which means only a bonused scanner can pick you up, and you'll see everyone out to 54m, which is a lot of warning for potential threats. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1636	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:47:00 - [8] - Quote no. convince yourself. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
VAHZZ Gallente Federation 435	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:48:00 - [9] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: no. convince yourself. Nice try twinkle toes.. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! - and trolling ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 864	Posted - 2014.03.26 05:50:00 - [10] - Quote You say that a dampened Gal Scout can get under your scan at the expense of tank. Add a Precision Enhancement thingy to your Cal Scout without giving up any tank. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone

Rush Inamras PiZzA DuDeS 46	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:05:00 - [11] - Quote I've been having the same issue...I WANT a Cal as they look really badass and I would like to be able to scan sometimes.. But the advantage really seems to got to gallente scouts (AS ALWAYS) ...so I also wanna go gal..but..their suits dont look anywhere near as cool , specially on proto levels
Callidus Vanus Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 248	Posted - 2014.03.26 06:07:00 - [12] - Quote You can see EVERYTHING! Also it looks cool. Closed beta bunny, Veteran of Caldari Prime.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 70	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:40:00 - [13] - Quote you can get scout cko at lvl 3 at the moment cause they done screwed up> So basicaly try at half price (ako as well) and pay rest of the sp later maybe. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1453	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:08:00 - [14] - Quote Gallente scout is better. imo.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4613	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:18:00 - [15] - Quote Train up your Precision skills, and fit one Precision Enhancer. Now any GalScout who wants to hide from you has to sacrifice enough to leave you with the advantage in those instances where you manage to see them coming in spite of stealth. Now all you need to do is open your eyes. Watch the places which you - as a Scout - would approach enemies and expect to remain unseen. Whenever those GalScouts show up in the places only another Scout would think to look, you're watching, and their attempt at stealth means you have the advantage when you see them coming first.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1377	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:19:00 - [16] - Quote Don't go Caldari scout. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Mar. 22nd
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 269	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:29:00 - [17] - Quote because of cloak as a fully invested gal scout that now runs dual complex precision I can still see all these wannabe scouts even while cloaked they think their awesome and stealthy with their cool new toys but they fail if you have your precision and range at max potential like a cal scout should all the little cloaked people will have a bright red chevron above their heads happy hunting Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 309	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:43:00 - [18] - Quote I'm running double precision with max skills on my Caldari Scout ck.0 and some cloaked GalScouts are getting under my radar. Just a FYI, I like what the Caldari scout brings and wouldn't want it changed for the world. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Patrlck 56 369	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:48:00 - [19] - Quote Go Caldari Scout. Are you convinced? Best hatemail
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:50:00 - [20] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: I've been debating this since the scout stats were released months ago. I used to be able to make a string case for both sides but unless the game changes a bit in the next few weeks I can't see a good reason to go caldari. Caldari has the percision which would be nice if there was anything but heavies and gallante scouts on the field. Really the only use for caldari percision is to hunt other scouts. However any snart gallante scout will have tiers if stealth builds to choose from and will quickly notice the caldari scout that seems to be tracking him and move to a lower profile build, sacrifice some speed or tank to do so. But basically I can't see the caldari tracking gallante at all in higher skilled play. Maybe a couple of kills but soon the gallante will go under the caldari. So with that being inevitable, what does the percision offer? Tracking other caldari, min and amarr scouts? But they are rare. I'd love to counter the ****** scout craze going on right now but with it being soneasy for gallante to ensure complete radarlessness it seems like the smarter choice is to just go gallante. The cal scout is able to scan anyone except the gal scout thats quite a lot and even the gal scout will need some dampening to safely go under the cal scouts radar. This is pretty good. Apart from that 50HP/s coupled with great values for recharge delay and depleted delay is awesome

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 438	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote Get both =ƒÿ£ War never changes
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 621	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:29:00 - [22] - Quote I have max for all ewar as I ran gallante scout in 1.7. My main concern is the only thing a caldari can scan that a gallante can't is other scouts, gallante in particular. The main concern is all it takes is one damp and a cloak and the gallante is unscannable. And that leaves a lot of tank for them. Meanwhile if caldari has two percision and some range, you have almost no tank (especilly at adv which I play) especilly if I also want my own damp. Gallante has the flexibility to go dual ewar and scan most and hide from all with even greater range And some decent tank. Or go full damp with plenty of tank, or just speed or just tank. The battle will dictate which build you use.menwhile I feel that caldari had to sacrifice almost all tank and speed to get a decent scan going which can still be countered easily I WANT to go caldari but once the wannabe scouts move on, I don see cldari picking up many scans the gallante will miss...ill run some protofit builds to see how squishy the ewar caldari is compared to the same gallante Tht 100 range is appealing too...
thecoolest guy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 9	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:09:00 - [23] - Quote You can still have a decent amount of tank as a cal scout. There's always a trade-off. If you stack shield extenders instead of precision enhancement you can get around 450 shields which is pretty badass coupled with the 3/4 second shield regen times and 50hp/s regen. It excels at flanking and hit and runs. If you keep situational awareness the only thing that will get under your radar is another dampened scout who is giving up slots in order to hide from you. It only takes 1 complex precision enhancer to force other scouts to dampen. Most people are running around with + armor % weapons so you have a slight advantage in stacking shields. I've survived numerous HMG encounters where I was able to get away whereas my gal scout would have been mowed down. There are also numerous ways to fit it in order to gain situational advantage. Personally, I went both because I really wanted to skill into caldari but after playing gal scout in 1.7 I knew it was going to be hard giving up all those low slots. I find myself playing with the cal scout more - but if there are alot of other cal scouts in a match I typically switch over to my gal scout. On city maps I switch between the two depending on my mood. For dom/skirm I typically use a gal scout as a runner/hacker and if I get bored switch over to RR scout. Range maps I use the cal scout with RR. It's only been 1 day and it took some adjustment time to work-out fits to match different my different playstyles but I don't think you would be unhappy with either decision.
DJINN Stephani 214	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:27:00 - [24] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: because of cloak as a fully invested gal scout that now runs dual complex precision I can still see all these wannabe scouts even while cloaked they think their awesome and stealthy with their cool new toys but they fail if you have your precision and range at max potential like a cal scout should all the little cloaked people will have a bright red chevron above their heads happy hunting If this is true, then you just convinced me. RIP MAG :(
Lucrezia LeGrand 379	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:31:00 - [25] - Quote DJINN Stephani wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: because of cloak as a fully invested gal scout that now runs dual complex precision I can still see all these wannabe scouts even while cloaked they think their awesome and stealthy with their cool new toys but they fail if you have your precision and range at max potential like a cal scout should all the little cloaked people will have a bright red chevron above their heads happy hunting If this is true, then you just convinced me. really? as if they were scanned and not just on the radar? Wow, that would convince me in a heart beat! You should go Cal Scout (and then tell us if it's true). Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 918	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:43:00 - [26] - Quote It's true.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3684	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:54:00 - [27] - Quote Because it has 4 highs and it's a scout. Do you realise what that means? No.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 141	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:56:00 - [28] - Quote if i use 3 complex damps on my std amarr scout with a cloak what will the cal scout need to see me on the tacnet? Disney 514
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 155	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:00:00 - [29] - Quote Why would I try to convince you to do this? Caldari scout gets pwned and t-bagged by the Gal scout, no question. It can also be setup to run frontline very well, and it can do this much more successfully than the Cal scout, what with its built-in armor repping and abundance of low slots and all. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1883	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:30:00 - [30] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: I've been debating this since the scout stats were released months ago. I used to be able to make a string case for both sides but unless the game changes a bit in the next few weeks I can't see a good reason to go caldari. Caldari has the percision which would be nice if there was anything but heavies and gallante scouts on the field. Really the only use for caldari percision is to hunt other scouts. However any snart gallante scout will have tiers if stealth builds to choose from and will quickly notice the caldari scout that seems to be tracking him and move to a lower profile build, sacrifice some speed or tank to do so. But basically I can't see the caldari tracking gallante at all in higher skilled play. Maybe a couple of kills but soon the gallante will go under the caldari. So with that being inevitable, what does the percision offer? Tracking other caldari, min and amarr scouts? But they are rare. I'd love to counter the ****** scout craze going on right now but with it being soneasy for gallante to ensure complete radarlessness it seems like the smarter choice is to just go gallante. Since the Minny scout has been obsoleted by it's PG issues i've been struggling with the same decision myself - the only answer i've been able to come up with is get them all(except for the filthy Amarr, ofc, but it is still tempting). To CCP's credit, each suit does have a valuable role. Sorry, not much help =P But prolly the first suit, and the most flexible, would be the galscout. Biggest variable there would be if you typically run solo or squadded. For solo i'd go GScout, for squadded i'd go CScout. I support SP rollover.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1392	Posted - 2014.03.26 16:39:00 - [31] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: Doesn't caldari get a bonus to radius as well? That seems to me to be the better of the two bonuses. And forcing your opponent to drop at least 85 HP of armor to add a damp doesn't seem all that bad. that's the real benefit. when I come up against gall scouts I know I need a precision amplifier. when i'm up against cal scouts I know I need a damp.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 621	Posted - 2014.03.26 23:18:00 - [32] - Quote I've made my choice. Caldari level 5, gallante level 3. Adv gallante with double damp or damp/cloak(good luck fitting cloak at level 3) will get under double percision caldari and only be caught by pro focused scans. I'm not sure if 1 damp beats 1 percision or 0 beats 0 those depend on rounding. But this way I can still use my dragonfly and adv gallante and guarantee scan safety (practically) if need be but only investing like 700k in that. And can rock full on caldari for dat scan.


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