DUST Search - laser is still mediocre in 1.8

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Appia Vibbia wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Derek Barnes wrote:

So far I went 20-0 in a match with the viziam laser. Im using the Commando ak.0 which gives me 10% damage increase with the laser.

I had a single good game with a Viziam when the otherside were randoms
But versus known Corporations I had better results with a massdriver or a shotgun or remotes.

This pretty much describes success with the LR. I actually feel like the laser got worse. Still out ranged by Rail Rifle. Did the Laser Rifle changes get implemented?
Because if they did, they must of increased base damage and reduced damage build up at the same time. Or, they never changed it at all.

before the laser optimal was too small but at least the damage was a dependable amount

now it feels like the base damage was increased but the RAMPUP damage is much lower

looks like better laser range was traded for lower total damage delivered.

laser feels worse than it was in 1.7.........sigh.

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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 253	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:45:00 - [31] - Quote I ran the laser yesterday and went 14/9/1 using the ELM-7 with 2 enhanced dmg mods, an ION pistol, all on an adv scout suit. I was even beating RR users, as well as snipers and other laser rifle users. I've got proficiency 3 in it currently. If you look at the stats the weapon dmg has increased per tier now. Don't burst fire it either since that resets its dmg back, just hold the trigger until you get close to overheating.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 255	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:59:00 - [32] - Quote I am patiently waiting for Destiny
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3688	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:07:00 - [33] - Quote The sensitivity and aim-assist are the biggest problems I've come across. The ADS has the sensitivity of 1.7, despite having been given much greater zoom. So your aim just swings wildly about. Meanwhile the RR's aim-assist works at range but the Laser's doesn't. I find myself having to strafe aim even at 0 sensitivity. No.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1485	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:09:00 - [34] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I ran the laser yesterday and went 14/9/1 using the ELM-7 with 2 enhanced dmg mods, an ION pistol, all on an adv scout suit. I was even beating RR users, as well as snipers and other laser rifle users. I've got proficiency 3 in it currently. If you look at the stats the weapon dmg has increased per tier now. Don't burst fire it either since that resets its dmg back, just hold the trigger until you get close to overheating. but if you have to run damage modules with a laser that has proficiency it just points out that its still UP. oh well either its fixed sooner or later or the PS4 migration will fix the problem . Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1485	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:11:00 - [35] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The sensitivity and aim-assist are the biggest problems I've come across. The ADS has the sensitivity of 1.7, despite having been given much greater zoom. So your aim just swings wildly about. Meanwhile the RR's aim-assist works at range but the Laser's doesn't. I find myself having to strafe aim even at 0 sensitivity. those were my results also ......sigh Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1762	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:16:00 - [36] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: So far I went 20-0 in a match with the viziam laser. Im using the Commando ak.0 which gives me 10% damage increase with the laser. I had a single good game with a Viziam when the otherside were randoms But versus known Corporations I had better results with a massdriver or a shotgun or remotes. This pretty much describes success with the LR. I actually feel like the laser got worse. Still out ranged by Rail Rifle. Did the Laser Rifle changes get implemented? Because if they did, they must of increased base damage and reduced damage build up at the same time. Or, they never changed it at all. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1486	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:22:00 - [37] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: So far I went 20-0 in a match with the viziam laser. Im using the Commando ak.0 which gives me 10% damage increase with the laser. I had a single good game with a Viziam when the otherside were randoms But versus known Corporations I had better results with a massdriver or a shotgun or remotes. This pretty much describes success with the LR. I actually feel like the laser got worse. Still out ranged by Rail Rifle. Did the Laser Rifle changes get implemented? Because if they did, they must of increased base damage and reduced damage build up at the same time. Or, they never changed it at all. before the laser optimal was too small but at least the damage was a dependable amount now it feels like the base damage was increased but the RAMPUP damage is much lower looks like better laser range was traded for lower total damage delivered. laser feels worse than it was in 1.7.........sigh. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:32:00 - [38] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Greasepalms wrote: Maybe your just not good with it......... or the bonuses dont work... Or the laser rifle does really suck which is why you see your typical deaths in a match being RaiGun > Combat Rifle > HMG/Shotgun/AR And while I'm pretty sure I am taking facts out of my **** like dollar bills, you'll probably die from a laser less often as you would from Nova Knife stealth users and SMG proto scouts in cloaks. Yes a laser gun exists in the game but it doesn't mean it's "useful" to use. It's like asking which would you use: basic, logistic or assault suit? Most players would do either basic or logi. There's obvious interest now in the Caldari and Min Assaults but it's still really between one or the other once skill points are accounted for.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 623	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:07:00 - [39] - Quote So a big part of the problem with the laser is that it is only viable on one suit, same with the scrambler rifle. Sure they can be decent weapons, on one suit. The only way these weapons even come close to competing is on one suit. The only way you can justify the ridiculously high fittings requirements is if you use one suit. Yep, great weapons if you use one suit. (no the amarr commando is not very good, trust me. It overheats like crazy) While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1972	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:12:00 - [40] - Quote When you tested it were you running alone or in a squad? My first game yesterday was on an alt I had trained into lasers, went out with level 5 in amarr assault (adv suit) with an ELM and got roflstomped. Later in a squad on my main, using a templar laser with next to no skills in it, I did pretty decent with it. Mostly assists, but a few kills too. Blew the shields right off people like a puff of steam.

Skihids Bullet Cluster 3141	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:15:00 - [41] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I have maxed laser proficiency so I try a laser on an amarr assault suit and went 0 and 5. Tried several games with very poor results before saying ELM I choose you!! in the hopes of much better performance. Results were a bit better 3 and 5. Then I said Viziam! I choose you and tested for several games and results were mediocre?? Really? all these MONTHS waiting for a fix and the laser is still MEDIOCRE. Then I got a militia Caldari Assault with an EXO and went 10 and 3, 11 and 4, 14 and 3, Not good results but much BETTER than the mediocre laser. Really CCP you better have a magic super rabbit in a hat for Fanfest. Sorry but it looks like its Infamous PS4 and other PS4 games in June. P.S.: and a 20% reduction to squishy heavies health??? TERRIBLE "idea" Talk to the sig. CCP. TL, DR: Lasers SUCK Massdrivers are better. A 20% reduction to heavies health is a Homer Simpson. I hear the siren call of PS4 games in June/July. A 3:1 KDR is "Not good"? The average is 1:1. Is this Lake Woebegone where everyone has to be above average to be good?
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1228	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:20:00 - [42] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: So far I went 20-0 in a match with the viziam laser. Im using the Commando ak.0 which gives me 10% damage increase with the laser. I had a single good game with a Viziam when the otherside were randoms But versus known Corporations I had better results with a massdriver or a shotgun or remotes. This pretty much describes success with the LR. I actually feel like the laser got worse. Still out ranged by Rail Rifle. Did the Laser Rifle changes get implemented? Because if they did, they must of increased base damage and reduced damage build up at the same time. Or, they never changed it at all. before the laser optimal was too small but at least the damage was a dependable amount now it feels like the base damage was increased but the RAMPUP damage is much lower looks like better laser range was traded for lower total damage delivered. laser feels worse than it was in 1.7.........sigh. G Torq and I done a followup analysis on laser in 1.8, not to mention I spoke to some CCP peeps. Basically the heat how it is now is correct, the patch notes were incorrect. The amarr assault is bugged but that's different. The laser has faster ramp up damage than before, it used to be 0.8 extra per shot but it's now 0.91, 0.94 and 1.04 for std adv and proto. Not to mention base damage is higher too on adv and proto. tldr; the laser is much stronger than before, about 20% for standard laser compared to 1.7. The optimal ranges, well just check my signature :) it's insane but shhhhh. DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 254	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:29:00 - [43] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I ran the laser yesterday and went 14/9/1 using the ELM-7 with 2 enhanced dmg mods, an ION pistol, all on an adv scout suit. I was even beating RR users, as well as snipers and other laser rifle users. I've got proficiency 3 in it currently. If you look at the stats the weapon dmg has increased per tier now. Don't burst fire it either since that resets its dmg back, just hold the trigger until you get close to overheating. but if you have to run damage modules with a laser that has proficiency it just points out that its still UP. oh well either its fixed sooner or later or the PS4 migration will fix the problem . The dmg mods are only there to make up for the lack of armor dmg it does, it easily destroysshields without dmg mods or proficiency. I will say aim assist could be better on it, since its difficult to track some moving targets.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 278	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:35:00 - [44] - Quote I put a burnstalk on a gal scout yesterday with no SP invested I got plenty of kills around 30+ after 3 matches I think your problem is your ADS sensitivity, I had to drop mine almost to zero (made a huge difference) Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Rusty Shallows 1266	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:21:00 - [45] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: So far I went 20-0 in a match with the viziam laser. Im using the Commando ak.0 which gives me 10% damage increase with the laser. I was kind-of thinking about speccing into that fit. Maybe not the ak.0 for cost reasons. I'm a relapsing try-hard. It sucks. *wishes more people would post about using the Amar Commando and Laser Rifles* Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:24:00 - [46] - Quote and yet i regularly pull 36/0 sighs this i dont understand but in short the amar assault is glitched soon to be hotfixed by ccp it is not receiving the heat reduction bonus...wait till hot fix will be great but as for your currently going0/5 i dunno what to say post 1.8 for me look like this 22/0 21/0 32/1 36/0 56/3 58/0 just off top of my head some of the scores ive pulled with lr as of 1.8 A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:25:00 - [47] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: I put a burnstalk on a gal scout yesterday with no SP invested I got plenty of kills around 30+ after 3 matches I think your problem is your ADS sensitivity, I had to drop mine almost to zero (made a huge difference) wow 0/0 is way low i run 35/35 and 50/50 :p A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1475	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:29:00 - [48] - Quote Laser is good.. It's just spent to much time away from being viable in DUST. We have new sockets, maps and even modes where it never really played a competitive role. People are just starting to try it out and figure out how to use it and what kind of positional advancements they can make on the battlefield with it. I can see it becoming viable in the coming weeks. It always did take a player that liked a certain playstyle to make it truly shine... Even in the Hayday's. CSR, Espeon.. etc.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:37:00 - [49] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: G Torq and I done a followup analysis on laser in 1.8, not to mention I spoke to some CCP peeps. Basically the heat how it is now is correct, the patch notes were incorrect. The amarr assault is bugged but that's different. The laser has faster ramp up damage than before, it used to be 0.8 extra per shot but it's now 0.91, 0.94 and 1.04 for std adv and proto. Not to mention base damage is higher too on adv and proto. tldr; the laser is much stronger than before, about 20% for standard laser compared to 1.7. The optimal ranges, well just check my signature :) it's insane but shhhhh. There is a cap on damage though right? The SKE has an attribute labeled "m_BeamInfo.m_fMaxBeamDamage" that is set to 450 on all versions of the LR. So how does that fit into the formula? Best PvE idea ever!
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 238	Posted - 2014.03.26 21:48:00 - [50] - Quote Buddy you just suck with the laser lol, been melting people's faces off all day today. I wouldn't be surprised to see you indoors trying to spam the laser at less than 20m lol. It's a gun all about patience and strategy not this run and gun crap. Choose your position carefully and stay behind friendly blueberries and squadmates to use them as cover and interference. Laser isn't the kind of gun where you can just pick it up and automatically be good at it if you want that then use one of the other racial rifles. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle.

Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1453	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:05:00 - [51] - Quote Echoist wrote: Buddy you just suck with the laser lol, been melting people's faces off all day today. I wouldn't be surprised to see you indoors trying to spam the laser at less than 20m lol. It's a gun all about patience and strategy not this run and gun crap. Choose your position carefully and stay behind friendly blueberries and squadmates to use them as cover and interference. Laser isn't the kind of gun where you can just pick it up and automatically be good at it if you want that then use one of the other racial rifles. i imagine there is an adjustment factor lr is a hardcore tactical rifle..the reason i am pulling such high scores with perfection is simple...i never stopped using laser rifle as my primary weapon from chromosome. it has always been and will always be my number 1 light rifle no matter what becomes of it A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Rusty Shallows 1268	Posted - 2014.03.26 22:08:00 - [52] - Quote Echoist wrote: STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. What could possibly we wrong with that? My HMG is named Cassandra. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>


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