DUST Search - Cloaks have ruined the game..?

Cotsy8 wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Cotsy8 wrote:

poison Diego wrote:

This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad...

Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins)

I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!!

EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT

SCOUTS DO NOT NEED A CLOAK - 100% agree

Cloaks are stupid, no reason to have them in game. They are a negative, not a positive. Get rid of cloaks.

Cloaks might possibly ruin the game more than all these impossible to kill 1400 eHP Proto sentinels. I can see fatties being UP x10, but in limited numbers they can work. Problem is there will be 8-10 per battles, which won't work.

Only people who will complain about cloaks are bad players
Keep that in mind

Quiet the opposite, its scrubs who need to use cloaks.

What a joke cloaks are, there's no reason to need them, just unskilled ***** scouts complaining their eHP too low because they don't bother to flank or learn tactics. Now scouts don't need to flank or bother playing a stealth role. Fit a cloak, head to frontline, then it on and stand still and wait. That's not a tactic, thats a joke

Scouts who need a cloak to be competitive or viable, should love cloaks because they are terrible players. Scouts don't need a cloak to be good, you just need more skill and experience (and apparently SP in dust).

Cloaks are a crutch that middle of the road to bad players need to use a scout, while it'll just help the lesser skilled elite... And the scouts who know how to play (and dominated prior to 1.8) will continue too but not cause of the cloak.

Get rid of the crutch, scouts don't need it and anyone who thinks they do can go to another class.

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Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1941	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:53:00 - [31] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: It is not broken, you have to be smart to use it cause if your target sees you he can destroy you cause You have very low hp. Also remember that it takes a lot of cpu pg (even with the reduction) Except it is entirely possible to fit a Gal scout for example to have 230ish shields 750ish armour a proto weapon and a proto cloak. I have seen this fit several times already today. Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 177	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:05:00 - [32] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: It is not broken, you have to be smart to use it cause if your target sees you he can destroy you cause You have very low hp. Also remember that it takes a lot of cpu pg (even with the reduction) My commando with cloak doesn't have very low hp... But yes going invis in the middle of a 1v1 firefight is suicide unless the other person is flat out useless, lol.
Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 238	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:06:00 - [33] - Quote Qq already play something else Hit me with your nerf bat.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2216	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:08:00 - [34] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: You are in the Middle of a fight and he is able to switch to his equipment, activate it, disapper and run away (and you can Still see him)... Apparently it is you the one that doesn't have gungame For real, bring out a cloak and turning it on doesn't even get rid of the red crosshairs. You can also still hit them. I would never turn on my cloak in the middle of a fire fight that would get me killed.
Krad Gunnerson The Jita Martyr's Brigade 6	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:09:00 - [35] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: pagl1u M wrote: It is not broken, you have to be smart to use it cause if your target sees you he can destroy you cause You have very low hp. Also remember that it takes a lot of cpu pg (even with the reduction) My commando with cloak doesn't have very low hp... But yes going invis in the middle of a 1v1 firefight is suicide unless the other person is flat out useless, lol. There are a lot of flat out useless people out there....
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 86	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 - [36] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT SCOUTS DO NOT NEED A CLOAK - 100% agree Cloaks are stupid, no reason to have them in game. They are a negative, not a positive. Get rid of cloaks. Cloaks might possibly ruin the game more than all these impossible to kill 1400 eHP Proto sentinels. I can see fatties being UP x10, but in limited numbers they can work. Problem is there will be 8-10 per battles, which won't work. Only people who will complain about cloaks are bad players Keep that in mind Quiet the opposite, its scrubs who need to use cloaks. What a joke cloaks are, there's no reason to need them, just unskilled ***** scouts complaining their eHP too low because they don't bother to flank or learn tactics. Now scouts don't need to flank or bother playing a stealth role. Fit a cloak, head to frontline, then it on and stand still and wait. That's not a tactic, thats a joke Scouts who need a cloak to be competitive or viable, should love cloaks because they are terrible players. Scouts don't need a cloak to be good, you just need more skill and experience (and apparently SP in dust). Cloaks are a crutch that middle of the road to bad players need to use a scout, while it'll just help the lesser skilled elite... And the scouts who know how to play (and dominated prior to 1.8) will continue too but not cause of the cloak. Get rid of the crutch, scouts don't need it and anyone who thinks they do can go to another class.
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 86	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:11:00 - [37] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Qq already play something else QQ isn't about how good or bad cloaks are, it's they shouldn't be in game. No reason for it.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1904	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:12:00 - [38] - Quote You can see them running away. Just keep shooting them. I wish that when you get shot, your cloak loses its charge and decloaks you, but whatever.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1234	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:14:00 - [39] - Quote A couple of points: Cloaks are new and everyone wants to try them out (it was the first thing I did). Expect fewer people to run them regularly once the novelty wears off. It's day 1, just keep that in mind. You should be decloaked upon taking damage with some reasonable delay before being able to recloak (someone mentioned 5 seconds, that's probably in the neighborhood). Best PvE idea ever!
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:16:00 - [40] - Quote I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting.

Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1099	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:19:00 - [41] - Quote alten hilt wrote: I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting. then make it a scout ONLY equipment. when a whole team of scouts, logi's, assaults and even COMMANDOs are using the cloak, thats just wrong. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 911	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:21:00 - [42] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: i dont like the cloak, i can't seem to find anyone to kill as a heavy and the battlefield looks so empty. every single non heavy users are running cloaks and when you're in a battle knowing that there are players but the battlefield is devoid of any life. plus where's the so called "de-cloak" sound? i dont even hear it when a cloaked person de-cloaks right next to me Run a heavy with a precision enhancer then come back. I'm not being mean but I'm actually suggesting to you to experiment with the precision enhancers and then come back and tell us whether or not it'll help. Even a heavy with four complex precision enhancers isnt going to pick up a cloaked scout. For your sake I hope you were trolling...
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1234	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:28:00 - [43] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: alten hilt wrote: I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting. then make it a scout ONLY equipment. when a whole team of scouts, logi's, assaults and even COMMANDOs are using the cloak, thats just wrong. That's cookie-cutter class design like PS2. No thanks. CCP did it right, you can run them on anything with an equipment slot, but it will gimp your fit. That allows for interesting and creative fittings. It's day 1 and everyone is trying out the new toy. I expect the cloak to mostly be used by scouts once the novelty wears off. Best PvE idea ever!
Soldiersaint Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 763	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:31:00 - [44] - Quote poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT Take your worthless gun game and leave. People who use there brain will win. people who think something as pointless as gun game you will lose.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 289	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote It would be nice to use to hide from tanks or dropships while they pass by.... Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 757	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:54:00 - [46] - Quote There is a small hole in the cloaking device where you can give it added power via the tears of cloak haters. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
Rusty Shallows 1246	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:02:00 - [47] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Only people who will complain about cloaks are bad players Keep that in mind A stunning application of the playground, "rubber and glue" logic. The bald players fallacy has been used to justify the current HAV balance. Do you really want to go there Dexter? Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1613	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:16:00 - [48] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: In the four matches I got to play this morning I killed 8 scouts that were cloaked. Being aware is op, nerf eyesight. On that note complex profile dampeners let you stroll around on the front line because every one relies way to much on equipment. Who wants some?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 470	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:22:00 - [49] - Quote To OP the cloak is actually BALANCED, if you didn't see him get your core skills up. And I feel so good to say this to you mediums/heavies! HTFU
zzZaXxx The Phoenix Federation 250	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:35:00 - [50] - Quote poison Diego wrote: pagl1u M wrote: You are in the Middle of a fight and he is able to switch to his equipment, activate it, disapper and run away (and you can Still see him)... Apparently it is you the one that doesn't have gungame thats cute.... You know what the flap I mean, it doesnt happen always but in middle of combat a lot of things can happen and maybe he can dock behind something and then he is gone... I can not believe that you are defending this obviously broken shizt! What's your complaint? You didn't get the kill? We give no sh*ts about your KDR.

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1156	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:06:00 - [51] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT SCOUTS DO NOT NEED A CLOAK - 100% agree Cloaks are stupid, no reason to have them in game. They are a negative, not a positive. Get rid of cloaks. Cloaks might possibly ruin the game more than all these impossible to kill 1400 eHP Proto sentinels. I can see fatties being UP x10, but in limited numbers they can work. Problem is there will be 8-10 per battles, which won't work. Only people who will complain about cloaks are bad players Keep that in mind Quiet the opposite, its scrubs who need to use cloaks. What a joke cloaks are, there's no reason to need them, just unskilled ***** scouts complaining their eHP too low because they don't bother to flank or learn tactics. Now scouts don't need to flank or bother playing a stealth role. Fit a cloak, head to frontline, then it on and stand still and wait. That's not a tactic, thats a joke Scouts who need a cloak to be competitive or viable, should love cloaks because they are terrible players. Scouts don't need a cloak to be good, you just need more skill and experience (and apparently SP in dust). Cloaks are a crutch that middle of the road to bad players need to use a scout, while it'll just help the lesser skilled elite... And the scouts who know how to play (and dominated prior to 1.8) will continue too but not cause of the cloak. Get rid of the crutch, scouts don't need it and anyone who thinks they do can go to another class. Yep your bad Cloaked scouts are rediculously easy to see when not still and are super load when they uncloak Im probably not even going use it because its not good enough
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 372	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:08:00 - [52] - Quote If you can't finish off a 1v1 when he cloaks to "escape," you have bad gun game. However when there are other reds around the reticle doesn't indicate exactly where he is when he does this. So yeah that is a problem. But if you don't think it's cool... You're a buzz kill honestly I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 135	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:13:00 - [53] - Quote poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT makes no sense y one would do that in the middle of a 1v1. thats a dumb move. makes no sense to disable your ability to fight back in a gun fight. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 55	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:19:00 - [54] - Quote poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT The cloaks have a role, look at Killzone, they found a way for the marksmen class, although in Dust it will be different. You won't see all 16 players with cloaks will you, no. I spec to cloak lvl 3 and I only have 2 scouts that will have it. I wont use cloak everytime, I only use it when the time is right. Its very effective for flanking and tactics but if other mercs dont use it well then they will abuse it and thats not good. With TTK on the other hand, Im impressed, now it wont take a heavy to kill 3+ mercs. With my Gallente Heavy, 500 shields and 786 armour with 400+ HMG, I can only take out 2 mercs and thats a huge difference. With all my SP I spec to Caldari scount lvl 5, Gallente scout lvl 3, Gallente Sental heavy lvl 1,and Gallente assault/basic lvl 3. In the end Im satified. The ion pistol is badass. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7641	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:36:00 - [55] - Quote poison Diego wrote: This here is a whole new game. When people who dont have gungame just activate cloak in a middle of 1vs1? thats just sad... Cloak was never needed and does not fit any role in dust(maybe NK assassins) I am a scout and Im telling you that I DONT NEED CLOAK!!! EDIT: btw there will be no new-comers now... FIX IT 1. You're reticule will turn red if you pass it over the target. 2. The silhouette of the cloak can still be seen if you have a good eye. 3. The shimmer kicks in when moving and is most apparent in the dark. Caldari Scout will detect even a cloaked scout using only the suit's passive scan. I just saw my brother kill a cloaked scout trying to sneak up on him but the enemy's chevron showed his position. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
RydogV Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 690	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:12:00 - [56] - Quote I think the cloaks are pretty well balanced. It has certainly added a whole new dynamic to the game-play, although now I get pretty paranoid that a Scout is going to decloak behind me with Shotgun in hand I think the only change I would wish to see is if a Scout is cloaked and I shoot them, it should deactivate the cloak. I am not trying to be harsh, but the fact is if you got seen and I make contact...you failed. A fair trade when you can sneak up behind me and one shot me in the head or Nova-Knife me. With that change, everything would feel balanced IMO. Regardless, I am happy to see Scouts find a viable role in the game. Many a Proto Caldari Scout has had their way with me already.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2068	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:17:00 - [57] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: alten hilt wrote: I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting. then make it a scout ONLY equipment. when a whole team of scouts, logi's, assaults and even COMMANDOs are using the cloak, thats just wrong. Why? New Eden has cloaks available, and though they have steep fitting requirements, there's no reason that you couldn't build cloaking ships on types that a casual observer might be surprised. Dust exists in this universe, so take your preconceptions of what cloaking should do, and hold it. Why don't you actually attempt to play the game.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 138	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:32:00 - [58] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: alten hilt wrote: I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting. then make it a scout ONLY equipment. when a whole team of scouts, logi's, assaults and even COMMANDOs are using the cloak, thats just wrong. LOL i have yet to see a commando with one. i have see assaults with them, but it looks like they could only fit a standard cloaking device and a primary weapon. their HP looked around just that of the base HP, so they likely had little, if any, modules. Fact is that a scout LVL 5 gets 75% less Pg/CPU cost of cloaking devices. the PG/CPU that a cloaking device takes up on a scout suit of its same tier is comparable to equipping remote explosives of one tier to a suit of that same tier. TL : DR version: cloaking device practically IS scout only. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2069	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:33:00 - [59] - Quote General12912 wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: alten hilt wrote: I disagree, they allow the scout to actually fulfill its role of skirmishing/scouting. then make it a scout ONLY equipment. when a whole team of scouts, logi's, assaults and even COMMANDOs are using the cloak, thats just wrong. LOL i have yet to see a commando with one. i have see assaults with them, butit looks like all they could fit a standar cloaking device and a primary weapon. their HP looked around just that of the base HP, so they likely had little, if any, modules. Fact is that a scout LVL 5 gets 75% less Pg/CPU cost of cloaking devices per level. the PG/CPU that a cloaking device takes up on a scout suit of its same tier is comparable to equipping remote explosives of one tier to a suit of that same tier. TL : DR version: cloaking device practically IS scout only. Yes, exactly my point. On the other hand, if you really want to try something off the wall you can. That's pretty much how sandbox games should work IMHO.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 807	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:35:00 - [60] - Quote 1 match in... I was just fiddling around in a cloak. Was killed twice while moving cloaked by another cloaked scout I never saw. Spent a lot of the map just keeping an eye out for the shimmer, think I saw it once. Eventually I tried to see what I could accomplish while cloaked. Now you see me, rounder a corner and cloak and wait for them to walk right up to your shotgun barrel worked nicely. Just standing in the middle of a fire fight and taking out reds once they were distracted seemed to work well too. Eventually i was just like F it and walked right up into a crowed of three people and nobody seemed to notice till I shotgunned someone. Seems like a lot of fun to those who are cloaked but quite frustrating to anyone who doesn't have one. Now I just have to decide between Gal scout (I have a dragonfly BPO) and a Minm Scout. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles



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