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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:There's a distinction between QQ and actually being able to cite and prove something.
Also between people who support balance and people who support whatever gear they sport.
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LittleCuteBunny
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:30:00 -
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When I look at the CR I see ...
Decent Range
Highest RoF
No Overheat
Good Clip Size
Crystal clear sight
2.6 sec reload is competitive (although everybody clips the reload)
Low CPU/PG requirements
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:31:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:
I have tried the combat rifle and am dismayed at the lack of cons to the weapon. In 1.8 CCP made it appear as if Combat was getting nerfed harder than the rest of the weapons.
Only the scrambler rifle can out compete it and even then it has consistency issues and requires an Amarr Assault for the best of results.
The Combat Rifle is dealing nearly 600 armor damage a second and once armor is gone you are gone.
This is nonsense. Assault Rifle and Rail Rifle are nonfactors in 1.8 and to counter the combat rifle you will need to dual tank
The truth is slowly emerging. The Combat Rifle has always been the OP weapon and will remain a strong weapon, despite the "nerfs", when 1.8 drops.
No offense but the majority of folks talking crap on the RR didn't know jack **** about what they were talking about.
CR and the SCR are the main reasons why I dual tank. I absolutely have to. Shields does nothing to counter those weapons. Just having an all shield defense is like you're first time playing up against LRs in the chromosome build.
1.8...man...the tears are going to be plentiful. Not just about the weapons either. The strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker...
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Master Smurf
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:32:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Master Smurf wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Master Smurf wrote:It did get nerf harder ie a bigger reduction to damage - you are just saying its still out ahead
Also RR and ScR have range on their side to deliver their damage
- Yes AR have an issue because they arent doing enough damage.
I have always said AR's (even though I dont use them) should get more damage but steeper fall off damage The 'larger nerf' ranges from 3-5%. That's insignificant, especially looking at the statistics. Bojo is saying it's out ahead because it is out ahead. Which I didnt dispute Anyways keep up the QQ There's a distinction between QQ and actually being able to cite and prove something.
What is the distinction - That the Minmatar have a good weapon to pair with their underpowerd suits ???
That CR will suffer agaisnt ScR and RR at range damage wise as well as aiming wise because it jumps much more than the other two?
Its just disheartening to seemingly hear every Gallente user cry about every slight they have while not acknowledging things in their favour.
Instead of trying to get a further CR nerf, campaign for an AR buff.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:35:00 -
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You, sir, are trolling
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Master Smurf
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:36:00 -
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All 3 weapons are strong - I never said different though some seem to be trying to split them so their favourite will not get hit 
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:38:00 -
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I'm very happy with where the ScR went...I also just want to point out the irony of people complaining about the ScR....now defending the CR that is supposedly the best rifle in terms of damage output.
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William HBonney
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:44:00 -
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CRs are great up close, I wouldn't say they will beat a RR at 40m+ . The other thing we must consider is damage per clip. The CR has the worst damage per clip. You will most likely have to reload to kill a heavy. |
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:44:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:I would be happy if they just made it +5/-5 instead of the +5/-10 BS it is now.
There is no reason for it to be the way it is now. +10/-5 BS yeah but even then it's still out DPS'ing an AR against shields, even the AR with proficiency 5 (this is all 1.8 talk BTW) Well. I will say that it should do more DPS than the automatic rifles because it is a burst weapon and requires a small amount more input from the use. I'm not sure how much more DPS it should do though.
Enough to favor trigger finger players. If it's just slightly outDPSs the AR, then you might as well use the AR because you get nearly the same DPS while having the ability to focus on dodging bullets and doing stuff like strafing better.
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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:48:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:
What is the distinction - That the Minmatar have a good weapon to pair with their underpowerd suits ???
That CR will suffer agaisnt ScR and RR at range damage wise as well as aiming wise because it jumps much more than the other two?
Its just disheartening to seemingly hear every Gallente user cry about every slight they have while not acknowledging things in their favour.
Instead of trying to get a further CR nerf, campaign for an AR buff.
Wow, you mind telling me since when a Combat Rifle was forced to be used on a Minmatar Suit?
It's just disheartening to seemingly hear every Combat Rifle user turn a blind eye to the truth and find scapegoats.
Campaign for an AR buff? That would defeat the purpose of the lowered TTK because I would campaign for the lowest range weapon to have the highest DPS so that an AR would out DPS a Combat Rifle like it should.
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Master Smurf
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:51:00 -
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Come on Bojo - its not forced on but its made for
Now if you want to propose a lower RoF and a bonus to Min Assaults then....
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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:53:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Come on Bojo - its not forced on but its made for
Now if you want to propose a lower RoF and a bonus to Min Assaults then....
No
I didn't propose anything in this thread, if you read it that is
I just laid the facts on the line
EDIT: You do not have my favor, only those who do are allowed to call me informally as Bojo. All others must refer to me by my full title.
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Master Smurf
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:57:00 -
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LOL
I never said you proposed it BOZO - its just a figure of speech to say that could be a workable solution
Anyhow - not my concern
Be well
Live Long and Prosper
Go with God
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:58:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:LOL
I never said you proposed it BOZO - its just a figure of speech to say that could be a workable solution
Anyhow - not my concern
Be well
Live Long and Prosper
Go with God
I don't know why but when I read that you posted "Go with God" I cringed......
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Reav Hannari
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:12:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:CR being King, I call that Bull. My Breach Assault rifle does more damage and Im glad ccp didnt touch those. AS >>>>>>> CR. They did nerf the Breach Assault rifle in 1.8 if you did not see I love the Breach Assault Rifle I will forever love it and use it but you are incorrect. CR will still be king.
Enjoy your 330 DPS from a prototype weapon. I understand packing an underdog weapon but the Breach is just too weak. At least run the Tac or Burst AR.
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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:14:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:CR being King, I call that Bull. My Breach Assault rifle does more damage and Im glad ccp didnt touch those. AS >>>>>>> CR. They did nerf the Breach Assault rifle in 1.8 if you did not see I love the Breach Assault Rifle I will forever love it and use it but you are incorrect. CR will still be king. Enjoy your 330 DPS from a prototype weapon. I understand packing an underdog weapon but the Breach is just too weak. At least run the Tac or Burst AR.
I run them all!
Also for some reason I go 14/2 with it/ high KDR consistent. I can't explain it it's just easier to use to me.
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bamboo x
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:17:00 -
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Until you round a corner with your CR and get destroyed by an Amarr or Caldari sentinel. Then you won't be king of anything. 
I laugh at your CR, SMG, Magsec, HMG, lasers & plasma
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Auris Lionesse
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:18:00 -
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Rail rifle was never op.
combat rifle was and still is.
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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:21:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Until you round a corner with your CR and get destroyed by an Amarr or Caldari sentinel. Then you won't be king of anything.
With passive Scan I don't round corners unwittingly!
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Reav Hannari
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:21:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:CR being King, I call that Bull. My Breach Assault rifle does more damage and Im glad ccp didnt touch those. AS >>>>>>> CR. They did nerf the Breach Assault rifle in 1.8 if you did not see I love the Breach Assault Rifle I will forever love it and use it but you are incorrect. CR will still be king. Enjoy your 330 DPS from a prototype weapon. I understand packing an underdog weapon but the Breach is just too weak. At least run the Tac or Burst AR. I run them all! Also for some reason I go 14/2 with it/ high KDR consistent. I can't explain it it's just easier to use to me.
Proof that DPS isn't everything? I used up some from my inventory a few weeks ago. Switching to it from CR just accentuated the difference in damage capability. I did find the Tac fun to run with again, but it always was a favorite of mine.
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Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:25:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:
Proof that DPS isn't everything? I used up some from my inventory a few weeks ago. Switching to it from CR just accentuated the difference in damage capability. I did find the Tac fun to run with again, but it always was a favorite of mine.
Yes, I do not believe DPS is everything.....
But the Combat Rifle has the best Accuracy rating......(seriously check it out) 59.02
I've been running Breach and Tac consistently over these last weeks and the Breach is just better than the TAC because of the hip fire. The Hip fire on a breach lets you strafe and shoot with amazing accuracy at forty meters out with little miss.
All you see is a dancing Gal Scout many meters off humiliating you with the least used weapon on the field perhaps.
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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:31:00 -
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So the plasma rifle has, what, 3-4% higher dps than the rail rifle now. Except that armour values, against which rails deal more damage, are generally higher than shield values... Guess they're more or less balanced, or would be, if they had the the same engagement range. |
Bojo The Mighty
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Posted - 2014.03.25 00:33:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:So the plasma rifle has, what, 3-4% higher dps than the rail rifle now. Except that armour values, against which rails deal more damage, are generally higher than shield values... Guess they're more or less balanced, or would be, if they had the the same engagement range.
One could say that yes. With numbers as close as they are though, between the RR and AR it will require some field testing. But with the gap between CR and other weapons it's not even necessary unless there is an unspoken Accuracy nerf.
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