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Posted - 2014.03.24 22:32:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:So the huge bounce that you get with the CR isn't a downside at range? Unless youre in somebodies face it is impossible to get the full DPS at range if you just spam the trigger. Whereas the RR has laughable recoil, and as far as I can tell NO dispersion, and its pretty much the same story with the SCR. And the RR can hit you for full damage all the way out to, wtf is it? 110 motherfucking meters!? STFU about how OP the CR is, its no more OP than the RR and SCR. Honestly theres only one problem with rifles right now and its that the AR doesn't compare with any of the rest of them.
CR is laser accurate to about 50m...... I should know I've started bringing them into my rotation over ScR...and using the Amarr Logi to make the most of its bonus.
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:01:00 -
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Orin the Freak wrote:Bojo, your numbers may be correct, on paper.
But in real-world application, they are pretty far off. for one, you have to consider not every shot is going to land. One missed shot takes up 3x the ammunition the scrambler or RR does. Furthermore, the CR has less optimal range than the others, so unless you're using a fast, stealthy suit to close gaps, you're going to have to rely on cover a lot more.
Then there's the huge factor you are missing, which is trigger pull lag. The CR currently has a horrible input lag (I assume it's tied to server lag) where trigger pulls are anything but reliable. Sometimes it takes what seems like forever in between bursts, and other times it's near-instantaneous. You are only calculating the later, and disregarding the former.
The combat rifle could still be a contender, that is TBD. But it will NOT be as powerful as the RR, or ScR. I personally don't think DPS is something that should be compared in DUST, seeing as how it's almost never 100% dealt, due to misses, and extenuating circumstances.
And yet he provides numbers and support and your evidence is based of speculation....
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:08:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Orin the Freak wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Emperor1349 wrote:How much DPS if you miss a burst? Same as SCR if you miss a shot or two what's the stats look like vs fully auto. You guys got your ******** long TTK back, give it a rest. If we're factoring in misses, that hurts the CR the least as it has the highest RoF of all these weapons. And it would still have by far the best damage output. highest RoF... in 3 round bursts. as I stated in my previous post, a miss with the CR is 3x more ammo than the other rifles. Which means one miss takes you 3 rounds closer to having to reload than the other guy. and as we all know, reloads in the middle of a firefight are deadly. Why does a miss with one bullet of a burst mean you miss with the rest of it? It doesn't. It is entirely possible, and in fact quite likely that you will miss sometimes with one bullet of a burst and hit with another. The net effect is you have a very high RoF. It doesn't function any differently overall.
Indeed half the value of high RoF weapons is that they are forgiving in that you might miss with 1 bullet but are putting enough down range to ensure hits on the rest.
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:23:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Master Smurf wrote:It did get nerf harder ie a bigger reduction to damage - you are just saying its still out ahead
Also RR and ScR have range on their side to deliver their damage
- Yes AR have an issue because they arent doing enough damage.
I have always said AR's (even though I dont use them) should get more damage but steeper fall off damage The 'larger nerf' ranges from 3-5%. That's insignificant, especially looking at the statistics. Bojo is saying it's out ahead because it is out ahead. Which I didnt dispute Anyways keep up the QQ
There's a distinction between QQ and actually being able to cite and prove something.
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:38:00 -
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I'm very happy with where the ScR went...I also just want to point out the irony of people complaining about the ScR....now defending the CR that is supposedly the best rifle in terms of damage output.
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Posted - 2014.03.24 23:58:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:LOL
I never said you proposed it BOZO - its just a figure of speech to say that could be a workable solution
Anyhow - not my concern
Be well
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I don't know why but when I read that you posted "Go with God" I cringed......
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