DUST Search - What to skill next: ARs or ScRs?

True Adamance wrote:

CRNWLLC wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Atiim wrote:

How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle?

Unless you are like me and you already do that and still need a conventional rifle to fill your second light weapon slot.

^^ Something like this.

I will continue to snipe > scout > ADS in that order, but, having hit 19M SP after the event, and having two conventional rifle skills already to level 4 (other than Cal medium frames, this is the only SP I feel I've "wasted", since I don't usually use these weapons), I'm thinking I'd like one more weapon at proto, so I can try out a different play style (frontline) more effectively. I still have yet to try the CR or RR, and I certainly get killed by them all the time, but I sort of want to round out the weapons I've already skilled into (even if they're not getting any love from the community at large), before I pick up another one.

Some of my thoughts:

1. At proto level, they still kill the sh!t outta my scout and sniper fits;
2. I've got BPOs of both types;
4. I skilled 4 into both (before abandoning them up till now for the SG and SR) when I first stated getting into Dust, due to a noob's misunderstanding of FotM and some [pretty dubious] information on the forums at that time;
3. I've recently started running a BPO Caldari assault frame and basic-level gear for sh!ts, and haven't been doing a terribly as I would have suspected.

I honestly then say if you are to scout pick up the CR. Its the skirmishers gun. High RoF, laser accurate to 50m, scoped, anti armour.

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CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 148	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! My other dropsuit is a Python.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2325	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:40:00 - [2] - Quote CR. ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 908	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:41:00 - [3] - Quote If you've got the skill to be good with the ScR, it's the far more dangerous weapon, IMO, when compared to the AR. That said, I agree with Lorhak, the CR is better than either one.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6097	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11666	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote For 1.8? CR. Absolutely the CR - the damage profile is simply the best you can get, and that's going to become very important in 1.8 with the proficiency changes. Despite receiving the largest damage reduction of all the rifles, it was only a 5% difference. It also has obscenely good damage output with a fairly solid range. You'll want to carry nanohives though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2325	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? So what you mean to say is CR, of course? ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 281	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:48:00 - [7] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Assault rifles, so you can run starter fits with better results Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1486	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:50:00 - [8] - Quote The ScR obviously. If you want to keep using the easy-mode that is the hitscan racial battle rifle, and your choices are ScR or AR, ScR is the only choice. ARs just DO NOT OWN a role in combat anymore. They, like the Laser Rifles, lost everything they had to the newer Rifles. ScRs aren't too good either, but they are better than the AR in any way but damage profile. And can charge to boot. CRs are probably the all-around best, with RRs being the best hands-down as long as you can maintain range. Shields as Weapons Zelda Dynasty Warriors is a real thing.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 2813	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:53:00 - [9] - Quote Good question. I'd say hold off for a week or 2. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3112	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:55:00 - [10] - Quote Go Magsec. It outclasses the AR in every way. Don't waste another point in the outdated AR.

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 905	Posted - 2014.03.24 19:56:00 - [11] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Not the AR, it's bad as it is and getting even worse. ScR is a solid choice if you plan to go into Amarr assault.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4129	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:00:00 - [12] - Quote Ion Pistol /thread I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1234	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:01:00 - [13] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: The ScR obviously. If you want to keep using the easy-mode that is the hitscan racial battle rifle, and your choices are ScR or AR, ScR is the only choice. ARs just DO NOT OWN a role in combat anymore. They, like the Laser Rifles, lost everything they had to the newer Rifles. ScRs aren't too good either, but they are better than the AR in any way but damage profile. And can charge to boot. CRs are probably the all-around best, with RRs being the best hands-down as long as you can maintain range. The TTK changes will greatly benefit the AR. It has a fairly balanced DMG profile, is laser-accurate if fired in long bursts, and has a massive clip which will be incredibly helpful in a longer TTK engagement. The ScR is awesome, but only on an Amarr assault or commando. Any other suit (or those suits with low skills) will result in overheating before chewing through armor. I'd wait and see, but unless you're planning on making a deep commitment to Amarr suits, I'd probably go with the AR. Best PvE idea ever!
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 159	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:06:00 - [14] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Not the AR, it's bad as it is and getting even worse. ScR is a solid choice if you plan to go into Amarr assault. This statement is just wrong. The assault rifle is getting nerfed less than every other rifle. This means that in effect it is getting a buff. When compared to the performance of other rifles, the AR will be performing better than it currently does. The AR is a bit underwhelming in the DPS department but it does have great damage per clip which could make a big difference in a higher TTK environment. Also as someone else also said the damage profile is pretty good and that will also be more significant post 1.8. The AR is currently underperforming and that may remain the case however for a number of factors this should be at the least improving if not fully fixed in 1.8.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3443	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Not the AR, it's bad as it is and getting even worse. ScR is a solid choice if you plan to go into Amarr assault. This statement is just wrong. The assault rifle is getting nerfed less than every other rifle. This means that in effect it is getting a buff. When compared to the performance of other rifles, the AR will be performing better than it currently does. The AR is a bit underwhelming in the DPS department but it does have great damage per clip which could make a big difference in a higher TTK environment. Also as someone else also said the damage profile is pretty good and that will also be more significant post 1.8. The AR is currently underperforming and that may remain the case however for a number of factors this should be at the least improving if not fully fixed in 1.8. This post is just wrong. Do the math. ScR beats all. The AR is not fixed but does somewhat OK when engaging under 40-50 meters, not great in the range it should dominate, just OK. I'm a loyal Matari and even I'm considering going ScR. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8782	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? Unless you are like me and you already do that and still need a conventional rifle to fill your second light weapon slot. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 905	Posted - 2014.03.24 20:37:00 - [17] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Not the AR, it's bad as it is and getting even worse. ScR is a solid choice if you plan to go into Amarr assault. This statement is just wrong. The assault rifle is getting nerfed less than every other rifle. This means that in effect it is getting a buff. When compared to the performance of other rifles, the AR will be performing better than it currently does. The AR is a bit underwhelming in the DPS department but it does have great damage per clip which could make a big difference in a higher TTK environment. Also as someone else also said the damage profile is pretty good and that will also be more significant post 1.8. The AR is currently underperforming and that may remain the case however for a number of factors this should be at the least improving if not fully fixed in 1.8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKxuAaQBnQU AR is getting nerfed more than ScR and ACR, which are already better weapons than it. And though the CR and RR are getting slightly heavier nerfs, they will remain superior weapons. A 3% shift in the AR's favour is nothing considering it has half the range of the RR, and half the DPS of the CR. Play a PC and tell me how many Duvolles you see versus Boundless CRs.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 149	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:11:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? Unless you are like me and you already do that and still need a conventional rifle to fill your second light weapon slot. ^^ Something like this. I will continue to snipe > scout > ADS in that order, but, having hit 19M SP after the event, and having two conventional rifle skills already to level 4 (other than Cal medium frames, this is the only SP I feel I've "wasted", since I don't usually use these weapons), I'm thinking I'd like one more weapon at proto, so I can try out a different play style (frontline) more effectively. I still have yet to try the CR or RR, and I certainly get killed by them all the time, but I sort of want to round out the weapons I've already skilled into (even if they're not getting any love from the community at large), before I pick up another one. Some of my thoughts: 1. At proto level, they still kill the sh!t outta my scout and sniper fits; 2. I've got BPOs of both types; 4. I skilled 4 into both (before abandoning them up till now for the SG and SR) when I first stated getting into Dust, due to a noob's misunderstanding of FotM and some [pretty dubious] information on the forums at that time; 3. I've recently started running a BPO Caldari assault frame and basic-level gear for sh!ts, and haven't been doing a terribly as I would have suspected. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 344	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:13:00 - [19] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Villanor Aquarius wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: I have level 4 in each, and figure I may as well put one to level 5 so I can start rolling proto frontline, too. What's your advice? Thanks in advance! Not the AR, it's bad as it is and getting even worse. ScR is a solid choice if you plan to go into Amarr assault. This statement is just wrong. The assault rifle is getting nerfed less than every other rifle. This means that in effect it is getting a buff. When compared to the performance of other rifles, the AR will be performing better than it currently does. The AR is a bit underwhelming in the DPS department but it does have great damage per clip which could make a big difference in a higher TTK environment. Also as someone else also said the damage profile is pretty good and that will also be more significant post 1.8. The AR is currently underperforming and that may remain the case however for a number of factors this should be at the least improving if not fully fixed in 1.8. This post is just wrong. Do the math. ScR beats all. The AR is not fixed but does somewhat OK when engaging under 40-50 meters, not great in the range it should dominate, just OK. I'm a loyal Matari and even I'm considering going ScR. Your theoretical is good, but you're lacking the practicality drawbacks that the scrambler rifle has by nature. If all you care about is Alpha damage, quick bursts of high DPS, then the ScR is king. Yes, you'll win most one-on-one fights, but in a protracted engagement where constant DPS and suppressive fire are more important than high DPS, the ScR starts to lag behind. You have to pause firing to avoid overheating, while any of the other rifles can keep shooting. If you actually do overheat, you're out of combat for 5 seconds, which can be life or death in some cases. The ScR works great at range, but in close quarters where you have to spam the trigger in order to stay alive, the Combat Rifle or Rail Rifle will easily beat you out if they have a reasonable amount of EHP. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8794	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:13:00 - [20] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? Unless you are like me and you already do that and still need a conventional rifle to fill your second light weapon slot. ^^ Something like this. I will continue to snipe > scout > ADS in that order, but, having hit 19M SP after the event, and having two conventional rifle skills already to level 4 (other than Cal medium frames, this is the only SP I feel I've "wasted", since I don't usually use these weapons), I'm thinking I'd like one more weapon at proto, so I can try out a different play style (frontline) more effectively. I still have yet to try the CR or RR, and I certainly get killed by them all the time, but I sort of want to round out the weapons I've already skilled into (even if they're not getting any love from the community at large), before I pick up another one. Some of my thoughts: 1. At proto level, they still kill the sh!t outta my scout and sniper fits; 2. I've got BPOs of both types; 4. I skilled 4 into both (before abandoning them up till now for the SG and SR) when I first stated getting into Dust, due to a noob's misunderstanding of FotM and some [pretty dubious] information on the forums at that time; 3. I've recently started running a BPO Caldari assault frame and basic-level gear for sh!ts, and haven't been doing a terribly as I would have suspected. I honestly then say if you are to scout pick up the CR. Its the skirmishers gun. High RoF, laser accurate to 50m, scoped, anti armour. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 149	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:35:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? Unless you are like me and you already do that and still need a conventional rifle to fill your second light weapon slot. ^^ Something like this. I will continue to snipe > scout > ADS in that order, but, having hit 19M SP after the event, and having two conventional rifle skills already to level 4 (other than Cal medium frames, this is the only SP I feel I've "wasted", since I don't usually use these weapons), I'm thinking I'd like one more weapon at proto, so I can try out a different play style (frontline) more effectively. I still have yet to try the CR or RR, and I certainly get killed by them all the time, but I sort of want to round out the weapons I've already skilled into (even if they're not getting any love from the community at large), before I pick up another one. Some of my thoughts: 1. At proto level, they still kill the sh!t outta my scout and sniper fits; 2. I've got BPOs of both types; 4. I skilled 4 into both (before abandoning them up till now for the SG and SR) when I first stated getting into Dust, due to a noob's misunderstanding of FotM and some [pretty dubious] information on the forums at that time; 3. I've recently started running a BPO Caldari assault frame and basic-level gear for sh!ts, and haven't been doing a terribly as I would have suspected. I honestly then say if you are to scout pick up the CR. Its the skirmishers gun. High RoF, laser accurate to 50m, scoped, anti armour. Well, I still plan to stick with my SG for scouting! The rifle (at this point) would only really be for a medium frame with a shield or armor (or both?) tank. Again, the point here is to spend the least amount of SP to get another weapon to proto, and the catch is that it has to be the ScR or AR, since those two, each at level 4, fit the bill re: least amount of SP. This is to the end of trying out a "new" (frontline) playstyle more effectively. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1988	Posted - 2014.03.24 21:36:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about instead using a weapon that best suits your playstyle's niche, as opposed to a conventional rifle? Conventional Rifle is what the Frontline assault generally uses Atiim. You knew that, right? Because you wanted to be something you're not.


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