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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.03.23 09:31:00 -
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Playing with the proto fits link I was trying to fit 3xcomplex shields on a minmatar mko and a comp cardio, 2x kins, and ish knives and couldn't fit the pg, I don't even think I had a cloak on it. Sorry I'm using my phone now but I ll post the comparison later.
But what I did do if memory serves, is I fit a AK.0 with :
Comp shield Basic shield Ish nk Adv or basic mag( couldn't remember) Compact hive Adv cloak Basic cardio ( which equals a complex 441 stamina I think) 3x kinetics
Has about 400 HP and runs 10.33 , min runs 10.38
I ll post the links later unless someone's bored and wants to compare trying to get the top speed, HP and stamina.
So fellow ninjas what's more important?
Damage, speed, stamina, back up weapon, HP , dual regen ( being able to do all this at once and still have a hive, on the min would you downgrade your speed to fit the hive and a sidearm or downgrade shields and lose HP )?
I'm curious to know what you think I'd more important, because with knive at pro 5 is it worth it to run it as a knife suit? The hack bonus is gonna be amazing and the damage is good but it seems the AK0 might be a vicious underdog . To be able to move that fast and carry that much is pretty amazing.
Also if you dropped the basic shield you should be able to use a complex cardio and have 771 stamina and run 10.33 with 400+ HP .
I am seriously considering this as my Nk/ SHOT GUN FIT!
What do you think? Sorry I didn't post links it's too late here.
Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
992
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Posted - 2014.03.23 09:51:00 -
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Why fit it to run and cloak when it looks like you'll turn into a glow stick ever time you move so fast?
Looks like the emphasis for the cloak will be to walk more and take your time on the approach.
Not to mention you'll eventually need some dampening, especially if their's a decent Gal logi on the enemy team.
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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
455
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Posted - 2014.03.23 10:07:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Why fit it to run and cloak when it looks like you'll turn into a glow stick ever time you move so fast?
Looks like the emphasis for the cloak will be to walk more and take your time on the approach.
Not to mention you'll eventually need some dampening, especially if their's a decent Gal logi on the enemy team. The cloak is the dampener, a speed tanked minja would have to do the same but have less HP to fit the cloak. IMO the cloak is for you to reposition yourself, and if your running 10.33 with 700+ stamina you'll be fine.
The point was I don't think any minjas actually noticed how hard it's gonna be to fit that dream fit of 10+ speed and stamina, because it's still gonna be just as hard as now unless you drop the cloak, then you have no damps.
But the AK could run all that and even lose the shields for percision or sa damage mods, 10% damage to 200x15% for pro 5 still puts you over 1000 damage and not far behind a minja, jus saying could be a way better suit aside from not having the hack bonus
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 10:17:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:But the AK could run all that and even lose the shields for percision or sa damage mods, 10% damage to 200x15% for pro 5 still puts you over 1000 damage and not far behind a minja, jus saying could be a way better suit aside from not having the hack bonus Don't forget that damage mods are getting reduced to 5% for complex.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1080
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:02:00 -
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Speed tanking doesn't work.
Damp, codebreaker, shield extenders, cloak, knives, re's
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
1154
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:07:00 -
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I might be alone in this but I've never used kin cats on any of my scouts. On my Minja knifer I'll be using a complex range amp, a complex damp, and a complex codebreaker. I'll drop the codebreaker if downgrading to advanced.
I plan to rely on the cloak, not speed, to stalk my enemy. If he turns around I'll freeze and become nearly invisible until he turns back around. The beauty of this too is that your stamina recharges very quickly (sub 4 seconds) so these little breathers will probably leave you with nearly full stamina by the time you reach your prey.
Besides, I don't know about you but I always try to use the charge swipe as my initial attack, and kin cats don't affect basic movement speed. So I'd have better luck keeping pace with a moving enemy with the faster Minja than the Amarr. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1080
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:11:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I might be alone in this but I've never used kin cats on any of my scouts. On my Minja knifer I'll be using a complex range amp, a complex damp, and a complex codebreaker. I'll drop the codebreaker if downgrading to advanced.
I plan to rely on the cloak, not speed, to stalk my enemy. If he turns around I'll freeze and become nearly invisible until he turns back around. The beauty of this too is that your stamina recharges very quickly (sub 4 seconds) so these little breathers will probably leave you with nearly full stamina by the time you reach your prey.
Besides, I don't know about you but I always try to use the charge swipe as my initial attack, and kin cats don't affect basic movement speed. So I'd have better luck keeping pace with a moving enemy with the faster Minja than the Amarr.
You're not alone, I don't run kin cats either, I run reactive plates or 'EWAR' mods.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3401
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:51:00 -
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Using knives and not the Matari scout is costing you 25% damage.
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
719
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:56:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I might be alone in this but I've never used kin cats on any of my scouts. On my Minja knifer I'll be using a complex range amp, a complex damp, and a complex codebreaker. I'll drop the codebreaker if downgrading to advanced.
I plan to rely on the cloak, not speed, to stalk my enemy. If he turns around I'll freeze and become nearly invisible until he turns back around. The beauty of this too is that your stamina recharges very quickly (sub 4 seconds) so these little breathers will probably leave you with nearly full stamina by the time you reach your prey.
Besides, I don't know about you but I always try to use the charge swipe as my initial attack, and kin cats don't affect basic movement speed. So I'd have better luck keeping pace with a moving enemy with the faster Minja than the Amarr.
As a logi from the get go I'd never used kin cats but I used the MCC reward to max biotics and KC and on my Minja it is AMAZING. I guess it comes to around 18% with the mod and skill bonuses. I can't wait to try complex KC and regulator for 120 stamina regen. Throw on a complex codebreaker and you're a highly mobile lilbro with 85% hackspeed.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1000
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:03:00 -
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I like it! The Amarr scout looks like it will have some awesome fitting potential I'm trademarking the Velociraptor fits w/stacks of Cardiac Regs
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'D1CK by nature'
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
992
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:13:00 -
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I'm only considering Kin Cats on on min scout as part of evasion strategy.
Seek out enemies Activate cloak walk over to close distance decloak to make my move When finished only then run for cover Cloak and reposition again in case I was spotted
In other words, using the speed to break LOS on me then disappear and reposition cautiously. Running while cloaked seems useless with the shimmer (close range at least).
As to using the cloak as a dampener - its not permanent, all good logi's will know to equip at least a proto to find you during downtime / the focused to find you even with it active (Adv / any pro for Gal logi).
In 1.8 the Adv scanner will only be much good for standard scans or stupid mid frames / heavies with cloak and no damps skills / mods.
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.23 12:22:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:Playing with the proto fits link I was trying to fit 3xcomplex shields on a minmatar mko and a comp cardio, 2x kins, and ish knives and couldn't fit the pg, I don't even think I had a cloak on it. Sorry I'm using my phone now but I ll post the comparison later.
But what I did do if memory serves, is I fit a AK.0 with :
Comp shield Basic shield Ish nk Adv or basic mag( couldn't remember) Compact hive Adv cloak Basic cardio ( which equals a complex 441 stamina I think) 3x kinetics
Has about 400 HP and runs 10.33 , min runs 10.38
I ll post the links later unless someone's bored and wants to compare trying to get the top speed, HP and stamina.
So fellow ninjas what's more important?
Damage, speed, stamina, back up weapon, HP , dual regen ( being able to do all this at once and still have a hive, on the min would you downgrade your speed to fit the hive and a sidearm or downgrade shields and lose HP )?
I'm curious to know what you think I'd more important, because with knive at pro 5 is it worth it to run it as a knife suit? The hack bonus is gonna be amazing and the damage is good but it seems the AK0 might be a vicious underdog . To be able to move that fast and carry that much is pretty amazing.
Also if you dropped the basic shield you should be able to use a complex cardio and have 771 stamina and run 10.33 with 400+ HP .
I am seriously considering this as my Nk/ SHOT GUN FIT!
What do you think? Sorry I didn't post links it's too late here. Most used proto scout I guess, not sure Cal scout Adv magsec or shotgun and magsec Adv cloak Comp. Damp Comp. Kincat 4 extenders or if no pg use a precision enhancer
Closed beta vet
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Roger Pdaktir
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:43:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Why fit it to run and cloak when it looks like you'll turn into a glow stick ever time you move so fast?
Looks like the emphasis for the cloak will be to walk more and take your time on the approach.
Not to mention you'll eventually need some dampening, especially if their's a decent Gal logi on the enemy team.
Im not sure it will matter at what speed you're sprinting. CCP has given no indication whether the shimmer effect is a continuous function of speed or a discrete function of movement mode. For example, there has been no indication that a scout running at 10 m/a will shimmer more than a scout running at 9 m/s.
I think the more likely answer is that the shimmer effect will operate under a discrete function ie. there is an amount of shimmer for walking and a larger amount of shimmer for sprinting, regardless of speed. Such a system would be easier to implement regarding both processing load and on the source code level.
However, I do hope it works the way you are implying. That seems like the more appropriate solution.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
262
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:50:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Speed tanking doesn't work.
Damp, codebreaker, shield extenders, cloak, knives, re's doesn't fit.
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Balance!
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
262
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:52:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Using knives and not the Matari scout is costing you 25% damage. so what? what does it matter if YOU CANT FIT THE DAMN SCOUT!!!!??
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Balance!
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Scheneighnay McBob
Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4468
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Posted - 2014.03.23 14:00:00 -
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Knife damage and stealth are most important. Speed comes closely afterwards, but don't worry too much about sprint. Just base movement.
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1155
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Posted - 2014.03.23 14:15:00 -
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Roger Pdaktir wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Why fit it to run and cloak when it looks like you'll turn into a glow stick ever time you move so fast?
Looks like the emphasis for the cloak will be to walk more and take your time on the approach.
Not to mention you'll eventually need some dampening, especially if their's a decent Gal logi on the enemy team. Im not sure it will matter at what speed you're sprinting. CCP has given no indication whether the shimmer effect is a continuous function of speed or a discrete function of movement mode. For example, there has been no indication that a scout running at 10 m/a will shimmer more than a scout running at 9 m/s. I think the more likely answer is that the shimmer effect will operate under a discrete function ie. there is an amount of shimmer for walking and a larger amount of shimmer for sprinting, regardless of speed. Such a system would be easier to implement regarding both processing load and on the source code level. However, I do hope it works the way you are implying. That seems like the more appropriate solution. that little shimmer is enough if you are running in front of the enemy so it will not be OP but who knows there will be bugs on day 1 so i dont expect it to be perfect . Lots of exploiting coming
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.23 14:29:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Speed tanking doesn't work.
Damp, codebreaker, shield extenders, cloak, knives, re's doesn't fit.
Yes it does..... downgrade something other than the knives.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
296
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Posted - 2014.03.23 15:29:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote: I plan to rely on the cloak, not speed, to stalk my enemy. If he turns around I'll freeze and become nearly invisible until he turns back around.
I believe the reticle turns red when over a cloaked target. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
752
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Posted - 2014.03.23 15:36:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Speed tanking doesn't work.
Tell that to Lightening.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.03.23 15:38:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Using knives and not the Matari scout is costing you 25% damage. so what? what does it matter if YOU CANT FIT THE DAMN SCOUT!!!!??
WHY SO UPSET!!!!??
Seriously, the new scouts will be a lot easier to fit. This is one I'm thinking of running.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/135/926
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
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Posted - 2014.03.23 15:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Speed tanking doesn't work.
Tell that to Lightening.
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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
458
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Posted - 2014.03.23 17:51:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Using knives and not the Matari scout is costing you 25% damage. so what? what does it matter if YOU CANT FIT THE DAMN SCOUT!!!!?? This is what I'm saying, everyone's getting all minja excited, and trying to tell me I'm fitting it wrong or I lose damage, but the point of the post was that:
The min fitting options still suck, is it worth it to switch to a suit with better fitting options, same speed, more HP and stamina all for less damage and hack speed?
And Delt, speed won't be dead in 1.8, faster scouts, more base stamina, changes to ttk and damage, well see but I think your wrong, cuz when I'm running past ten it's hard to shoot me
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:01:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:And Delt, speed won't be dead in 1.8, faster scouts ??? Since when did we get a speed buff in 1.8?
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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
458
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:09:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Speed tanking doesn't work.
Damp, codebreaker, shield extenders, cloak, knives, re's doesn't fit. Yes it does..... downgrade something other than the knives. Edit: I can fit proto knives, std RE's, proto cloak, 3 complexes shield extenders, complex codebreaker and complex dampner, also using an adv pg upgrade. Says YES it does then in the last sentence he cheats with the CPU upgrade lmao, dude I'm talking no upgrades and the WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD was: Speed, stamina , HP vs the 25% damage
The point was to have it do 10.3 plus the 440 stamina, the minja is still gonna be a bytch to fit unless you drop cloak, the ak can match everything and still do 1000 knive damage, run the cloak and have a lot of HP
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DEZKA DIABLO
0uter.Heaven
458
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:12:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:And Delt, speed won't be dead in 1.8, faster scouts ??? Since when did we get a speed buff in 1.8? Increases to stamina so your gonna be faster longer and I'm pretty sure all minmatar got a minor increase, don't quote me on it but I thought I heard this through the grapevine
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