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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:05:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You pay the price of not getting isk or sp when you could be playing non private matches.
I could just practice by afking in the redline if you would prefer that. Samething as a private match with a cost but i take up a player spot on a team. Then practice in the red. That is perfectly fine, as long as there is risk I am totally fine with it.
Lol. Redline and risk in the same statement
"Military training is preferable, but anyone who can fly a plane would be useful."
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1112
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:08:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Make this an 'invite only'
So you and your squad go to the battle finder, and your SL places you guys in 'private match', they invite another squad's SL, and he accepts. The resulting match is a 6v6 or maybe 12v12 match of only people you invite(squad leaders, but still) I love the idea but it has to have risk or non-consensual PVP. What they should do is just give us the option to visit any district we want with whatever stacked team up to 16 that we want, if other mercs show up and ruin our training session then so be it and if not then you got a good training session in. You really hate the idea of practice dont you  Nothing to do with practice. It has to do with being abused by people who just want to play a risk free game. New Eden isn't about that. That is my only problem with it. There shouldn't be safe places to go do what we want.
You dont make isk or sp. Thats enough risk for a PRIVATE MATCH. Its been a FPS standard for some time now 
What your saying is you want to put new players at even more of a disadvantage. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1112
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:09:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You pay the price of not getting isk or sp when you could be playing non private matches.
I could just practice by afking in the redline if you would prefer that. Samething as a private match with a cost but i take up a player spot on a team. Then practice in the red. That is perfectly fine, as long as there is risk I am totally fine with it.
Theres zero risk in the redline. Its why i consider people who sit in the redline afkers. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2104
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:13:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You pay the price of not getting isk or sp when you could be playing non private matches.
I could just practice by afking in the redline if you would prefer that. Samething as a private match with a cost but i take up a player spot on a team. Then practice in the red. That is perfectly fine, as long as there is risk I am totally fine with it. Lol. Redline and risk in the same statement
The risk is being there and not know what is going to happen and if they are in the red practicing in pubs then there is no friendly fire and if they are in FW there is risk of losing a suit to a friendly or to the people you are practicing with. In PC the risk is losing the district.
Did you all not read his post, he wants to play where there is no risk what so ever.
An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
you can rent a server much like Battle Field
Both of those are the exact opposite of what this game and New Eden in general is about. Risk and single shard is what New Eden is about not LOL private servers and unlimited fits.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1112
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:17:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You pay the price of not getting isk or sp when you could be playing non private matches.
I could just practice by afking in the redline if you would prefer that. Samething as a private match with a cost but i take up a player spot on a team. Then practice in the red. That is perfectly fine, as long as there is risk I am totally fine with it. Lol. Redline and risk in the same statement The risk is being there and not know what is going to happen and if they are in the red practicing in pubs then there is no friendly fire and if they are in FW there is risk of losing a suit to a friendly or to the people you are practicing with. In PC the risk is losing the district. Did you all not read his post, he wants to play where there is no risk what so ever. An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match you can rent a server much like Battle Field Both of those are the exact opposite of what this game and New Eden in general is about. Risk and single shard is what New Eden is about not LOL private servers and unlimited fits.
No, new eden is about money and power. Private match gives you non of these. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2104
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:17:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Make this an 'invite only'
So you and your squad go to the battle finder, and your SL places you guys in 'private match', they invite another squad's SL, and he accepts. The resulting match is a 6v6 or maybe 12v12 match of only people you invite(squad leaders, but still) I love the idea but it has to have risk or non-consensual PVP. What they should do is just give us the option to visit any district we want with whatever stacked team up to 16 that we want, if other mercs show up and ruin our training session then so be it and if not then you got a good training session in. You really hate the idea of practice dont you Nothing to do with practice. It has to do with being abused by people who just want to play a risk free game. New Eden isn't about that. That is my only problem with it. There shouldn't be safe places to go do what we want. You dont make isk or sp. Thats enough risk for a PRIVATE MATCH. Its been a FPS standard for some time now What your saying is you want to put new players at even more of a disadvantage.
LOL at FPS standard, I don't care about what other FPSs do because this isn't those games. This game is different and if you want to be risk free then play the standard FPS without any type of lose or reward. Find ONE place in New Eden that is risk free, on a different sever or lets players just have infinite anything besides starter fits/ships. You are breaking the backbone of the game with this type of idea.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1112
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:22:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You dont make isk or sp. Thats enough risk for a PRIVATE MATCH. Its been a FPS standard for some time now What your saying is you want to put new players at even more of a disadvantage. LOL at FPS standard, I don't care about what other FPSs do because this isn't those games. This game is different and if you want to be risk free then play the standard FPS without any type of lose or reward. Find ONE place in New Eden that is risk free, on a different sever or lets players just have infinite anything besides starter fits/ships. You are breaking the backbone of the game with this type of idea.
Redline sniping and redline tanks
Redline snipers are safe 99% of the time.
Redline tanks are safe 100% of the time.
BPOs give you infinite items
Your killing the game by wanting to hurt the NPE
Dust is by no means different, it is a lobby shooter and i dont see that changing anytime soon. And even if it WAS different private matches are still an important part of any decent FPS |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2104
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:41:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You dont make isk or sp. Thats enough risk for a PRIVATE MATCH. Its been a FPS standard for some time now What your saying is you want to put new players at even more of a disadvantage. LOL at FPS standard, I don't care about what other FPSs do because this isn't those games. This game is different and if you want to be risk free then play the standard FPS without any type of lose or reward. Find ONE place in New Eden that is risk free, on a different sever or lets players just have infinite anything besides starter fits/ships. You are breaking the backbone of the game with this type of idea. Redline sniping and redline tanks Redline snipers are safe 99% of the time. Redline tanks are safe 100% of the time. BPOs give you infinite items Your killing the game by wanting to hurt the NPE Dust is by no means different, it is a lobby shooter and i dont see that changing anytime soon. And even if it WAS different private matches are still an important part of any decent FPS
You got me on bpo but there are risks associated with the others. If you are trolling then you are doing an excellent job but if you aren't then you don't understand New Eden. No need to reply because I am considering the rest of these posts to be trolling and won't be checking back or responding any more. If you break the game with an idea like this then NPE is moot.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1112
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Posted - 2014.03.23 07:45:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:You dont make isk or sp. Thats enough risk for a PRIVATE MATCH. Its been a FPS standard for some time now What your saying is you want to put new players at even more of a disadvantage. LOL at FPS standard, I don't care about what other FPSs do because this isn't those games. This game is different and if you want to be risk free then play the standard FPS without any type of lose or reward. Find ONE place in New Eden that is risk free, on a different sever or lets players just have infinite anything besides starter fits/ships. You are breaking the backbone of the game with this type of idea. Redline sniping and redline tanks Redline snipers are safe 99% of the time. Redline tanks are safe 100% of the time. BPOs give you infinite items Your killing the game by wanting to hurt the NPE Dust is by no means different, it is a lobby shooter and i dont see that changing anytime soon. And even if it WAS different private matches are still an important part of any decent FPS You got me on bpo but there are risks associated with the others. If you are trolling then you are doing an excellent job but if you aren't then you don't understand New Eden. No nedd to reply because I am considering the rest of these posts to be trolling and won't be checking back or responding any more. If you break the game with an idea like this then NPE is moot.
Saying private matchs shouldent be in the game shows your lack of understanding of this game
Also
Anytime someone says there not going to reply I read it as "i give up, your right "
I also consider saying "your just a troll!" A form of giving up
Good to know you cant think any any arguments.
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
3028
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Posted - 2014.03.23 09:36:00 -
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SoonGäó
until then you can beg CCP Logibro for a thunderdome match
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Shadow Archeus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.23 11:51:00 -
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I'd still have you lose gear....but I would have the isk payout be 50-75% of the gear you ran.....or make it cost 500k isk to start the match....
There's a way to do it and do it fairly....
+1
Real heavies use lasers
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Defy Gravity
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
325
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Posted - 2014.03.23 16:27:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Dexter307 wrote:DEA Scott Richardson wrote:Mabey if you lose your stuff other than that im cool with it. No, you shouldent lose stuff in private matches No lose your stuff, just because you want to practice or just play around doesn't mean you should play for free. Don't pay ISK and don't award SP/WP but the cost of training should be there. No more free rides. We don't need a COD simulator. bad logic is bad. Bad retort is bad. We need private matches so players can just break off from the rest of the community with no consequence of loss or way to touch them? We don't need to enable people to be able to go play their own game, this is New Eden and if you want to practice it should come with a price and losing something during a practice session is perfectly fine.
Yeah and thats sort of another way of why we need private matches.
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CaoticFox
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2014.03.23 16:28:00 -
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KZ3 was the schit... *sigh...
Im on the FORUMS because im P!$$ED off @ the game.
as of 1920 CST USA 02-03-14 i have...
53,765,260 SP
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4592
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Posted - 2014.03.23 16:34:00 -
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Simulation battles
No gear lost, no ISK won, no meaning except the option of betting on fights.
Add a spectator mode, or at least the option to record (and share) fights in the simulator.
Also, as has been requested since the removal, BRING BACK CORP BATTLES. |
Defy Gravity
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
326
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Posted - 2014.03.23 17:14:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Simulation battles
No gear lost, no ISK won, no meaning except the option of betting on fights.
Add a spectator mode, or at least the option to record (and share) fights in the simulator.
Also, as has been requested since the removal, BRING BACK CORP BATTLES.
Yea I want corp battles back to 
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Albyat Tyre
Glitched Connection
6
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Posted - 2014.03.23 17:53:00 -
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Simple idea that may please both side: the money for everything you lose comes out of the Corp money
if a Corp is wanting to train or have fun ,the money comes right out of all that money from the Corp tax
So there is now a loss and player get their seemingly free suits |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7602
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Posted - 2014.03.23 17:57:00 -
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As long as it's mainly used for training purposes I have no problem with this. No SP and no ISK earned. Just practice.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Defy Gravity
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
326
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:20:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:As long as it's mainly used for training purposes I have no problem with this. No SP and no ISK earned. Just practice.
Thats primarily what im going for.... But it coud also be used for sparing with your friends.. :)
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
246
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:42:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
Even fairy dust (no pun intended) has it cost.
Any no cost match should be single player only against AI. When another player is involved stuff is consumed, otherwise people would play only those private matches, as there weren't enough KDR padders out there... |
DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
246
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:44:00 -
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Albyat Tyre wrote:Simple idea that may please both side: the money for everything you lose comes out of the Corp money
if a Corp is wanting to train or have fun ,the money comes right out of all that money from the Corp tax
So there is now a loss and player get their seemingly free suits
Yup, auto refunds could be one thing, although something would be needed to not make it exploitable (eg. proto fits ruining the corp wallet within minutes) |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7603
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:47:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
Even fairy dust (no pun intended) has it cost. Any no cost match should be single player only against AI. When another player is involved stuff is consumed, otherwise people would play only those private matches, as there weren't enough KDR padders out there...
An exception should be made for player-run corps that want to practice ahead of time for any future attack or defense. Eve Online players do this all the time in the Singularity Test server. Though they do consume items, those items aren't valuable by any means since everything in the test server is 100 ISK (even a Titan is 100 ISK in that server) and wallets are fat in there. In the case of Dust, you can have the lore mention this as some kind of VR training exercise.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
PAND3M0N1UM
Lokun Listamenn
286
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:55:00 -
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Bump
FAME
Click for Vehicle Support
Click for Recruitment
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
246
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Posted - 2014.03.23 18:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
Even fairy dust (no pun intended) has it cost. Any no cost match should be single player only against AI. When another player is involved stuff is consumed, otherwise people would play only those private matches, as there weren't enough KDR padders out there... An exception should be made for player-run corps that want to practice ahead of time for any future attack or defense. Eve Online players do this all the time in the Singularity Test server. Though they do consume items, those items aren't valuable by any means since everything in the test server is 100 ISK (even a Titan is 100 ISK in that server) and wallets are fat in there. In the case of Dust, you can have the lore mention this as some kind of VR training exercise.
I still fear that it will result in people playing the game within the game instead of Dust, what's the rationale for players to play pub/fw/pc matches where they can lose stuff and standings if they can get some pew pew without consequences?
The concept of consequences is still hard to grasp for about 90% of the playerbase here (all hail the respec threads for example), this would make it even harder.
Gear isn't that hard to reimburse when doing practice matches for any serious corp, making a "play for free the entire time" button is IMHO bad.
But that's just my two euro cents, but if they would implement that VR mode please make it corp only (so no outside corps and members). I'd opt for a proper gladiator arena mode over VR. |
Defy Gravity
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
326
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
Even fairy dust (no pun intended) has it cost. Any no cost match should be single player only against AI. When another player is involved stuff is consumed, otherwise people would play only those private matches, as there weren't enough KDR padders out there... An exception should be made for player-run corps that want to practice ahead of time for any future attack or defense. Eve Online players do this all the time in the Singularity Test server. Though they do consume items, those items aren't valuable by any means since everything in the test server is 100 ISK (even a Titan is 100 ISK in that server) and wallets are fat in there. In the case of Dust, you can have the lore mention this as some kind of VR training exercise.
Valid Point +1
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7609
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Posted - 2014.03.24 05:05:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:DeeJay One wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:An unlimited stock of your fittings in a private match
Even fairy dust (no pun intended) has it cost. Any no cost match should be single player only against AI. When another player is involved stuff is consumed, otherwise people would play only those private matches, as there weren't enough KDR padders out there... An exception should be made for player-run corps that want to practice ahead of time for any future attack or defense. Eve Online players do this all the time in the Singularity Test server. Though they do consume items, those items aren't valuable by any means since everything in the test server is 100 ISK (even a Titan is 100 ISK in that server) and wallets are fat in there. In the case of Dust, you can have the lore mention this as some kind of VR training exercise. I still fear that it will result in people playing the game within the game instead of Dust, what's the rationale for players to play pub/fw/pc matches where they can lose stuff and standings if they can get some pew pew without consequences? The concept of consequences is still hard to grasp for about 90% of the playerbase here (all hail the respec threads for example), this would make it even harder. Gear isn't that hard to reimburse when doing practice matches for any serious corp, making a "play for free the entire time" button is IMHO bad. But that's just my two euro cents, but if they would implement that VR mode please make it corp only (so no outside corps and members). I'd opt for a proper gladiator arena mode over VR.
If you're concern is that players will just use the VR training (aka private matches) as some kind of CoD-style matchmaking or whatchyamacallit then I don't see that happening mainly because there is nothing to gain from this. No SP gained, no ISK earned, no salvage acquired, no standings increase, no LP earned, nothing. Not even a KDR increase. Just a simple corp-run match that doesn't impact anything in the grand scheme of things. There is no incentive other than to just gain actual battlefield experience and how to better coordinate with your team.
But if you're still concerned about it, then I guess it wouldn't hurt to make items consumables in those private matches but then you'll have to take away the whole VR aspect of it because... well... let's be serious. Who the hell loses a physical item in a virtual reality experience? In that case, this should encourage player-run corporations to setup something that is equal to what us Eve Online players call the Ship Replacement Program or SRP. In the case of Dust, it would be the Suit Replacement Program. SRPs often setup like the following in Eve:
1. 100% reimbursement of the value of the ship as long as it was within fleet doctrine*.
2. Partial or 100% reimbursement of the mineral value of the ship** if it wasn't within fleet doctrine.
3. Modules fitted onto ships are not covered by the SRP. Only the ship hull itself is covered.
* - For those of you not in the know, Fleet Doctrine is a term used in Eve Online to describe an established standard of what type of ship setup to being into the fleet so that the fleet operates as effectively and as efficiency as possible. Example: A fleet consisting entirely of Amarr Ships with emphasis on laser turrets and armor tanking.
** - The value of the minerals used to produce the ship. Please note this does NOT include Tech 2 components used for the production of the ship if the ship happens to be one of those highly specialized ones. Example: If you lose a Jaguar, you will only be covered for the mineral portion of the ship, but not the Tech 2 portion of it which is often really expensive compared to the minerals.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2109
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Posted - 2014.03.24 05:30:00 -
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I tried yesterday to say that a private server or consequence-less are not good for New Eden but it isn't even worth trying anymore. Because I am just a vet that only wants to stomp noobs in pubs with protofits.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Albyat Tyre
Glitched Connection
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:59:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Albyat Tyre wrote:Simple idea that may please both side: the money for everything you lose comes out of the Corp money
if a Corp is wanting to train or have fun ,the money comes right out of all that money from the Corp tax
So there is now a loss and player get their seemingly free suits Yup, auto refunds could be one thing, although something would be needed to not make it exploitable (eg. proto fits ruining the corp wallet within minutes)
The Corp can deal with their own people
If your in a private match for training then why are you running proto?
And if a guys does do that just make him reimburse the money or punish him as the Corp sees fit |
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