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Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 218	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:19:00 - [1] - Quote now i was ont eh oceania server in ambush all by myslef. (right after dt when no one is on) i was bored so i decided to make some fun of my own. now heres what i found. you can deploy 10 LAVS.....yes 10. befor the limit caps out. 8 dropships 6 tanks. now. imagine if 10 lavs were all running about form the same side. all carrying heavys with hmg's. or.......8 assault dropships with xt missiles. or.........this is a given. tank spam. my idea is reduce vehicle limits to these values. 6 lavs. 4 dropships 2 to 3 tanks.
843 nerfnut96 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 218	Posted - 2014.03.22 04:29:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Capt. Nerfnut96 // Ranking Officer // War Director // Burgezz ETF
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 468	Posted - 2014.03.22 06:07:00 - [3] - Quote This. The only problem with HAVs right now is that they-¦re spammable. TOLD514
Mishra's Dragon Dark Side Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:23:00 - [4] - Quote I do like this idea of reducing the number of vehicles. However, I would also propose to make the HAVs more expensive either ISK wise or SP wise. It's not right when I have to spend 80 thousand ISK (Advanced standard Amarr Heavy with 2 Complex Damage Modifiers and a Kal Forge Gun) with all those SP put into them as well to take out your barely 40 thousand ISK tank with militia hardeners that takes no SP to get. Join the Dark Side Alliance, we have cookies and milk~ Mishy the Sentinal loves logi attentions <3
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 854	Posted - 2014.03.22 07:33:00 - [5] - Quote Mishra's Dragon wrote: I do like this idea of reducing the number of vehicles. However, I would also propose to make the HAVs more expensive either ISK wise or SP wise. It's not right when I have to spend 80 thousand ISK (Advanced standard Amarr Heavy with 2 Complex Damage Modifiers and a Kal Forge Gun) with all those SP put into them as well to take out your barely 40 thousand ISK tank with militia hardeners that takes no SP to get. This argument will be reversed when the specialized vehicles are released so I say go for ISK. @OP: If there is fewer tanks then it would be your own teams fault for not being able to deal with them so I have to say +1. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 225	Posted - 2014.03.22 08:39:00 - [6] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Mishra's Dragon wrote: I do like this idea of reducing the number of vehicles. However, I would also propose to make the HAVs more expensive either ISK wise or SP wise. It's not right when I have to spend 80 thousand ISK (Advanced standard Amarr Heavy with 2 Complex Damage Modifiers and a Kal Forge Gun) with all those SP put into them as well to take out your barely 40 thousand ISK tank with militia hardeners that takes no SP to get. This argument will be reversed when the specialized vehicles are released so I say go for ISK. @OP: If there is fewer tanks then it would be your own teams fault for not being able to deal with them so I have to say +1. one of my other ideas with vehicles is. you call them in but there is a timer of 1 min. the person with the most sp or isk sinked tank has thiers deployed first then the person with the 2nd most sp/or 2nd most expensive vehicle. that way millita tanks are deployed last and prevents people with no sp investment from deploying befor a skilled vehicle user.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.03.22 08:44:00 - [7] - Quote +1
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 936	Posted - 2014.03.22 10:27:00 - [8] - Quote My problem with this, is how do we stop people from clogging up the vehicle limit with cheap vehicles, blocking the dedicated vehicle pilots from deploying their vehicles? I am for the OP's suggestion if we can iron out this wrinkle. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2532	Posted - 2014.03.22 10:46:00 - [9] - Quote With LAV's i could live cause thats the only thing that swarms can kill right now. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San 287	Posted - 2014.03.22 12:42:00 - [10] - Quote Beeeees wrote: This. The only problem with HAVs right now is that they-¦re spammable. debatable. only takes one rail tank to sit in the red line.. Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)

neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:03:00 - [11] - Quote I would say go off a point system. Ea team has 12 vehicle points. when expended, no more vehicles can spawn LAV's - 2 pts Dropships - 3 pts HAV's - 4 pts
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 7	Posted - 2014.03.22 23:28:00 - [12] - Quote neolutumus wrote: I would say go off a point system. Ea team has 12 vehicle points. when expended, no more vehicles can spawn LAV's - 2 pts Dropships - 3 pts HAV's - 4 pts I like the idea. How about having different delivery times for vehicles or a combination of the points system and delivery times? It would make sense that the heavier the vehicle the slower the Bolas can deliver them. LAV 5 sec? Dropship 10 sec? HAV 20 sec? That way when a team needs to call in HAV's they have to sacrifice precious time that could be used to capture objectives. -Marcus
neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2014.03.23 00:02:00 - [13] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: How about having different delivery times for vehicles or a combination of the points system and delivery times? It would make sense that the heavier the vehicle the slower the Bolas can deliver them. LAV 5 sec? Dropship 10 sec? HAV 20 sec? That way when a team needs to call in HAV's they have to sacrifice precious time that could be used to capture objectives. -Marcus I agree, and good idea. Again, the only issue is ppl spamming lav's to block out the use of tanks. I'd also say ea squad has a dedicated amount of points so that ppl running solo get a delay on vehicle orders, and additional delay for those that have already spawned in a vehicle (15-30 sec)
Mobius Wyvern ahrendee mercenaries 4891	Posted - 2014.03.23 04:45:00 - [14] - Quote 12-vehicle limit with 32 players, which will go up to 24-vehicle limit with 48 players. There is no need for any adjustment. /thread Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1926	Posted - 2014.03.23 06:13:00 - [15] - Quote 1: Depends; Do I get to call out mine first (say a 15 second timer since I have a maxed out pilot as a main)? If so, fine. If not, no. 2: I'll just leave this here click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 228	Posted - 2014.03.23 14:23:00 - [16] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: Depends; Do I get to call out mine first (say a 15 second timer since I have a maxed out pilot as a main)? If so, fine. If not, no. 2: I'll just leave this here if you have more sp sinked into vehicles than the other guy. you get priority over him. also the cost of the vehicle should play a facotr. so. if you have more sp sinked into vheicles/more expensive vehicle thanthe other guy your vehicle comes first.
MRBH1997 Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 84	Posted - 2014.03.23 18:24:00 - [17] - Quote Mishra's Dragon wrote: I do like this idea of reducing the number of vehicles. However, I would also propose to make the HAVs more expensive either ISK wise or SP wise. It's not right when I have to spend 80 thousand ISK (Advanced standard Amarr Heavy with 2 Complex Damage Modifiers and a Kal Forge Gun) with all those SP put into them as well to take out your barely 40 thousand ISK tank with militia hardeners that takes no SP to get. It's not ISK or SP increases that are needed, CCP removed the differences between militia and proto mods in efficiency. Only difference is recharge time. They also removed the module restriction where you could only have one type of a active module per fitting so you couldn't put on double hardeners and other modules aswell. CEO of Knights of Ender Corporation Website: http://koe.shivtr.com Public Channel: Knights of Ender Public
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 519	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:12:00 - [18] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: now i was ont eh oceania server in ambush all by myslef. (right after dt when no one is on) i was bored so i decided to make some fun of my own. now heres what i found. you can deploy 10 LAVS.....yes 10. befor the limit caps out. 8 dropships 6 tanks. now. imagine if 10 lavs were all running about form the same side. all carrying heavys with hmg's. or.......8 assault dropships with xt missiles. or.........this is a given. tank spam. my idea is reduce vehicle limits to these values. 6 lavs. 4 dropships 2 to 3 tanks. now imagine that both sides had the potential to do this. symmetry is practically the definition of balance. Thr33 is the magic number.
neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2	Posted - 2014.03.24 01:41:00 - [19] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: if you have more sp sinked into vehicles than the other guy. you get priority over him. also the cost of the vehicle should play a facotr. so. if you have more sp sinked into vheicles/more expensive vehicle thanthe other guy your vehicle comes first. Why not implement a skill with vehicle command that ensures you get your vehicle first (ie lvl 5 would get spawn before lower levels, and equal 5's would depend on first come first serve)
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 864	Posted - 2014.03.24 03:45:00 - [20] - Quote With these ideas I am actually considering the idea of removing the MLT vehicles. This would automatically insure that the spammers stop spamming. Only issue is that dropships would be a bigger threat. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!

Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 169	Posted - 2014.03.24 03:50:00 - [21] - Quote Beeeees wrote: This. The only problem with HAVs right now is that they-¦re spammable. That, and the fact that they're cheap doesn't help. Bout the only other problem would be people that run around with only a rifle and don't even think of their "Anti-Armor" fit. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Mishra's Dragon Dark Side Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.03.24 04:18:00 - [22] - Quote Soldier Sorajord wrote: Beeeees wrote: This. The only problem with HAVs right now is that they-¦re spammable. That, and the fact that they're cheap doesn't help. Bout the only other problem would be people that run around with only a rifle and don't even think of their "Anti-Armor" fit. Umm, hell, like I mentioned in my post: It doesn't help when my Forge Gun fit costs 80K ISK and their OP militia shite tank only costs 40K ISK. Join the Dark Side Alliance, we have cookies and milk~ Mishy the Sentinal loves logi attentions <3
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.03.24 06:25:00 - [23] - Quote The only problem i see with vehicles is that not enoufgh players are using them. Gunnlogi out there ??? 2 militia railguntanks can pop it. 2 madrugars??? 2 militia railguns can pop them. But no one is using them they are cheap they dont require SP.everyone can use them.
Mishra's Dragon Dark Side Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.03.24 15:50:00 - [24] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: The only problem i see with vehicles is that not enoufgh players are using them. Gunnlogi out there ??? 2 militia railguntanks can pop it. 2 madrugars??? 2 militia railguns can pop them. But no one is using them they are cheap they dont require SP.everyone can use them. Well, the problem is that some of us don't want to have to go around in a turtled out tank. I for one, feel like it is almost cowardly to hide in a no SP required militia cheap tank to get easy kills, which is why I spec into proto Forge Guns to take them out. Join the Dark Side Alliance, we have cookies and milk~ Mishy the Sentinal loves logi attentions <3


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