I thought of a amazing AV for for 1.8...

-Scout
Equipment: cloak and advanced RE
-swarms
-SMG
-AV or flux grenades


Step 1: find a tank
Step 2: turn on cloak, wait for it to come close.
Step 3. Get behind the tank, load it with REs
Step 4. Boom. Finish with swarms

Just an idea.

I'm really not looking forward to 1.8 now. AV is getting nerfed...period. Doesn't matter whether the nerf is soley for AV or not. AV is still getting nerfed. Heavies, if their HP is not lowered, will be practically invincible b/c they are fixing TTK supposedly. Now I deal less damage to 2k HP heavies...yay! Drop ships are going to be more succesful simply b/c breach forges with stacked damage mods are useles...again back to AV. But hey, we have cloaks right? :P

I mean, you also have the issue with drop uplinks. Domination is FAST if the null doesn't change hands often. The whole key to Dom is uplink placement. Now, It is going to take an average of 1.5 times longer to spawn in? So basically whoever gets the null first with a reasonable size party and is proto is going to keep it.

I am one who is against it . I believe A.V. grenades should be the exception . Keep FG's at their current level and increase SL range . If you increase the range you don't have to increase the DPS seeing as how one would be able to gain a lock sooner ( Kill the hard lock on the specialist and assault ) , so that will allow for more SL rounds to be administered . As one goes up the tiers their SL gains more DPS anyway so adding extra DPS would just bring us back to 1.6 .

Swarms also need more speed.

On my alt today, I threw three AV grenades at an unhardened Sica and brought it down to low shield / armor. It had three sets of swarms chasing after it as it sped off 50 meters over a hill and escaped our swarms.

Let's also not mention the Viper that also managed to escape and outrun the three of us again (same battle) in low armor.

So swarms need increased range and more speed.

AV grenades should be kept at three.

Forge guns are fine (I can only speak from the receiving end). I think it's fair that it takes three forge shots to put my Gunnlogi into very low shield (unhardened) if I have an extender fitted. Let's see how 1.8 will play out.

If CCP severely hampers the dual hardener bitches two AV nades might be sufficient enough if 3 ppl throw them it will be approx 900 proto nades x 6, most of the tanks flee with that kind of damage without hardeners. There is definitly a problem with Tank harderners and effectiveness of forges and swarms. If the last two receives 20% buffs we might get to an even playing field.

OMG!

You're RIGHT!

I never realised that Nanohives and Damage Mods were exclusively designed for AV, and that nobody playing as anti-infantry would ever want to use them for their own weapons!



Yes, the damage mod thing will be a problem if the (already borderline UP) primary AV weapons aren't buffed. And yes, Swarms are more than just borderline, they need a buff even before considering the change to damage mods. But no, the Hive change isn't a direct nerf to AV. It's a nerf to anyone filling that aspect of the Logistics role, even on the level of only resupplying themselves. And no, a nerf to infantry in general and a nerf to AV Grenades are NOT an AV nerf.

Most AV needed a buff before these changes, and most AV will need more of a buff if it doesn't come with 1.8 already. But this is NOT a direct nerf to AV.

Also, the fact that I specifically chose to refer to the comment about AV Grenades doesn't negate the possibility of me reading your other points as well. I chose that point because you'd focused a lot of attention on it, not only in the OP, but in replies to people adding their thoughts.

The problem with these simple calls for buffing AV to balance AV vs Tanks is that it will again throw off the balance for Dropships, which is for the first time in quite awhile in a pretty good and fair spot.

Slowing tank's top speed down so that us AV users actually have enough time to put the damage onto them needed to drop them would be a much better solution, and would also require tankers to actually think and play more tactically. The real issue with tanks is that they are just too fast, so once their hardeners run down, they can usually just run off into the redline and out of the range of AV weapons before anyone could put lethal damage onto them.

I also think Armor/Shield Hardeners should be limited to one per vehicle so that they can't be stacked and toggled.

A 20% reduction on speed and a 1 hardener cap would completely balance tanks IMO.

I believe the following is what needs to be done in total in order to properly balance AV vs Vehicles. Again, I believe everything here needs to be done or something very similar.

1) Decrease vehicle turret damage by 10% as a whole.

2) Max resistance to damage should not exceed 70% but I would prefer 60%. So Double hardners aren't as effective as they have been. If 3 people are launching a 12k effective damage on a drop ship and all of them hit then there should be at least 3.6k damage at a minimum. Another option is to have a minimum damage taken. For example, a tank can never take less than 90 damage from each swarm missle or something to that effect applied to FG's as well in proportion to the damage per projectile.

3) There should be a speed cap on every vehicle except LAV's

4) If AV grenades are seriously going down to 2 for clip size then I believe they should get a 20% damage buff.

5) Increase swarm speed to about 1.3x. it just needs a little boost tbh.

6) Increase damage for Swarm launchers by 10% OR Increase total missles by 1 or 2.

7) Increase effective HP for Dropships by 10%.

8) Damage mods for vehicles need the same nerf that Infantry Damage Mods are getting

9) A maximum Damage per shot/projectile for all vehicles. Stacking damage mods on blasters and rail turrets is getting ridiculous.

Optional stuff:

1) Normal weapons should have a bit more effect against vehicles. I believe that they should bring back normal weapons causing shields to not recharge. At least create a penalty of .01% increase in delay for every bullet. If 3 people are firing HMG's at a tank then it should never get it's shields back IMO.

2) Remove Proximity RE alerts to tankers.


I would not change PG/CPU requirements.

As an additional note, I run Proto AV grenades. If I throw three at an LAV that is unmanned, I usually take it out after the shields are gone. So I don't quite understand how some people have so much difficulty with them.

All you are doing is nerfing and buffing.....not tweaking.