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Posted - 2014.03.21 19:37:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Delta 749 wrote:I like how you rant about people not using AV when AV is broken and I dont mean UP I mean some of it is fundamentally broken and then you whine about people using militia tanks instead of AV when tanks are better for tank busting and cheaper as well
But hey, blame everyone else, its not you using something broken as a crutch And it seems like your mad that you can't solo a tank anymore . Now does this sound like children arguing or can the adults come out to have a discussion? Insisting that you shouldn't be soloed is childish as well, simply because you belive that you should be better than anyone who's not like you.
That's also racism (in a sense).
You've also yet to supply a solid reason as to why you shouldn't be soloed.
AV > HAV > INF > AV | Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.03.22 00:08:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:People complaining about tanks have started a mass wave of militia HAV deployment in a effort to have HAV's reduced in their place on the battlefield . Every other post is about tanks and now there are people who just start a " Rant " post ( which is not spotted by CCP for some reason ) just for the simple fact of " forcing the hand " of CCP in an attempt at killing HAV's so they won't provide any opposition on the battlefield . And I encourage this.
By doing so, they point out that there is an obvious problem with them. I've yet to see any AV claim that they want vehicles to provide no opposition on the battlefield.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I'm even noticing " Tankers " making comments , suggesting to nerf their own roles .. which to me is counterproductive . Asking to change the performance of mods is foolish and would effect a change in the vehicle core of the skill tree , seeing as how ... the more skill points placed in the core the better the results of mods , i.e. better functionality of vehicles . Notice I say vehicles and not just HAV's because mods effect more than just HAV's , they effect LAV's , Drop ships and what ever else CCP has plans for which probably would include Mech's , Fighter Ships and such .
Perhaps they are doing so because they realize there is an imbalance and know that if they keep brown-nosing people claiming HAVs are OP (despite all of the evidence presented against them) they will receive the nerf-hammer, which I can tell your afraid of.
However, everyone has acknowledged the fact that adjusting the modules will have a effect on LAVs and A/DSs as well. That is why I am pushing to separate all vehicle modules into light and heavy categories, so we can make the balancing process easier.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Yes , something needs to be done but like CCP , it's a work in progress and writing twenty pieces a day about it will not make them work fast enough because it's safe to say that , they probably will not want to go threw this again .
I don't see to many people switching to A.V. to combat " tank spam " , in match after match I notice this but also notice the posts full of complaints about tank use . Most of these said people who flood the forum with post after post , instead of just placing all of their " issues " on one post and that mimic's propaganda . I play matches and notice not too many people breaking their necks to dedicate themselves to A.V. , much less switching if it's a noticeable problem during the match and if there are enough tanks to cause a distraction , wouldn't one believe that players would make such an effort because that's untold WP's to be had and also it really only takes a few times of destroying some of these players HAV's ( except those who are dedicated to HAV usage ) to make these same people swap out to something less taxing , even if militia HAV's are " dirt cheep " they would not want to risk isk's or clones .
That statement is an antecdote, but I'll bite down anyways.
No, that is not "untold WP to be had. Killing an HAV only yields 200WP (assuming the driver doesn't jump out like a b!tch). Your working inside a suit that costs over 200k, while having minimal effectiveness against vehicles.
This is New Eden. With risk, comes reward. If you aren't being rewarded for your risk, (200WP is not rewarding when your dying multiple times in 235k ISK).
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The problem is not HAV users it's the wave of players using militia tanks to gank WP's , isk's and the fact that they know that players " DO NOT SWITCH FITS TO COUNTER TANKS " most of the time ... so they go unchecked and the QQ's rain down in the forums . That coupled with the fact that you have players who just hate to see others " out perform " them , even more so the fact that they believe that CCP has a " bullseye " on nerfing their role and you get the hate spam that is " en mass " in the forums
Something can be done but blurting out ignorant , role and skill point killing proposals just waste time . The best way to solve a problem is to act seriously about it and " come to the table " with some substantial fixes in mind and not just some , " You killed me now I'm going to kill your role " attitude because that's what the forum has been flooded with so far .
If serious discussions are undertaken then I'm sure that will bring about serious results .
I switch to a fit when vehicles arrive. It's galled [Gunnlogi] 80GJ Particle Cannon.
Nobody is proposing something that kills a role, nor is there anyone (that I know of) who is calling for an eye-to-eye nerf. Though ironically you were one of the first ones to propose a nerf that would kill AV.
Would you like it if my Swarm Launcher outperformed your 80GJ Railguns?
Also, before you call me a child for disagreeing with you, I figured I should put this out in the open.
I am also a pilot. I've been using HAVs and LLAVs since Uprising 1.3, despite them being 'underpowered'. If you want to look at things time and SP wise, I'm actually more of a pilot than I am an AVer.
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AV > HAV > INF > AV | Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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