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Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 466	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote Haha, sorry nerds your tanks are OP and are getting nerfed. Enjoy your sperg mobiles now; soon the nerf~~bat~~sledgehammer cometh.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8520	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:28:00 - [2] - Quote Who is still trying to defend HAV after that. You can't argue against facts, and the fact is as I understand it, is that Swarms do not deal their full damage. As a Tanker I cannot argue against that, and I advocate and look forwards to their fix so we can actually work on Balance AV and HAV. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1515	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:31:00 - [3] - Quote With the AV nerfs a tank Nerf is inevitable. Its a shame because tank warfare was its own division of the game. Slightly modifying AV would have fixed the problem but whatev I have everything so who cares? Who wants some?
Supernus Gigas sNk Syndicate 519	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:32:00 - [4] - Quote Quit trying to stir up drama. I haven't seen anybody trying to argue against Judge's findings in either of the threads about his Swarm Launcher video. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8520	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:37:00 - [5] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: With the AV nerfs a tank Nerf is inevitable. Its a shame because tank warfare was its own division of the game. Slightly modifying AV would have fixed the problem but whatev I have everything so who cares? Indeed I would like to see slight progressive advances on the AV damage model....not much is really required right now. Other balancing aspects could be a set reduction of Hardener rates %50% for shield and 35% for armour. Increased fitting costs of hardeners. etc. TWEAKS are needed not nerfs. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 468	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Quit trying to stir up drama. I haven't seen anybody trying to argue against Judge's findings in either of the threads about his Swarm Launcher video. Oh so, these posts made today aren't real then: Crow Splat wrote: So OP is mad because tankers suggested you work as a team in a game that places you on a team by default and forces you to fight an opposing team in every game mode? Did I get that right? Why is the concept of running in a group so offensive? This guy has the solution: AV NADES YO CLONE117 wrote: thats where av nades would come in. you use them for supplemental damage to take out the shields the 3rd will take out the last of the somas shields and should hit for around 500 armor damage. as the av nades do bonus damage to armor. damage per volley is however higher than av nade damage. thus using the nades first increases total over all damage to the tank. allowing u to kill with less over all ammo used. and faster. im sure a reload is bound to be required with mlt and std level swarms though. but that only ups the skill needed to take one down solo. with adv swarms it can be done with 3 std av nades and one clip. all on a cheap default mlt fit. if tank has hardeners more than likely the attempt will fail if he activates them and runs off. though most tanks ive killed this way either try to run away and fail. or the driver will jump out. thats when i switch to smg and kill him that way. the more common scenario on the other hand. is the tank will stand still and do nothing. probably in shock or something idk... "We totally didn't know how powerful and OP we were guise and I havent been tanking at all, I promise": knight of 6 wrote: this is news to tankers as much as it is to AV specialists. we weren't lying at any point though you do need to gang up on tanks "cause swarms are busted as ****" is apparently the bit that we were missing. tankers are gamers too, they want broken mechanics exactly as much as you do (not at all). I have a blaster gunnlogi that has been collecting dust because tanking isn't fun anymore. balance is fun imbalance isn't.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8522	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:51:00 - [7] - Quote Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 468	Posted - 2014.03.20 23:57:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. Generalization is, in fact, a thing I enjoy doing. That aside, your tanking peers do represent you just a tidbit. Example: you defending tankers by trying to silence me ITT. Sorry but the word is out. Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. I can't wait for that day so I'll start right now. Ahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahshahshahahha gasp hhahahahahahahhaahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha!
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:02:00 - [9] - Quote im here to say that in a month or so il be giving my input on the tank situation with dust 514 since im a retired tanker I can see the point of view of tankers and now that I am a infantry guy in charge of my own corporation, il be giving a view on both of those sides. but before then im gona be getting my stuff together. later all Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8523	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: True Adamance wrote: Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. Generalization is, in fact, a thing I enjoy doing. That aside, your tanking peers do represent you just a tidbit. Example: you trying to silence me ITT. Sorry but the word is out. Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. I can't wait for that day so I'll start right now. Ahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahshahshahahha gasp hhahahahahahahhaahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha! I'm not trying to silence you. How could I? Merely trying to point out that I am no represented by the more extreme aspect of the HAV community. I have my own ideas and thoughts surrounding HAV/AV balance and wish to dialogue with other such players who feel balance needs to be achieve by finding a middle ground, and are not inclined to make such short sighted demands as buffs of nerfs or resort to name calling. Regardless of whether or not HAV are OP, UP, or balanced I will still use them. I mean I started tanking in the Dog Days of 1.3 in Soma's against Proto Ion Maddy, invisible forgers and swarmers exploiting my inability to see past 50m, and general lack of durability for their ISK cost. Seems like you are not the person to talk balance with..... Bad troll 2/10 Poor Effort "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8523	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:04:00 - [11] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: im here to say that in a month or so il be giving my input on the tank situation with dust 514 since im a retired tanker I can see the point of view of tankers and now that I am a infantry guy in charge of my own corporation, il be giving a view on both of those sides. but before then im gona be getting my stuff together. later all Would you be willing to skype sometime and discuss those ideas.? "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2070	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:04:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Who is still trying to defend HAV after that? Infact this isnt an issue about HAV at all. Its an issue of AV balance that affects the entire AV and vehicle community. You can't argue against facts, and the fact is as I understand it, is that Swarms do not deal their full damage. As a Tanker I cannot argue against that, and I advocate and look forwards to their fix so we can actually work on Balance AV and HAV. I know... yes "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. well, tanks were like that from open beta to 1.7 so tankers have been useless for nearly a year till 1.7 hit. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8523	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:07:00 - [14] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. well, tanks were like that from open beta to 1.7 so tankers have been useless for nearly a year till 1.7 hit. You mean Uprising right? I wasn't a tanker back in Chromo but I hear those were pretty good days....despite developing and intense fear of one particular Marauder pilot who now is in Nyain San. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:08:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: im here to say that in a month or so il be giving my input on the tank situation with dust 514 since im a retired tanker I can see the point of view of tankers and now that I am a infantry guy in charge of my own corporation, il be giving a view on both of those sides. but before then im gona be getting my stuff together. later all Would you be willing to skype sometime and discuss those ideas.? sorry no Skype, iv had trouble with Microsoft's settings and **** since I got this windows 8 computer. il give you another way of contacting me, but in game is not an option, im still not in the dorm yet so I have no internet for my playstation. email: [email protected] please include your dust514 name in the subject so I know who you are Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 203	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:12:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. well, tanks were like that from open beta to 1.7 so tankers have been useless for nearly a year till 1.7 hit. You mean Uprising right? I wasn't a tanker back in Chromo but I hear those were pretty good days....despite developing and intense fear of one particular Marauder pilot who now is in Nyain San. well, yeah. since uprising was brought into existence until 1.7 tanks were near uselessness. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1703	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:12:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Who is still trying to defend HAV after that? Nyain San SVER Taki Spkr
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8528	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:13:00 - [18] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. well, tanks were like that from open beta to 1.7 so tankers have been useless for nearly a year till 1.7 hit. You mean Uprising right? I wasn't a tanker back in Chromo but I hear those were pretty good days....despite developing and intense fear of one particular Marauder pilot who now is in Nyain San. well, yeah. since uprising was brought into existence until 1.7 tanks were near uselessness. Yeah it used to suck big time. I dropped from 120 Mill to 40 Mill just trying to learn to tank....people were not friendly to newbie tank pilots. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8528	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:15:00 - [19] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: True Adamance wrote: Who is still trying to defend HAV after that? Nyain San SVER Taki Spkr IE- the extremists of the community whose opinions are ....controversial to say the least and cannot be relied upon to discuss impartially without breaking down discussion into pointless arguments and name calling. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 203	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:18:00 - [20] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Nyain San- everyone knows they spam whatever the most op weapons in the game is, they made their name that way. SVER- annoying kids who need to grow up Taki- forgot who this guy was Spkr- nobody, not even other tankers besides taki respects him. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8531	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:21:00 - [21] - Quote Well I did my job. Not all HAV pilots are Spkr...... people should know that. Balance is desired from our side of the community....I certainly hope I am not alone in this. I'm out. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 203	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:24:00 - [22] - Quote ok then, il talk to you later adamance, il be waiting on your email. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1789	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:32:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: True Adamance wrote: Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. Generalization is, in fact, a thing I enjoy doing. That aside, your tanking peers do represent you just a tidbit. Example: you trying to silence me ITT. Sorry but the word is out. Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. I can't wait for that day so I'll start right now. Ahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahshahshahahha gasp hhahahahahahahhaahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha! I'm not trying to silence you. How could I? Merely trying to point out that I am no represented by the more extreme aspect of the HAV community. I have my own ideas and thoughts surrounding HAV/AV balance and wish to dialogue with other such players who feel balance needs to be achieve by finding a middle ground, and are not inclined to make such short sighted demands as buffs of nerfs or resort to name calling. Regardless of whether or not HAV are OP, UP, or balanced I will still use them. I mean I started tanking in the Dog Days of 1.3 in Soma's against Proto Ion Maddy, invisible forgers and swarmers exploiting my inability to see past 50m, and general lack of durability for their ISK cost. Seems like you are not the person to talk balance with..... Bad troll 2/10 Poor Effort Adamance, not gonna lie, you've become one of the few tankers whose word i can a actually side with. not just with tanks, but you also seem to be quite knowledgeable in certain infantry aspects as well. you have my respect sir. Anime > EVERYTHING
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 1703	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:36:00 - [24] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Adamance, not gonna lie, you've become one of the few tankers whose word i can a actually side with. not just with tanks, but you also seem to be quite knowledgeable in certain infantry aspects as well. you have my respect sir. ^ Same. o7 (Also, O'Dell and Legend)
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:38:00 - [25] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: True Adamance wrote: Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. Generalization is, in fact, a thing I enjoy doing. That aside, your tanking peers do represent you just a tidbit. Example: you trying to silence me ITT. Sorry but the word is out. Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. I can't wait for that day so I'll start right now. Ahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahshahshahahha gasp hhahahahahahahhaahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha! I'm not trying to silence you. How could I? Merely trying to point out that I am no represented by the more extreme aspect of the HAV community. I have my own ideas and thoughts surrounding HAV/AV balance and wish to dialogue with other such players who feel balance needs to be achieve by finding a middle ground, and are not inclined to make such short sighted demands as buffs of nerfs or resort to name calling. Regardless of whether or not HAV are OP, UP, or balanced I will still use them. I mean I started tanking in the Dog Days of 1.3 in Soma's against Proto Ion Maddy, invisible forgers and swarmers exploiting my inability to see past 50m, and general lack of durability for their ISK cost. Seems like you are not the person to talk balance with..... Bad troll 2/10 Poor Effort Adamance, not gonna lie, you've become one of the few tankers whose word i can a actually side with. not just with tanks, but you also seem to be quite knowledgeable in certain infantry aspects as well. you have my respect sir. well, he was infantry log before he went into tanks Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8536	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:41:00 - [26] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: True Adamance wrote: Take that up with those players then as opposed to making poor generalisations. Generalization is, in fact, a thing I enjoy doing. That aside, your tanking peers do represent you just a tidbit. Example: you trying to silence me ITT. Sorry but the word is out. Tanks are OP and all your skill points will be locked behind soon to be useless sperg wagons. I can't wait for that day so I'll start right now. Ahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahshahshahahha gasp hhahahahahahahhaahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha! I'm not trying to silence you. How could I? Merely trying to point out that I am no represented by the more extreme aspect of the HAV community. I have my own ideas and thoughts surrounding HAV/AV balance and wish to dialogue with other such players who feel balance needs to be achieve by finding a middle ground, and are not inclined to make such short sighted demands as buffs of nerfs or resort to name calling. Regardless of whether or not HAV are OP, UP, or balanced I will still use them. I mean I started tanking in the Dog Days of 1.3 in Soma's against Proto Ion Maddy, invisible forgers and swarmers exploiting my inability to see past 50m, and general lack of durability for their ISK cost. Seems like you are not the person to talk balance with..... Bad troll 2/10 Poor Effort Adamance, not gonna lie, you've become one of the few tankers whose word i can a actually side with. not just with tanks, but you also seem to be quite knowledgeable in certain infantry aspects as well. you have my respect sir. That's my goal. I run infantry whenever I am told by my squad leader, I run tanks for fun yeah, but I can't remain ignorant of other game aspects and exploit in good conscience certain mechanics of my role. HAVing is more fun when I feel vunlnerable, I feel my skill is keeping me alive, and I get a good fight out of a match. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3607	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:45:00 - [27] - Quote Swarms shouldn't have been touched. Or better yet, not as drastically reduced in lock on and damage. Wasn't he the one all for it in the first place? Celebrating the nerf? Now that rail tanks are blasting him outta the sky, he wants the swarms to come back to take out those tanks...so instead of range buff, he's all for the damage increase. Interesting. We need to start looking at both sides of the coin before we judge on something that we think will benefit us in the long run. Dust 514 is known for its domino effects when it comes to buff and nerfs. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8538	Posted - 2014.03.21 00:56:00 - [28] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Swarms shouldn't have been touched. Or better yet, not as drastically reduced in lock on and damage. Wasn't he the one all for it in the first place? Celebrating the nerf? Now that rail tanks are blasting him outta the sky, he wants the swarms to come back to take out those tanks...so instead of range buff, he's all for the damage increase. Interesting. We need to start looking at both sides of the coin before we judge on something that we think will benefit us in the long run. Dust 514 is known for its domino effects when it comes to buff and nerfs. I agree with the damage .....it really didnt need a nerf....but the lock on range did in some respects. I believe prior to 1.7 it has a 200m Lock on. Which was vastly too far. What that meant is that AV had a secondary means of long range AV, this one with high DPS that tracked to a tankers position.... in that sense there was no crossing on engagement zones between AV and HAV. Which essentially meant it was impossible to engage AVers in certain positions who could with impunity blaze away. Lock ranges now I feel are fair....but the underwhelming damage models does not allow a swarmer to do acceptable levels of damage at this closer range. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 907	Posted - 2014.03.21 01:06:00 - [29] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Swarms shouldn't have been touched. Or better yet, not as drastically reduced in lock on and damage. Wasn't he the one all for it in the first place? Celebrating the nerf? Now that rail tanks are blasting him outta the sky, he wants the swarms to come back to take out those tanks...so instead of range buff, he's all for the damage increase. Interesting. We need to start looking at both sides of the coin before we judge on something that we think will benefit us in the long run. Dust 514 is known for its domino effects when it comes to buff and nerfs. I agree with the damage .....it really didnt need a nerf....but the lock on range did in some respects. I believe prior to 1.7 it has a 200m Lock on. Which was vastly too far. What that meant is that AV had a secondary means of long range AV, this one with high DPS that tracked to a tankers position.... in that sense there was no crossing on engagement zones between AV and HAV. Which essentially meant it was impossible to engage AVers in certain positions who could with impunity blaze away. Lock ranges now I feel are fair....but the underwhelming damage models does not allow a swarmer to do acceptable levels of damage at this closer range. 400m lock on. One of the biggest problems with swarms is the damage propogation through the tiers. They should all have 6 missiles, and then have the individual missile damage go up through the tiers. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 123	Posted - 2014.03.21 01:11:00 - [30] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Haha, sorry nerds your tanks are OP and are getting nerfed. Enjoy your sperg mobiles now; soon the nerf~~bat~~sledgehammer cometh. sighs No. My 1.8 fit



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