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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:32:00 -
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With the nerf to damage mods I wanted to show the community some numbers just for the public benefit. Hopefully this clears some things up for you, and will help you decide what your plan is for damage mods in 1.8
(Keep in mind these stats are with the reduction in cpu you get from the damage mod skill at 5)
So first here are the stats when you use 2 of the same kind:
Type ---- CPU/PG - Damage increase
Complex - 116/18 - 9.35%
Enhanced - 77/10 - 7.48%
Basic ------ 39/6 -- 5.61%
Now here are the stats for 3 of the same kind:
Type ------CPU/PG - Damage increase
Complex -- 173/27 - 12.20%
Enhanced - 115/15 - 9.76%
Basic ------- 59/9 -- 7.32%
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For comparison, here are the stats for complex mods currently in 1.7 (enhanced mods in 1.7 are the same stats as complex in 1.8):
2 complex - 116/18 - 18.70%
3 complex - 173/27 - 24.40%
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:39:00 -
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Middle ground.
Middle ground.
Middle ground.
Middle ground.
Middle ground.
It is there CCP.
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:41:00 -
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Perhaps have the skill increase damage mod efficiency?
Best PVE idea I've seen.
Fixed link.
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SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.20 06:43:00 -
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get rid of stacking penalty. not as much difference if you use 5.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:30:00 -
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Actually this isn't quite true since damage mods are multiplicative (although it doesn't make a huge difference).
Meaning:
Two Complex: 1.05 * 1.0435 = 1.096 (9.6%).
Two Enhanced: 1.04 * 1.0348 = 1.076 (7.6%).
Two Basic: 1.03 * 1.0261 = 1.057 (5.7%).
Likewise, currently they give this:
Two Complex: 1.1 * 1.087 = 1.196 (19.6%).
Two Enhanced: 1.05 * 1.0435 = 1.096 (9.6%).
Two Basic: 1.03 * 1.0261 = 1.057 (5.7%).
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:35:00 -
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still dosnt help much with swarms and forge guns. |
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BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.03.20 08:50:00 -
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Oh no!
You mean with the lower damage guns will produce, and the lack of effectiveness of damage mods I can't just jump into a sea of red dots and kill them all in 5 seconds?
Now I have to use cover, and time my engagements out better? I have to out position my opponent and try and catch them off guard more often?
My Vizium can't 1Shot just about anything that moves?
THIS IS TOTAL BULLSH*T! I QUIT CALL OF DUTY TO PLAY THIS GAME! And just when it was starting to get crutch/twitch like... CCP comes along and ruins it!
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2054
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:02:00 -
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I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:
We all wanted increased TTK and diversity on the field. I think that damage mods will get tweaked later to make them a little better but as it is right now we need to use them, provide constructive feedback once released and let them collect data and take players suggestions. I wouldn't count on these stats staying the same forever, also I hope that we see weapon specific modifiers that change more that just damage output. I would also like to see a few more mods in each tier that have lower and higher fitting costs but provide a slight change in the percentage boost of the mod.
Basic light 3% 23CPU 3PG
Optimized Basic light 2.7% 20CPU 3PG
Overclocked Basic light 3.3% 26CPU 3PG
I am just putting numbers out there, I am not a game designer so...
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Asha Starwind
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:05:00 -
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CCP nerfs adv/comp damage mods by 20%/50%, new values in 1.8 when stacked will 80%/50% of 1.7 values. You don't say.
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rpastry
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:28:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:We all wanted increased TTK
I didnt.
And no, its not because I will be worse off. Its because the noobs who come in with a mlt AR will have even less of a chance of chewing through a stacked proto.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2055
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:33:00 -
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rpastry wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:We all wanted increased TTK I didnt. And no, its not because I will be worse off. Its because the noobs who come in with a mlt AR will have even less of a chance of chewing through a stacked proto.
I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:
The point of prototype is to be better than MLT, the game isn't supposed to easy. Difficulty encourages specialization and emphasizes player skill at fighting and fitting. The problem with DUST is that proto suits are just better in almost every aspect instead of rewarding specialization by changing slot layout and adding specialized bonuses. The screwed the pooch by making prototype suits just better instead of different.
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rpastry
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.03.20 09:42:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:The point of prototype is to be better than MLT
The Robot Devil wrote:The screwed the pooch by making prototype suits just better instead of different.
make your ******* mind up.
you want them to be better but not better but different but still better but not better yeh?
and wtf has that got to do with ttk. whatever the ttk proto are superior, just with longer ttk it exacerbates one of the long running problems with this game that noobs are put off by not being able to kill antything.
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Ensar Cael
Black Spire Force Recon
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:00:00 -
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How well could you do in MLT or Basic gear? Do you rely on your skill or gear to get you through a game? I am not attacking anyone's play style here, just asking a couple of questions is all.
The TTK business is difficult to sort out though and it may be that TIERCIDE could achieve this nicely. Another point for debate.
Not sure nerfing DMG mods will help things much in the long run. It affects too many things, especially as they lowered the base damage in all the AR's and variants as well. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2055
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:31:00 -
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rpastry wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:The point of prototype is to be better than MLT The Robot Devil wrote:The screwed the pooch by making prototype suits just better instead of different. make your ******* mind up. you want them to be better but not better but different but still better but not better yeh? and wtf has that got to do with ttk. whatever the ttk proto are superior, just with longer ttk it exacerbates one of the long running problems with this game that noobs are put off by not being able to kill antything.
I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:
Prototype mods should be better than MLT mods.
Prototype suits should be different, not just better than every other suit.
I hope that clears it up for you.
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rpastry
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:39:00 -
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I know you know this isn't EVE. I know you are not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand that you understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I am aware that you know that the game has problems. I know you are not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything else, but my question is;
different how?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2055
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Posted - 2014.03.20 10:54:00 -
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rpastry wrote:I know you know this isn't EVE. I know you are not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand that you understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I am aware that you know that the game has problems. I know you are not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything else, but my question is;
different how?
I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:
Different slot layouts and different bonuses that allow prototype suits to perform a specialized role. As it is right now a proto suit is just an advanced suit that has more of the same slots.
A prototype logi suit is only more of the same when compared to an advanced. It gets an extra slot but it is the same suit. In EVE as you move up through tech levels (and used to be through tiers) the slot layout changed, stats changed, bonuses changed and the ship became more specialized and different, not just all around better. I don't know how to explain it more with out linking a bunch of stuff but if you like I will to help. Not trying to be an ass, I am just trying to get us on the same page.
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Raoul Duke
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