DUST Search - A Scout Grace Period

Yan Darn wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

Dude just let people do what they do. Have fun and enjoy the game. Proper scouts will always shine. It was only last night that I played some of your corp.

We ran into to Lightning, Neausea etc... and we got beat. I have had scout suits since chrome but I have to admit I have not really used them much at all in a long time. I'm trying to get back into stuff, just play around with fits and what ever takes my fancy but it is VERY CLEAR that a proper dedicated good scout will always beat a fotm scout so why worry?

It's not scout on 'scout' that is the problem for me. Current scouts know a lot of blues don't understand how scouts work and fall for basic scouty tactics over and over...

I've even had to explain to my own squad, things like why I'm not moving directly with them when they attack that heavily defended point from the front (the fact you are logi with reps doesn't help me as much as you think...).

With buffs and cloaks, your average FoTM /newbro scout will manage to get some 'annoying/cheap' kills in - add in the old scouts who can top leaderboards already - your average forum QQer who loses their pro-suit once too often to REs, shotguns and NK, will suddenly label scouts OP/Scrubby and the nerf whine will begin.

I mean I remember being in a non-scout squad, the reds had a scout squad - between REs and ninja NK/Shotgun kills the city points were locked down. I tried explaining to my squad - we need to flux points and have someone cover the hacker. They can see us (...them) on passives relatively easily and we won't see them on our radar - we have to assume they are always ready to strike at us...oh and don't chase them around corners...

The responses I got?

'Thats ******* cheap...'

'Wait - so they will just hide until we have our backs to them? Gaaaay'

'****! That guy is just running up to people and knifing them!'
'I know right - I mean learn some ******* gun game'

'******* cheap ass ************ just knifed me, same cheap ass ************ who got me with that remote - ******* scrubs abusing broken ****!'

And that is now before the buffs we've been waiting for. I fully expect to receive hatemail about cloaks even if I wasn't using them.

The tryhards wont have the nerve to stick with it, but they may **** off other tryhards enough to cause detrimental QQ.

People hate what they don't understand.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7502	Posted - 2014.03.20 06:02:00 - [1] - Quote I too am afraid of these fotm bastard ruining our fun. They always attract the "nerf herders". Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7502	Posted - 2014.03.20 06:12:00 - [2] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: I really think most of them who currently run assault and switch to scouts are going to be easy targets for us true ninjas. They will probably want something else changed to give them an advantage so watch for the QQ. If any of them complain that the scouts are underpowered after 1.8 I will stab them so hard like Chucky on crack. And anyone calling for a nerf on scouts after that should be ignored because they don't consider the fact that usually it's a professional scout that kills them most of the time. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7525	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:35:00 - [3] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Dude just let people do what they do. Have fun and enjoy the game. Proper scouts will always shine. It was only last night that I played some of your corp. We ran into to Lightning, Neausea etc... and we got beat. I have had scout suits since chrome but I have to admit I have not really used them much at all in a long time. I'm trying to get back into stuff, just play around with fits and what ever takes my fancy but it is VERY CLEAR that a proper dedicated good scout will always beat a fotm scout so why worry? It's not scout on 'scout' that is the problem for me. Current scouts know a lot of blues don't understand how scouts work and fall for basic scouty tactics over and over... I've even had to explain to my own squad, things like why I'm not moving directly with them when they attack that heavily defended point from the front (the fact you are logi with reps doesn't help me as much as you think...). With buffs and cloaks, your average FoTM /newbro scout will manage to get some 'annoying/cheap' kills in - add in the old scouts who can top leaderboards already - your average forum QQer who loses their pro-suit once too often to REs, shotguns and NK, will suddenly label scouts OP/Scrubby and the nerf whine will begin. I mean I remember being in a non-scout squad, the reds had a scout squad - between REs and ninja NK/Shotgun kills the city points were locked down. I tried explaining to my squad - we need to flux points and have someone cover the hacker. They can see us (...them) on passives relatively easily and we won't see them on our radar - we have to assume they are always ready to strike at us...oh and don't chase them around corners... The responses I got? 'Thats ***** cheap...' 'Wait - so they will just hide until we have our backs to them? Gaaaay' '! That guy is just running up to people and knifing them!' 'I know right - I mean learn some *** gun game' '*** cheap ass ******** just knifed me, same cheap ass ******** who got me with that remote - *** scrubs abusing broken *!' And that is now* before the buffs we've been waiting for. I fully expect to receive hatemail about cloaks even if I wasn't using them. The tryhards wont have the nerve to stick with it, but they may ** off other tryhards enough to cause detrimental QQ. People hate what they don't understand. And that's the problem I have with QQers these days. I just call them "nerf herders". If they don't understand it, they want it nerfed. I just hope to dear sweet baby Jesus that CCP has the balls to just ignore those QQers this time and just let the scouts enjoy their buff for once in our lives. Some guy once told me that if scouts like me are already that good, it's because the scout suits are fine as it is. But I disagreed. It's not that the suits are fine. Far from it, the suits that we have now are currently gimped until 1.8 comes out. It's the very fact that these suits were so gimped that scouts like me got good with it. We were forced to adapt in ways we didn't expect to adapt. Try being a master of fighting someone with one hand tied behind your back, blindfolded, with one leg missing and you're being constantly pelted with paint balls. Eventually you will get good at it as you work around your weaknesses and enhance your other senses, but you're still limited because you're tied, blinded, have only one leg and paint balls are being shot at you like a bad scene from Jackass. And now, finally we're free to use both hands, remove the blindfold, have both legs, and not be able to effectively dodge those pesky paint balls because we have been heavily trained and conditioned to do so. Anyone who assumes the scouts will be OP at that point just simply lacks the understanding that's not the suit that makes us OP but our experience. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor**
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7528	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:41:00 - [4] - Quote Dingleburt Bangledack wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I too am afraid of these fotm bastard ruining our fun. They always attract the "nerf herders". This is what I'm afraid of. By no means have I endured hard mode as long as some of the scouting greats (such as he whom I've just quoted ) but I finally tried the scout about 5 or 6 months ago and realised it's what I should've picked back in Open Beta. I'm just worried that QQers will get Scouts nerfed shortly after the love they've needed for so very long. I say let's have all the scout masters take a week-long break at the beginning of 1.8 and watch all the FoTM players complain that scouts are useless and see the assault/logi/sentinal/commandos point out how easy it is to still kill scouts. Then we all come in at the end of the week and start showing everyone how the pros do it. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7533	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:54:00 - [5] - Quote Murt Lesp wrote: I need to ask the masters about the Amarr Scout For a Standard level scout, I plan on giving him a Kin Cat, a Cardiac Reg, a Profile Dampener, and a Precision enhancer. Flux nades, smg, and SCP. I can max all involved skills by the way. Comments? With that kind of setup, here are your stats assuming all fitted items are basic level with maxed out skills. Stats in [ ] are stats shown after bonuses applied. CPU 82.3 / 223.125 gF PG 19.75 / 45.9375 kW Shield 75 HP Armor 212.5 HP No icon eHP 287.5 HP Shield Recharge Rate 30 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 4 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 s Armor Repair Rate 0 HP/s Movement Speed 5.25 m/s Strafe Speed 4.73 m/s Sprint Speed 7.72 [8.12] m/s Stamina 360.94 [460.2] Stamina Recovery Rate 52.5 [81.38] /s Scan Profile 31.5 [26.78] dB Scan Precision 36 [32.4] dB Scan Radius 30 m Melee Damage 80 HP Hack Speed Factor 1.31 Frame Class 0 Dropsuit Race 0 Dropsuit Role 0 High-Slot Modules 1 Small Capacity Granades 1 Equipment 2 Sidearm Weapons 1 Low-Slot Modules 3 Light Weapons 1 http://www.protofits.com/fittings I'm not sure about you're profile, but then again hiding is not the Amarr scout's specialty. And if you're going with the Precision enhancer, you can take advantage of that by replacing either the kin cat or profile dampener with a range amplifier. Considering that the Amarr suit seems like the bastard child of the entire scout line up, I'll need more research into this. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7533	Posted - 2014.03.20 18:58:00 - [6] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: fresh meat for the grinder. by speccing a scout they are giving us a grace period. it takes a little while to get used to having no ehp. to put it poetically GÇ£Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!GÇ¥ ~ Bane I personally can't wait for the "we need a respec ccp, cause the scout is broken" posts. I like my version better. GÇ£Ah you think the redline is your ally? You merely adopted the line. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the safe zone until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!GÇ¥ ~ Bane Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7533	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:01:00 - [7] - Quote axis alpha wrote: What if I wanna be cal scout cuz my cal ass is ruined? I even maxed all my core skills n junk If you maxed out your core skills, then even the standard cal scout will be good to go. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7542	Posted - 2014.03.20 21:55:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: As someone who wrecks with an advanced scout suit with no relevant skills raised, I have begun to question if scouts were ever indeed "hard mode" Run that same scout out in the open on Tankus Peak with only a knife and SMG. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor