What is with the recent outcry of "OP HMG!"

What is with the recent outcry of "OP HMG!"

My grouch about OP HMG comes from the fact that as soon as you start to get hit by it you basically can't move to get to cover. With the new rifle and damage mod nerfs, that is going to be an even larger problem in 1.8

that and massive DPS instagibbing anyone with a shotgun who wastes 5 shots on blue shield flashes

The Ion Pistol is a fail and it's nit even out yet.

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

2. Tank spam has not been fixed-there needs to be a harder cap on the number of tanks per team. If one tank=3 infantry, it doesn't matter how many people are going AV to take out tanks, especially if the tanks stick together, because even with the new WP options, tanks will still be impossible to kill if they become spammed. The damage mod nerf was needed, but sniper rifles, swarms, and plasma cannons need a damage buff to make up for what they potentially lost

3. Gimped weapons remain gimped or even nerfed (flay lock/shotgun), while ok weapons are nerfed(SMG), and better ones are introduced(Magsec), and the best of them all (HMG) receives no nerf.

4. Lag will become an even more serious issue in 1.8 with the increase of skills that must be calculated and no fix has yet been created. I have a decent idea to fixing skill point related lag, if a dev asks i will share it

5. Many glaring imbalance issues exist ATM. If you don't play a heavy, you won't play anymore. And once they get nerfed, the scout is next.

However, there are many things you got right. Proficiency changes on all but the shotgun are good, full racial parity is a huge plus, damage mod nerf is a good step if niche weapons received a buff, vehicle WP is very good, rifle nerfs are very good, scout buff is good, but i fear it may have been just over the top. Logi slayers will have, for the most part disappeared, (hopefully), however, very few will run Logi in 1.8, which is a problem.

Really, the only problems are balance issues right now that could be easily ameliorated in an upcoming hot fix.

AR nerf was stupid. We are now going to have to use three AR clips to kill a heavy instead of 2. That is if we survive. Nerfing the TAC and Burst And Breach was one of the most stupid ideas...

that and massive DPS instagibbing anyone with a shotgun who wastes 5 shots on blue shield flashes

the fact that it was not nerfed with Rifles while still having a much higher DPS, meaning it will still instagib, while everything else won't

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

2. Tank spam has not been fixed-there needs to be a harder cap on the number of tanks per team. If one tank=3 infantry, it doesn't matter how many people are going AV to take out tanks, especially if the tanks stick together, because even with the new WP options, tanks will still be impossible to kill if they become spammed. The damage mod nerf was needed, but sniper rifles, swarms, and plasma cannons need a damage buff to make up for what they potentially lost

3. Gimped weapons remain gimped or even nerfed (flay lock/shotgun), while ok weapons are nerfed(SMG), and better ones are introduced(Magsec), and the best of them all (HMG) receives no nerf.

4. Lag will become an even more serious issue in 1.8 with the increase of skills that must be calculated and no fix has yet been created. I have a decent idea to fixing skill point related lag, if a dev asks i will share it

5. Many glaring imbalance issues exist ATM. If you don't play a heavy, you won't play anymore. And once they get nerfed, the scout is next. However, there are many things you got right. Proficiency changes on all but the shotgun are good, full racial parity is a huge plus, damage mod nerf is a good step if niche weapons received a buff, vehicle WP is very good, rifle nerfs are very good, scout buff is good, but i fear it may have been just over the top. Logi slayers will have, for the most part disappeared, (hopefully), however, very few will run Logi in 1.8, which is a problem.Really, the only problems are balance issues right now that could be easily ameliorated in an upcoming hot fix.

not quite as bad as the flay lock, but yeah it seems pretty gimped. The best use for it is one shotting scouts

That is a waste of time. You can kill a scout faster than you would be able to switch to the Ion Pistol and charge the damn thing.

Seems totally useless outside of the Academy.

With higher TTK, shields will naturally be much more valuable. I expect fights to be more about popping in-and-out of cover. In that tactical environment, shields do very well--they recharge quickly and don't slow you down like plates will. Furthermore, the nerfs to damage mods make shields much more attractive in comparison for many fits.

As it is right now, I really can't complain much about HMG heavies in CQC. If I really pay attention, about 80% of the time, especially if I open fire first, I can kill them in CQC with my CR.

It's just that "sloth" effect that gets me, especially if I'm around an objective and a heavy spawns in or comes in with an LAV. If I get fired upon, there's absolutely no way I can get behind a box or around a corner unless I'm already standing 1 inch from it. Every now and again I can break that if I remember to jump to the side, but not too often. I usually counter this with slight strafing and rapid CR bursts.

In 1.8 though, this slowdown effect combined with the new resistances and the no HMG damage reduction is going to be a formula for complete disaster. People are going to just start to get hit and be immediately done. Increased TTK doesn't matter if you can't move lol.

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

2. Tank spam has not been fixed-there needs to be a harder cap on the number of tanks per team. If one tank=3 infantry, it doesn't matter how many people are going AV to take out tanks, especially if the tanks stick together, because even with the new WP options, tanks will still be impossible to kill if they become spammed. The damage mod nerf was needed, but sniper rifles, swarms, and plasma cannons need a damage buff to make up for what they potentially lost

3. Gimped weapons remain gimped or even nerfed (flay lock/shotgun), while ok weapons are nerfed(SMG), and better ones are introduced(Magsec), and the best of them all (HMG) receives no nerf.

4. Lag will become an even more serious issue in 1.8 with the increase of skills that must be calculated and no fix has yet been created. I have a decent idea to fixing skill point related lag, if a dev asks i will share it

5. Many glaring imbalance issues exist ATM. If you don't play a heavy, you won't play anymore. And once they get nerfed, the scout is next.

However, there are many things you got right. Proficiency changes on all but the shotgun are good, full racial parity is a huge plus, damage mod nerf is a good step if niche weapons received a buff, vehicle WP is very good, rifle nerfs are very good, scout buff is good, but i fear it may have been just over the top. Logi slayers will have, for the most part disappeared, (hopefully), however, very few will run Logi in 1.8, which is a problem.

Really, the only problems are balance issues right now that could be easily ameliorated in an upcoming hot fix.

actually your wrong about the plasma cannon as it stands it is the biggest threat to a shield tank if the person with the plasma cannon can aim and when 1.8 hits they get a even bigger boost to their shield dmg which means in 1.8 plasma cannons are gonna have a field day with shield tanks so actually they got a buff not a nerf

about the CR-that doesn't say anything. the real test is the shotgun. The CR is beyond OP

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

the fact that it was not nerfed with Rifles while still having a much higher DPS, meaning it will still instagib, while everything else won't

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

2. Tank spam has not been fixed-there needs to be a harder cap on the number of tanks per team. If one tank=3 infantry, it doesn't matter how many people are going AV to take out tanks, especially if the tanks stick together, because even with the new WP options, tanks will still be impossible to kill if they become spammed. The damage mod nerf was needed, but sniper rifles, swarms, and plasma cannons need a damage buff to make up for what they potentially lost

3. Gimped weapons remain gimped or even nerfed (flay lock/shotgun), while ok weapons are nerfed(SMG), and better ones are introduced(Magsec), and the best of them all (HMG) receives no nerf.

4. Lag will become an even more serious issue in 1.8 with the increase of skills that must be calculated and no fix has yet been created. I have a decent idea to fixing skill point related lag, if a dev asks i will share it

5. Many glaring imbalance issues exist ATM. If you don't play a heavy, you won't play anymore. And once they get nerfed, the scout is next.

However, there are many things you got right. Proficiency changes on all but the shotgun are good, full racial parity is a huge plus, damage mod nerf is a good step if niche weapons received a buff, vehicle WP is very good, rifle nerfs are very good, scout buff is good, but i fear it may have been just over the top. Logi slayers will have, for the most part disappeared, (hopefully), however, very few will run Logi in 1.8, which is a problem.

Really, the only problems are balance issues right now that could be easily ameliorated in an upcoming hot fix.

Look I know how rough Min suits have it, assuming that this is where this is coming from, and GalLogis are very powerful right now; but don't go lobbing all Gallente suits in the OP category. Just look at the GalAss, the only suit worse then it is the MinAss and in 1.8 with its bonus only working for underperforming blaster tech it may just become obsolete. You may still see new players using it and those who don't know better, but only the most stubborn or loyal vet users like myself and a few notable others will really continue to be seen in it.

So again, not ALL Gallente suits are king of the hill and their weapons certainly aren't. Try to remember that when complaining about them if you'd please.

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Shields are perfectly viable and arguable better than armor.

Nearly the only valid point in the entire post

Flaylocks and shotguns are fine I use both with no issues. You don't know how things will work for certain, CCP might have finally realized kick is a valid balance factor

You have no idea what you're talking about. I've developed systems that calculate skills bonuses on items and they take ~0.05s to calculate mulitple bonuses including skill prerequisites recursively. The majority of lag is poor design choices not anything related to skills or SP counts

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Did the big bad heavy touch?

You have no idea how things will turn out. There are way more complicated things to think about then just the numbers. Logistics will still be a very viable role and still the most rewarding in terms of SP/WP/ISK which is the only thing that truly matters in Dust besides having fun.

That's not really true, the LR buff wasn't able to be deployed until 1.8 due to range numbers being hardcoded in the client which I imagine a large majority of type attributes are. This could change in 1.8 but don't count on it.

I admire your attempts but really, this has to be the worst QQ post I've seen all week.

Well, if you know a scout is nearby, you could use it to instagib them, but right now the ScRP does it better and faster

fit for gallente assault-duvolle tact, creodron ion pistol, 3x enhanced armor plates, 1x kin cat, 1x proto triage hive, 2x damage mods, 1x precision enhancer. You are now OP. Minmitar assault "OP" fit-4x shield extenders, 1x damage mod, 1x cpu mod, 1x Pg mod

Where is this Scrambler Rifle Pistol you speak of?

1. Shield extender/armor plate disparity has not yet been addressed, and it ruins gameplay immensely to having armor tanked gallants be the only viable suits in the game

2. Tank spam has not been fixed-there needs to be a harder cap on the number of tanks per team. If one tank=3 infantry, it doesn't matter how many people are going AV to take out tanks, especially if the tanks stick together, because even with the new WP options, tanks will still be impossible to kill if they become spammed. The damage mod nerf was needed, but sniper rifles, swarms, and plasma cannons need a damage buff to make up for what they potentially lost

3. Gimped weapons remain gimped or even nerfed (flay lock/shotgun), while ok weapons are nerfed(SMG), and better ones are introduced(Magsec), and the best of them all (HMG) receives no nerf.

4. Lag will become an even more serious issue in 1.8 with the increase of skills that must be calculated and no fix has yet been created. I have a decent idea to fixing skill point related lag, if a dev asks i will share it

5. Many glaring imbalance issues exist ATM. If you don't play a heavy, you won't play anymore. And once they get nerfed, the scout is next.

However, there are many things you got right. Proficiency changes on all but the shotgun are good, full racial parity is a huge plus, damage mod nerf is a good step if niche weapons received a buff, vehicle WP is very good, rifle nerfs are very good, scout buff is good, but i fear it may have been just over the top. Logi slayers will have, for the most part disappeared, (hopefully), however, very few will run Logi in 1.8, which is a problem.

Really, the only problems are balance issues right now that could be easily ameliorated in an upcoming hot fix.

this is blatantly false. shields give far less hp, have far greater fitting costs, in exchange for slightly higher movement speed in a game with massive amounts of aim assist. They are only more viable than armor if you have an infinite number of slots for highs or lows and infinite fitting capacities

i believe this post nulls all of your opinions on the issues of balance in this game, however, i will continue to respond

i am nearly 100% certain that SP has a huge effect on lag, primarily because i believe the server makes the calculations in a very repetitive method and calls the functions for determining the values for each individual stat of the player. Im not saying its the only issue, however, i believe i would have a little bit more prerequisite knowledge than you in this case.

Heavies are far greater than even the scout in 1.8, and logistics is the least ISK viable role on the battlefield due to ludicrous equipment costs. I was unaware that ranges were hardcoded, but still that is an off topic point, and would have been easily remedied pre-1.8

fit for gallente assault-duvolle tact, creodron ion pistol, 3x enhanced armor plates, 1x kin cat, 1x proto triage hive, 2x damage mods, 1x precision enhancer. You are now OP. Minmitar assault "OP" fit-4x shield extenders, 1x damage mod, 1x cpu mod, 1x Pg mod

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