to start out, this argument is coming from someone who has been scouting for a VERY long time, so hear me out before you dismiss it as a stupid argument.

i looked at the dropsuit table that CCP released a while back, and it appears that the scout ak.0 has the same module slot layout as the scout gk.0 (2H 4L).

it seems that most people who say the amarr scout is going to be underpowered are referring to it's bonus, or moreover, how USELESS it's bonus is. for those that don't know (which you should by now), the bonus is +5% to maximum stamina and stamina regen per level.

those who see this bonus as pointless obviously have:

a.) never or rarely played as a scout

b.) intend to build it like an assault suit

if you've ever run a speed tanked scout, especially using a shotgun, then you know how important it is to use your stamina wisely. if you don't, then you will die on many occassions due to having no stamina, and as a result having no ability to avoid gunfire.

this is where this bonus will come in handy. you get more stamina and faster stamina regen, which is about as useful as it gets to a scout who actually builds his fit LIKE A SCOUT.

let me give you an example. i've taken the time to build a fit using the Scout ak.0 . since you don't know, this build almost exactly mimics one of my scout gk.0 shotgun builds, but is all around better. it has more ehp (551 ehp which is WAY MORE than enough for a speed tanked shotgun scout), decent speed, good stamina BECAUSE OF THE BONUS, and it can fit a cloak and REs. that is quite literally all around better than my scout gk.0 fit that this was built off of.

maybe this is too slow for you, and if that's the case, i completely understand, as i'm a bit of a speed junky myself.
here's a fit of a faster Scout ak.0. it has speed comparable to that of a scout mk.0 now, but with more ehp, stamina, and shield depleted recharge time. plus, you have a pretty even amount of armor and shield, meaning if you're facing a certain weapon, it will have trouble getting through at least one of you defenses, be it armor or shield. again, quite literally better in every aspect than a scout mk.0 now.

i hope this has shed some light on why the scout ak.0 will in fact be on the same level as the other scouts. on top of that, you will be able to achieve over 1000 ehp on a SCOUT with this suit, though if you do, then you're not a real scout.

TL:DR

stop trying to abuse the scout ak.0 by building like an assault suit and you'll find the bonus to be VERY useful. and if you do decide to try to abuse it by building 1000 ehp on it, then don't get upset because the bonus doesn't allow you to abuse it further.

It's a better medium frame than scout.

let me give you an example. i've taken the time to build a fit using the Scout ak.0 . since you don't know, this build almost exactly mimics one of my scout gk.0 shotgun builds, but is all around better. it has more ehp (551 ehp which is WAY MORE than enough for a speed tanked shotgun scout), decent speed, good stamina BECAUSE OF THE BONUS, and it can fit a cloak and REs. that is quite literally all around better than my scout gk.0 fit that this was built off of.

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y u do dis to me?

Just wanting a point of clarification here. When you say :



Are you referring to a Scout gk.0 as it exists in 1.7 or one that you've made for 1.8? The problem isn't that the Amarr scout is objectively "bad" in the sense that it couldn't be an effective person on the battlefield. It's that there's not really any viable 1.8 based Amarr Scout fit that the 1.8 Gallente Scout can't do better, all while having the innate regen, being near unscannable, and having comparable stamina rates.

This post goes into more detail about the problem with the Amarr scout :
Someone give me an Amarr Scout fitting UPDATED

You are making ignorant assumptions Tranquil.

Care to elaborate?
Ideally, include a point.

I seriously want one first day and will get13 mill back on 1.8 but I really want the gko for dragonfly scout bonus, I love nk and want a min but as now I use my gk more than my mk, I love the base HP of the ak with max upgrades, think it'll be 75/212= 287 base HP .

Which is equal to my gk with modsan that's the Ak without one mod on it, plus you can basically fit one of every mod on the suit and still have percision , damps, speed a shield and use a comp reactive to act as a armor buff an passive rep, and swap the damp for a red/green an use the cloak as a damp an still uncloak close to someone with a low enough profile that you still won't show up on HUD, and still have more HP and competitive scanning to deal with other scouts other than gallente.

And you could always run two percision enhances and stil have over 400 HP and only a gal will hide from you or a min or cal with two damps, which would make them weak and also need a percision to find you, so personally, I'm gonna have a really hard time come 1.8 picking which 3 I want, I do want the cal but after running minmatar for a yr , 2 LOW SLOTS IS GARBAGE LOL.

So I might just have to go amar, min an gal, but what's the base sprint for amar an how many kins will it take to get it to run between 9.5 and 10?

The Amarr Scout is a better Assault than the Minmatar Assault.

Why are you arguing tanked scouts? Isn't the point of the scout to be elusive as opposed to a smaller assault unit? Just because it can doesn't mean it should.

Tanked scouts are superior to other scouts in the fighting department. I run a basic Minmatar light frame with an Enhanced Armor plateaus enhanced reactive plate. Only proto Logi's and proto heavies give me a serious challenge.

Have now.

The Amarr scout, not being a suit I will even use, is distinctly lacking in scouty attributes aside from stamina capacity, which to my knowledge only affects run distance, not melee or jumping, and only takes effect in the last few seconds of the four scouts sprint cycle, and only ever the first time, other wise all other scouts take a lead over the Amarr scout.

You are making ignorant assumptions Tranquil.

EDIT- My apologies I dont mean ignorant assumptions about the scout mechanics, but instead about the people who you suspect are using the Amarr scout.

Not only has Magnus proven with mathematical evidence to prove the Amarr scout suffers in long range speed and endurance, but Aero has his own threads where he can create an equivalent fir on the Gallente frame and have it achieve similar if not superior attributes to that of the Amarr.

"Scouty know-how" is not a legitimate argument and insanely self aggrandising.

it's not based of "scouty know how" nor is it meant to be self aggrandising. if you've seen any of my other advice or insight threads, you'll see that i'm constantly saying the opposite. that i'm not the best scout, just someone who has been doing it long enough to give a little insight on what i've observed while using it.

with that being said, i will agree that the amarr scout should be superior in stamina, and it makes no sense that the gallente scout can build more stamina using the same build.but i'll also say that by design, the two scouts will be very similar due to their identical slot layout, so in some cases, it simply can't be helped.

to start out, this argument is coming from someone who has been scouting for a VERY long time, so hear me out before you dismiss it as a stupid argument.

i looked at the dropsuit table that CCP released a while back, and it appears that the scout ak.0 has the same module slot layout as the scout gk.0 (2H 4L).

it seems that most people who say the amarr scout is going to be underpowered are referring to it's bonus, or moreover, how USELESS it's bonus is. for those that don't know (which you should by now), the bonus is +5% to maximum stamina and stamina regen per level.

those who see this bonus as pointless obviously have:

a.) never or rarely played as a scout

b.) intend to build it like an assault suit

if you've ever run a speed tanked scout, especially using a shotgun, then you know how important it is to use your stamina wisely. if you don't, then you will die on many occassions due to having no stamina, and as a result having no ability to avoid gunfire.

this is where this bonus will come in handy. you get more stamina and faster stamina regen, which is about as useful as it gets to a scout who actually builds his fit LIKE A SCOUT.

let me give you an example. i've taken the time to build a fit using the Scout ak.0 . since you don't know, this build almost exactly mimics one of my scout gk.0 shotgun builds, but is all around better. it has more ehp (551 ehp which is WAY MORE than enough for a speed tanked shotgun scout), decent speed, good stamina BECAUSE OF THE BONUS, and it can fit a cloak and REs. that is quite literally all around better than my scout gk.0 fit that this was built off of.

maybe this is too slow for you, and if that's the case, i completely understand, as i'm a bit of a speed junky myself.
here's a fit of a faster Scout ak.0. it has speed comparable to that of a scout mk.0 now, but with more ehp, stamina, and shield depleted recharge time. plus, you have a pretty even amount of armor and shield, meaning if you're facing a certain weapon, it will have trouble getting through at least one of you defenses, be it armor or shield. again, quite literally better in every aspect than a scout mk.0 now.

i hope this has shed some light on why the scout ak.0 will in fact be on the same level as the other scouts. on top of that, you will be able to achieve over 1000 ehp on a SCOUT with this suit, though if you do, then you're not a real scout.

TL:DR

stop trying to abuse the scout ak.0 by building like an assault suit and you'll find the bonus to be VERY useful. and if you do decide to try to abuse it by building 1000 ehp on it, then don't get upset because the bonus doesn't allow you to abuse it further.

And yet it is not.

Why are you arguing tanked scouts? Isn't the point of the scout to be elusive as opposed to a smaller assault unit? Just because it can doesn't mean it should.