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Mieli Sydan
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:27:00 -
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Has there been any dev clarification on the shotgun proficiency changes and rate of fire? If we're all forced back to the original ROF on the shotgun, I'd consider the changes an unneeded net nerf. The current proficiency skill at least gives a bonus that helps a little with the hit detection issues that plague this gun. If we're just losing the ROF bonus altogether, I don't think the new bonus is even comparable. Damage vs. shields has never been an issue with this gun. In the last few patches, my biggest problems have been with getting hits to register at all, the squirreliness of merc movement in CQC, and punching through armor-tanked suits. Increased ROF helps with all of these things. A damage bonus vs. shields does nothing for them.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:37:00 -
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Nope. Not a blue tag in sight.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1770
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:40:00 -
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I'm guessing you're going back to original speed. +3% efficiency on shields :/ it was on that Dev Blog so yeah. |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:46:00 -
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Hopefully, they adjust the ROF by giving all SG's an increased ROF equal to or greater than what the proficiency skill currently does. It would be awesome if this was a stealth buff to SG's but thats probably asking too much. |
Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
420
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:51:00 -
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WE DEMAND A BLUE TAG
Give first dev a cookie that response
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War never changes
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Death Firm.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:54:00 -
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my guess would be you're losing the rate of fire. maybe ccp will come back to, and lok at the stuff that needs re-balancing for 1.9.
giving all shotties a small ROF boost and AV damage boost ect
Rolling with the punches
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Mieli Sydan
Ultramarine Corp
31
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:00:00 -
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I think I just answered my own question by digging into the SDE export of the 1.8 data. Please excuse the raw sqlite queries.
If you don't speak SQL, the tl;dr is that ROF isn't mentioned in any of the skill descriptions and the fire interval remains at 0.7 and 1.0 for the normal/breach variants, which translates to the current unbuffed 85.71 and 60 rpm RoF numbers.
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sqlite> select * from CatmaAttributes where catmaAttributeName = "mShortDescription" AND catmaValueText LIKE "%hotgun%";
355213|mShortDescription|None|None|+3% shotgun damage against shields per level
354583|mShortDescription|None|None|Designed for close-range combat, the shotgun is a spread weapon with tremendous stopping power
354937|mShortDescription|None|None|A standard-issue shotgun that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants
354957|mShortDescription|None|None|A prototype shotgun offering improved all-round performance over advanced-level tech
355212|mShortDescription|None|None|3% reduction to shotgun spread per level
355434|mShortDescription|None|None|A rare field-mod shotgun with the built-in protocols removed so that it is useable by anyone
364200|mShortDescription|None|None|An un-polished matte black variant of the standard shotgun used by the paramilitary arm of the Black Eagles.
356115|mShortDescription|None|None|A mysterious variant of the standard shotgun; an unlicensed modification of unknown origin
356831|mShortDescription|None|None|A variant of the standard shotgun issued to Ishukone Watch's elite forces
356853|mShortDescription|None|None|A standard-issue shotgun that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants
And the fire intervals:
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sqlite> select * from CatmaAttributes where typeID IN (SELECT typeID from CatmaTypes WHERE typeName LIKE "%shotgun%") AND catmaAttributeName IN ("mFireMode0.fireInterval", "mDisplayName") ORDER BY typeID, catmaAttributeName;
354583|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun
354583|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
354937|mDisplayName|None|None|Militia Shotgun
354937|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
354956|mDisplayName|None|None|CRG-3 Shotgun
354956|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
354957|mDisplayName|None|None|CreoDron Shotgun
354957|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355212|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun Operation
355213|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun Proficiency
355260|mDisplayName|None|None|'Cerberus' CRG-3 Shotgun
355260|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355261|mDisplayName|None|None|'Hydra' CreoDron Shotgun
355261|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355434|mDisplayName|None|None|HK4M Shotgun
355434|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355495|mDisplayName|None|None|Breach Shotgun
355495|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|1.0|None
355497|mDisplayName|None|None|'Chimera' Shotgun
355497|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355514|mDisplayName|None|None|KR-17 Breach Shotgun
355514|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|1.0|None
355515|mDisplayName|None|None|Allotek Breach Shotgun
355515|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|1.0|None
355864|mDisplayName|None|None|K5 Specialist Shotgun
355864|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
355865|mDisplayName|None|None|Duvolle Specialist Shotgun
355865|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
356115|mDisplayName|None|None|'Daemon' Shotgun
356115|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
356831|mDisplayName|None|None|'Dren' Shotgun
356831|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
356853|mDisplayName|None|None|Militia Shotgun Blueprint
356853|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
364200|mDisplayName|None|None|'Black Eagle' Shotgun
364200|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
364678|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun Ammo Capacity
364679|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun Rapid Reload
364680|mDisplayName|None|None|Shotgun Fitting Optimization
365629|mDisplayName|None|None|'Construct' CreoDron Shotgun
365629|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
365669|mDisplayName|None|None|'Pyrus' Shotgun
365669|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
365670|mDisplayName|None|None|'Pyrus' ATK-44 Shotgun
365670|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
365671|mDisplayName|None|None|'Pyrus' Allotek Shotgun
365671|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
366101|mDisplayName|None|None|Federation CreoDron Specialist Shotgun
366101|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
366379|mDisplayName|None|None|Federation Shotgun
366379|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
366380|mDisplayName|None|None|Federation CRG-3 Shotgun
366380|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
366381|mDisplayName|None|None|Federation CreoDron Shotgun
366381|mFireMode0.fireInterval|None|0.7|None
sqlite>
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
13530
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Posted - 2014.03.18 22:20:00 -
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as a player who as zero proficiency skills I have no idea what Ill be missing unfortunately.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
549
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:as a player who as zero proficiency skills I have no idea what Ill be missing unfortunately.
Well go get it now
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
845
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:05:00 -
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Why? So he can QQ about its loss? :) |
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
549
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:09:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:WE DEMAND A BLUE TAG
Give first dev a cookie that response
=ƒÿï
If you give a dev a cookie, he'll want milk, if you give a dev some milk he'll want more, if he wants more they will develop a taste for playerbase tears, if they develop a taste for tears, the community threads come in, when the threads come in the forums get rampaged,and the game gets deatroyed....so you see, thats why I killed that gallente clone, he was giving a dev a cookie.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1076
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Posted - 2014.03.19 04:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:as a player who as zero skills I have no idea
Fixed
Investigate 9/11
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