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True Adamance wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

I hear you're doing it wrong.
You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad.

Was Judge the one who pointed out swarms are broken and not applying full damage?

I dont see how any HAVer, myself included can argue they are OP, or balanced.

Also I dont think anyone necessarily expects you to require a full squad of AVers to take down and HAV.....but I fail to understand why if HAV have such an impact on infantry ground game......infantry doesnt make a more concerted effort to destroy HAV?

ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ALERT: (Not to be taken as me making a statement of fact). I honestly dont see much AV in game. Not until our team is at the redline...and by then it is too late.

I would definately support minor AV damage buffs.....but dont want to because I am unfamiliar with the affects of such buffs on lighter frame vehicles like dropships.

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Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1642	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:50:00 - [1] - Quote I spent the day with my proto swarms speced to 1.8 levels. Here comes a video CCP; and you are not going to like it. T-Minus 3 days. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11346	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:51:00 - [2] - Quote I hear you're doing it wrong. You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3145	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote Did you come to the conclusion that you would have been better off trying to kill a vehicle with a shotgun? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1642	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:51:00 - [4] - Quote I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1642	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:52:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Did you come to the conclusion that you would have been better off trying to kill a vehicle with a shotgun? I would have had a better chance doing damage it if had tripped over and spilled my coffee on it. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11346	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:53:00 - [6] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. My blood often boils. It's generally from excessive application of blaster plasma. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3145	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:53:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I hear you're doing it wrong. You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad. No, it's just that you aren't good enough. I heard this one guy say that he took out 15 Gunnlogis with militia swarms. It's just that you don't know how to do teamwork. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3145	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:55:00 - [8] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. It doesn't bother me anymore, I've accepted it. I don't have a single swarm fit anymore. I put a Breach MD on my AV fit, but I don't break it out enough to get proficient with it against vehicles. I just hide from them. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12301	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:56:00 - [9] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. I feel so bad for swarm launchers :( Bugged damage going unfixed Up to a 15% nerf to shields, and however much of a nerf new "damage mods" brings. Poor, poor swarm launcher Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1642	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:57:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. It doesn't bother me anymore, I've accepted it. I don't have a single swarm fit anymore. I put a Breach MD on my AV fit, but I don't break it out enough to get proficient with it against vehicles. I just hide from them. Well I'm going to nag CCP until they sort it out. I love my swarms, something about that launch noise. But the armour damage bug and the single missile application has to get sorted. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight

Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:57:00 - [11] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. It doesn't bother me anymore, I've accepted it. I don't have a single swarm fit anymore. I put a Breach MD on my AV fit, but I don't break it out enough to get proficient with it against vehicles. I just hide from them. Sigh I remember taking out a Sica with nothing but a few fluxes and a massdriver. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1642	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: [quote=Judge Rhadamanthus]Up to a 15% damage nerf to shields That my friend is not the worst of it. CLUE : Point that puppy at a dropship with no shields Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 56	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:59:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I hear you're doing it wrong. You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad. Sooo true...
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 271	Posted - 2014.03.18 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote olol jihad jeepz ftw bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you bamboo x ('Toxin' Assault Rifle) you bamboo x (Charge Sniper Rifle) you
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11355	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:03:00 - [15] - Quote Out of curiosity, Judge, what are your thoughts on plasma cannons? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Will Driver Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:06:00 - [16] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I spent the day with my proto swarms speced to 1.8 levels. Here comes a video CCP; and you are not going to like it. T-Minus 3 days. Looking forward to the video. Loved the one I saw from you about Swarms not doing damage as they should when shields were down. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1646	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:07:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Out of curiosity, Judge, what are your thoughts on plasma cannons? In need of a lot of help. At this moment I am not exactly sure what to do to them but they need lots of love. I am hoping to work with Gazabaran soon to see if we can get a push going to get CCP to sort them out. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1648	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:08:00 - [18] - Quote Will Driver wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I spent the day with my proto swarms speced to 1.8 levels. Here comes a video CCP; and you are not going to like it. T-Minus 3 days. Looking forward to the video. Loved the one I saw from you about Swarms not doing damage as they should when shields were down. Its a new version of that. I didnt make the point that dropshisp get a built in damage reduction bonus clear enough. Thats why I pulled the video. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Patrlck 56 29	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Sigh I remember taking out a Sica with nothing but a few fluxes and a massdriver. That was the best!
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2563	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:19:00 - [20] - Quote My tank kill percentages Advanced forge prof 4 with two complex damage mods: Militia tanks: 75% Gunlogis: 35% Madrugars: 50% Top reasons I don't kill the tank: 3. Overpowered by ground forces or the tank itself 2. Tank runs away insanely fast or is cycling hardeners or has insane reps (no opening for attacks, or I can't deal any damage) 1. Terrain glitches (sliding on hills, tripping on rocks, or a tiny bump in the hill that causes my reticle to aim slightly higher/lower causing the blast to hit the ground or just miss completely) 1.8 nerf: 18.7% extra damage from mods reduced to 9.35% 12% extra damage to shields from prof reduced to 0 So that's like using an adv forge with one damage mod and no prof against shields. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1233	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:21:00 - [21] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. Don't need to see the footage to know that of which you speak, I live that video all day every day on Dust. I'm just glad someone who's actually got video capture software finally has something to show people. MAG ~ Raven
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2371	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:21:00 - [22] - Quote All I will say is this: While editing your video judge. Please keep in mind that against Caldari HAVs, swarms are by design supposed to be poor damage. The problem here is the lack of racial parity. We need the PLC as anti shield AV and a heavy laser AV variant as anti shield to round out the damage bonus profile for AV against vehicles. In the meantime though, an EM missile variant to the swarms may be what is needed until racial parity for infantry AV can be achieved. They've clearly designed it so that: Explosives are all-in anti armor Hybrids and Projectiles are so-so to both Lasers are all-in anti shield. Whether or not you agree or disagree with this design philosophy is irrelevant, but I think we can both acknowledge that the lack of laser AV and laser-based large turrets puts Caldari HAVs at a significant advantage in 1.8, purely by game design. The imbalance comes purely from lack of racial parity and not necessarily due to the tank being OP. However, I also say this acknowledging that infantry AV is still underpowered vs. HAVs. I personally believe that a lot of this is just due to some modules needing a power reduction. Along with a railgun nerf (seriously hate railguns in general, its like a shotgun with the range of a sniper rifle).
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8360	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:26:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I hear you're doing it wrong. You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad. Was Judge the one who pointed out swarms are broken and not applying full damage? I dont see how any HAVer, myself included can argue they are OP, or balanced. Also I dont think anyone necessarily expects you to require a full squad of AVers to take down and HAV.....but I fail to understand why if HAV have such an impact on infantry ground game......infantry doesnt make a more concerted effort to destroy HAV? ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ALERT: (Not to be taken as me making a statement of fact). I honestly dont see much AV in game. Not until our team is at the redline...and by then it is too late. I would definately support minor AV damage buffs.....but dont want to because I am unfamiliar with the affects of such buffs on lighter frame vehicles like dropships. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Nirwanda Vaughns Death Firm. 446	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:28:00 - [24] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1940157#post1940157 Rolling with the punches
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2461	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:43:00 - [25] - Quote The video will probably cover these issue: -swarms not capable to get trough the damage threshold of hardened shield vehicles -swarms dealing only 59% of their original damage versus dropships (without hardeners) -lock on time etc. -how the max lock on distance is "poor" Basically its going to be a nice rant about it. By the way judge a saga-II is aswell unkillable with swarms and even a large blaster when its turning his hardener on. Because it heals over 200HP/s which means nothing except forges and rails can kill that hardened LAV. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3159	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:50:00 - [26] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I have some footage that will make your (if you are a swarmer) blood boil. It doesn't bother me anymore, I've accepted it. I don't have a single swarm fit anymore. I put a Breach MD on my AV fit, but I don't break it out enough to get proficient with it against vehicles. I just hide from them. Sigh I remember taking out a Sica with nothing but a few fluxes and a massdriver. Do you believe this tanker knew what he was doing? I pull out a tank from time to time and I get owned by everything, but I've spent a total of about 15 minutes in tanks. I have problems with highly skilled blaster tanks pushing their win button in pubs. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
J0LLY R0G3R Imperfects Negative-Feedback 625	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:52:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Did you come to the conclusion that you would have been better off trying to kill a vehicle with a shotgun? You saying I can't shoot a dropship out of the air with my CRG? XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3159	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:52:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I hear you're doing it wrong. You need a full squad running proto AV with triple damage mods and prof 5, and then whatever vehicle you're shooting should have a 50% chance of surviving and a 25% chance of killing your entire squad. Was Judge the one who pointed out swarms are broken and not applying full damage? I dont see how any HAVer, myself included can argue they are OP, or balanced. Also I dont think anyone necessarily expects you to require a full squad of AVers to take down and HAV.....but I fail to understand why if HAV have such an impact on infantry ground game......infantry doesnt make a more concerted effort to destroy HAV? ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE ALERT: (Not to be taken as me making a statement of fact). I honestly dont see much AV in game. Not until our team is at the redline...and by then it is too late. I would definately support minor AV damage buffs.....but dont want to because I am unfamiliar with the affects of such buffs on lighter frame vehicles like dropships. If it were 1 tank vs 3 infantry game mode, but unfortunately you have to contend with infantry as well as the tanks. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3159	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:54:00 - [29] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Did you come to the conclusion that you would have been better off trying to kill a vehicle with a shotgun? You saying I can't shoot a dropship out of the air with my CRG? It's as effective as swarms, if you were able to jump off a tower and land a clean shot I'd say it would do more damage. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott Level 3 Forum Warrior
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7453	Posted - 2014.03.18 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote Oh snap, Judge Dredd is about to Judge. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor



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