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SPESHULz The Southern Legion 35	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:32:00 - [1] - Quote The hmg was my first love and i was still using it when mediums with ARs would win 1v1. But with increased rate of fire and selective weapon nerfing it will be joyous **** train central. I have always thought it ridiculous that you would be able to switch to a sidearm with a heavy weapon without dropping it but forge gunners would get smashed. As a heavy i think it would help balance if you have a hmg equiped you are unable to use a sidearm. Yes there is a longer reload but you asked for it with 425 bullets. Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3535	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:36:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe a reduction to weapon switch speed. I've always been amused at how rapidly I can pull up a pistol from seemingly nowhere. No.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2711	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:39:00 - [3] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Maybe a reduction to weapon switch speed. I've always been amused at how rapidly I can pull up a pistol from seemingly nowhere. Is it me or does it take to long to throw grenades when you have a heavy weapon out? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3272	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:43:00 - [4] - Quote The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 993	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:46:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Maybe a reduction to weapon switch speed. I've always been amused at how rapidly I can pull up a pistol from seemingly nowhere. Is it me or does it take to long to throw grenades when you have a heavy weapon out? Thats due to your movement speed, the faster you are moving, the faster you can throw Well at least thats how I have found it to work 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
rpastry The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 133	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:55:00 - [6] - Quote hmg is strapped to heavy frame, its not carried by the players arms; let go and it wont fall off . makes perfect sense to be able to switch quickly to a handheld weapon. light weapons are a different thing; a shoulder mounted hand-supported weapon would fall to the ground, or at the very least obstruct you, and you need to let go of a rifle and at least sling it round your shoulder before firing a sidearm is possible. but you arent complaining about realism in those situations are you? PS im not a heavy, I just think your contention is not valid. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 118	Posted - 2014.03.18 14:58:00 - [7] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. What you're asking should be applied to everyone. Not just the heavy. So where exactly does the rifle go when you switch to your sidearm? If you're asking for this, all primary weapon carriers should be hampered by they're primary when using a secondary since it's supposed to be hanging from their bodies instead of just disappearing. Seems like everyone just wants to nerf the heavy.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 225	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:00:00 - [8] - Quote rpastry wrote: hmg is strapped to heavy frame, its not carried by the players arms; let go and it wont fall off . makes perfect sense to be able to switch quickly to a handheld weapon. light weapons are a different thing; a shoulder mounted hand-supported weapon would fall to the ground, or at the very least obstruct you, and you need to let go of a rifle and at least sling it round your shoulder before firing a sidearm is possible. but you arent complaining about realism in those situations are you? PS im not a heavy, I just think your contention is not valid. But if you just drop it and pull your sidearm you would most likely topple over. And yes the switch weapon animation is too fast for all. I would prefer they re-nerf their turning speed and possibly slow down the switch animation for everyone. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3274	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:02:00 - [9] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. What you're asking should be applied to everyone. Not just the heavy. So where exactly does the rifle go when you switch to your sidearm? If you're asking for this, all primary weapon carriers should be hampered by they're primary when using a secondary since it's supposed to be hanging from their bodies instead of just disappearing. Seems like everyone just wants to nerf the heavy. I'd like to see a Mass Effect style animation with the weapon stored somewhere visible. Really, where does that scout hide that Plasma Cannon? Wait, I'm not sure I want to know... Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 35	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:14:00 - [10] - Quote rpastry wrote: hmg is strapped to heavy frame, its not carried by the players arms; let go and it wont fall off . makes perfect sense to be able to switch quickly to a handheld weapon. light weapons are a different thing; a shoulder mounted hand-supported weapon would fall to the ground, or at the very least obstruct you, and you need to let go of a rifle and at least sling it round your shoulder before firing a sidearm is possible. but you arent complaining about realism in those situations are you? PS im not a heavy, I just think your contention is not valid. The strap is to distribute some weight to shoulder not for switching. Perfect sense to quickly switch from a hmg to a sidearm. As someone who has carried a machine gun that would way less then dust version no way. Before you bring up heavies being bigger i am 195cm 110 kilos. Oh bring up light weapons brilliant. because wearing a sling on assault rifles is actually used for switching to pistols Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02

Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 251	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:17:00 - [11] - Quote rpastry wrote: hmg is strapped to heavy frame, its not carried by the players arms; let go and it wont fall off . makes perfect sense to be able to switch quickly to a handheld weapon. light weapons are a different thing; a shoulder mounted hand-supported weapon would fall to the ground, or at the very least obstruct you, and you need to let go of a rifle and at least sling it round your shoulder before firing a sidearm is possible. but you arent complaining about realism in those situations are you? PS im not a heavy, I just think your contention is not valid. The SMG used to have a sling... Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:17:00 - [12] - Quote Have weapon draw/switch speed be a function of rank in Dropsuit Command. "Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 265	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:25:00 - [13] - Quote Weapon switch time is fine.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:46:00 - [14] - Quote SPESHULz wrote: The hmg was my first love and i was still using it when mediums with ARs would win 1v1. But with increased rate of fire and selective weapon nerfing it will be joyous **** train central. I have always thought it ridiculous that you would be able to switch to a sidearm with a heavy weapon without dropping it but forge gunners would get smashed. As a heavy i think it would help balance if you have a hmg equiped you are unable to use a sidearm. Yes there is a longer reload but you asked for it with 425 bullets. Honestly, how in the hell do you think that is a good idea. I don't remember if the forge has it but the HMG is on a sling, and to think that the genetically modified, massively muscled, powered exoskeleton clone would have an issue with carrying/using a teeny tiny sidearm while the HMG is hanging from the sling is laughable . This idea is as bad as limited logis to just a sidearm. The graphics ingame aren't at a level to show this, but I'd hope we can see it in the future. Sorry if I'm a bit agro at your idea but................
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3524	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:51:00 - [15] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. Should this include reduced accuracy due to firing with one hand? Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:53:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Maybe a reduction to weapon switch speed. I've always been amused at how rapidly I can pull up a pistol from seemingly nowhere. The weapon storage graphics ingame are non existent, but hopefully at some stage we will have the heavy with their sidearm displayed high on their chest, and when they switch, all that happens is the heavy weapon is dropped to hang from the sling and the sidearm is quickly deployed from the chest. Other suits would have a main weapon lock onto their back similar to Mass Effect through something like a magnetic clamp with the sidearm positioned somewhere else on the body.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 226	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:54:00 - [17] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I'd like to see a Mass Effect style animation with the weapon stored somewhere visible. Really, where does that scout hide that Plasma Cannon? Wait, I'm not sure I want to know... As far back as Halo 3 had weapons viewable on player models. I'm sure someone can cite other games maybe even further back. Yes - we should be able to see what people are carrying. Technically it maybe an issue and we may not see it for years or on another platform. Experts in that area could chime in and let us know if possible. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2205	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:57:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. That would look insane. How about sidearm in left hand, heavy weapon suspended on strap and held away with right hand. Also I hink if anyone the Assault should have the fastest switch speed, to sidearm (due to it being holstered on hip), but a slower change back to light weapon. Commando Should then have fastest to light swap speed and scout should have fastest to cloak speed. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2206	Posted - 2014.03.18 15:59:00 - [19] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I'd like to see a Mass Effect style animation with the weapon stored somewhere visible. Really, where does that scout hide that Plasma Cannon? Wait, I'm not sure I want to know... As far back as Halo 3 had weapons viewable on player models. I'm sure someone can cite other games maybe even further back. Yes - we should be able to see what people are carrying. Technically it maybe an issue and we may not see it for years or on another platform. Experts in that area could chime in and let us know if possible. Shouldn't be too difficult the model is simply attached to the player model continously. However we would have to watch for additional lag from having all weapons constantly rendedred. WE migh have to consider low texture renders when holstered. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 498	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:03:00 - [20] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Jake Diesel wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. What you're asking should be applied to everyone. Not just the heavy. So where exactly does the rifle go when you switch to your sidearm? If you're asking for this, all primary weapon carriers should be hampered by they're primary when using a secondary since it's supposed to be hanging from their bodies instead of just disappearing. Seems like everyone just wants to nerf the heavy. I'd like to see a Mass Effect style animation with the weapon stored somewhere visible. Really, where does that scout hide that Plasma Cannon? Wait, I'm not sure I want to know... Honest, I'm not happy to see ya and it's just my plasma cannon in my pocket

Master Smurf Nos Nothi 226	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:10:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Master Smurf wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: I'd like to see a Mass Effect style animation with the weapon stored somewhere visible. Really, where does that scout hide that Plasma Cannon? Wait, I'm not sure I want to know... As far back as Halo 3 had weapons viewable on player models. I'm sure someone can cite other games maybe even further back. Yes - we should be able to see what people are carrying. Technically it maybe an issue and we may not see it for years or on another platform. Experts in that area could chime in and let us know if possible. Shouldn't be too difficult the model is simply attached to the player model continously. However we would have to watch for additional lag from having all weapons constantly rendedred. WE migh have to consider low texture renders when holstered. That was my thinking - thanks for prompt response. Would love it. It adds to immersion and tactics. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 559	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:13:00 - [22] - Quote SPESHULz wrote: realism You're a cloned, immortal space warrior 21,000 years in the future firing laser, plasma, rail, and traditional projectile weapons in the safety of your full-body armored suit which is repaired by swarms of nanites and also protects you from very high falls by using complex inertial dampeners.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7607	Posted - 2014.03.18 16:14:00 - [23] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: The original switch speed was more realistic but someone decided to appease the COD crowd. I'd love to see it reduced and possibly based on suit type. When entering a 3 second fire fight you should pretty much be committed to what you have in your hand. The Heavy animation should be changed so the Heavy continues to hold the main weapon with the off hand, supported by a strap, and you fire the sidearm with your right. One of the basic fundamental aspects of even carrying a sidearm is having something to quickly switch to if you need to reload your weapon but need firepower now. Maybe increase weapon swap speed a little, but it still needs to be faster than most reloads. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 48	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:26:00 - [24] - Quote Ayures II wrote: SPESHULz wrote: realism You're a cloned, immortal space warrior 21,000 years in the future firing laser, plasma, rail, and traditional projectile weapons in the safety of your full-body armored suit which is repaired by swarms of nanites and also protects you from very high falls by using complex inertial dampeners. Problem? Blood flows. Death comes. War rages. Maths is OP. It is all those numbers that kills you. Forum Warrior lvl 0.02
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 52	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:30:00 - [25] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: rpastry wrote: hmg is strapped to heavy frame, its not carried by the players arms; let go and it wont fall off . makes perfect sense to be able to switch quickly to a handheld weapon. light weapons are a different thing; a shoulder mounted hand-supported weapon would fall to the ground, or at the very least obstruct you, and you need to let go of a rifle and at least sling it round your shoulder before firing a sidearm is possible. but you arent complaining about realism in those situations are you? PS im not a heavy, I just think your contention is not valid. But if you just drop it and pull your sidearm you would most likely topple over. And yes the switch weapon animation is too fast for all. I would prefer they re-nerf their turning speed and possibly slow down the switch animation for everyone. Noooo nonono no no no nooooooo - no no nono, nope, no - aww hell no! I can haz all your Officer Heavy weapons?
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 70	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:31:00 - [26] - Quote They are actually not holding the HMG, it s strapped to them so it would be actually faster to get the sidearm, they realisticlly shoot with sidearms while they have their HMG on them, they basiclly do not put HMG aside to get some small gun. They are not just holding it with hands.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 52	Posted - 2014.03.19 14:34:00 - [27] - Quote I like this, I think you're onto something with the weapon swapping mechanics, not necessarily a change >Nerf< but something like showing both weapons you are holding, and having an animation to show putting away/holstering your rifle and then getting your Pistol Robocop style from your inbuilt leg holster would be awesome! Being a heavy myself, I'm sceptical for any changes to the race specifically but logically you also have a point about the bulk of the HMG/FG and the strap etc, so maybe just food for thought for the Dev teams for future improvements. I can haz all your Officer Heavy weapons?


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