DUST Search - DON'T NERF MY SMG!!!!

Baal Omniscient wrote:

With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....

The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.

And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?

You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.

I. Will. Wage. Forum War.

Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!

(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)

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Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1165	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:52:00 - [1] - Quote With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort..... The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now. And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down? You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP. I. Will. Wage. Forum War. Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!! (Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.) MAG ~ Raven
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11290	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:54:00 - [2] - Quote I had a similar reaction to the breach AR being nerfed more heavily than the SCR and almost as much as the CR/RR. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 822	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:00:00 - [3] - Quote Well said, Baal! + 1 for the entertainment and solid comment on the SMG. I for one have found the SMG to be perhaps the most balanced and functional weapon in the game. While I don't like the nerf on it my only thought is that they are trying to keep its strengths relative to the basic racial rifle class. Yes, I know ..."so what doe a that make the MagSec?" ...short answer is that I'm not sure yet. That said, the MagSec looks like witch magic and I'll have to skill into it. On top of that it's Caldari and that's boss. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 726	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote +1 would also like to add gallente smg plasma flamethrower or bust! I know it won't hold a candle (pun intended) to the magsec if were ever released but I dislike how ccp treats range as only small strength increase on a weapon. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3488	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: (Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.) I call mine "THE SYNDICATE" (Emphasis lol) My knives are also called Kanshou and Bakuya Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis 312	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:08:00 - [6] - Quote i dont think the SMGs are being nerfed so much as their being kept in line with all the rest of the nerfs. hopefully, itll remain about where it is now compaired to other weapons after all is said and done. if it didnt get kept in line with the rest of them, it would have inherited the OP crown.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13449	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:10:00 - [7] - Quote In before SMG > Rifles complex. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
howard sanchez Sanchez Cartage llc 878	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:14:00 - [8] - Quote So what is the mag sec exactly? A sidearm rail rifle? Is it hybrid plasma/blaster style or what? Thanks cuz I've been wondering
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 217	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:19:00 - [9] - Quote Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again. Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514!
jerrmy12 kahoalii 525	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:22:00 - [10] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again. Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514! Check my latest protofits fitting.exactly 0 cpu let lol. Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1169	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:23:00 - [11] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: i dont think the SMGs are being nerfed so much as their being kept in line with all the rest of the nerfs. hopefully, itll remain about where it is now compaired to other weapons after all is said and done. if it didnt get kept in line with the rest of them, it would have inherited the OP crown. But by doing so, they are not being kept in line with the other sidearms. They were perfectly balanced against pistols since they had comparable DPS but the SMG required less precision and had a longer fire time while the pistol got bonus damage from headshots. They are now putting the Magsec in that is better than both the SMG and pistol WERE and nerfing the SMG. So basically the ranged sidearms rank- Flaylock/SMG/all the pistols/Magsec instead of the SMG being an even match with the pistols. At least if the SMG were on par with the pistols it would stand a chance against the Magsec, but with increased TTK even sneaking up on a Magsec won't help you win the fight if they are even a halfway decent shot. MAG ~ Raven
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 217	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:23:00 - [12] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: So what is the mag sec exactly? A sidearm rail rifle? Is it hybrid plasma/blaster style or what? Thanks cuz I've been wondering It's a mini rail machine pistol...
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1169	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again. Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514! That would be fine... if my proficiency 5 sidearm skill in SMG's weren't completely worthless to me for 2 straight months. MAG ~ Raven
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1169	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:26:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In before SMG > Rifles complex. New nerfed CBR stats still better than current SMG stats. Unless you are referring to the Magsec SMG, then yeah agreed. MAG ~ Raven
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 144	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:45:00 - [15] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort..... The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now. And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down? You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP. I. Will. Wage. Forum War. Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!! (Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.) sorry, its minmitar. You know it was bound to happen eventually. (see-flaylock, mass driver, soon to be CR, soon to be SMG, min assault, min scout, min heavy is prenerfed) Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1738	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:48:00 - [16] - Quote Meh. I don't care about anything on this franchise anymore. Let them nerf it, I'll just use something else. I'm waiting for my Gallente SMG.
Asher Night Dark Tengu 512	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote As someone who has specced all the way into the SMG, I have to say I'm not happy about it getting weaker either, but as already mentioned it's not so much being nerfed as it is kept in line with other weapons. If it were to remain as is with the upcoming patch, it might even be op. In my opinion, too many weapons are getting nerfed. 100% Tactical Scout Corporation
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 941	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:56:00 - [18] - Quote I've always preferred the name Dak for my Smg. Y'know, short for Dakka Dakka. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 242	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:01:00 - [19] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Well said, Baal! + 1 for the entertainment and solid comment on the SMG. I for one have found the SMG to be perhaps the most balanced and functional weapon in the game. While I don't like the nerf on it my only thought is that they are trying to keep its strengths relative to the basic racial rifle class. Yes, I know ..."so what does that make the MagSec?" ...short answer is that I'm not sure yet. That said, the MagSec looks like witch magic and I'll have to skill into it. On top of that it's Caldari and that's boss. It's one of the oldest, so theyve gotten it right. Same thing (sort of) with the scrambler pistols. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
DootDoot Da Short Buss 275	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:23:00 - [20] - Quote SMG is only strong if 80% if the bullets land.... Which in any game with solid aiming and hit detection would be near impossible to do... In DUST with AA and Bullet Magnetism? pretty easy..... however sad that is... And the Raw DPS if your hitting 80% of your bullets with very little skill involved or needed is too crazy.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 526	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote DootDoot wrote: SMG is only strong if 80% if the bullets land.... Which in any game with solid aiming and hit detection would be near impossible to do... In DUST with AA and Bullet Magnetism? pretty easy..... however sad that is... And the Raw DPS if your hitting 80% of your bullets with very little skill involved or needed is too crazy. I hope in 1.8 patch notes they tweak aim assist a little Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4677	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:48:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I'm waiting for my Gallente SMG. You mean the Personal Flame Thrower? Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1419	Posted - 2014.03.17 23:50:00 - [23] - Quote +1 Leave the SMG alone. It's got craptacular range compared to the Magsec and pretty much all the other sidearms anyway. My toxin has served me well and I'd like to continue skilling into it. Double posting like a Kaiser.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1175	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:00:00 - [24] - Quote Toxin SMG does the same damage as the six kin ACR, at half the range, with only 200 lower ROF, with a larger magazine. A basic BPO, does the same damage as a Prototype rifle, within its optimal range, with a larger magazine. I love my toxin. Its not as bad as you think. Compared to the Magsec, its garbage, but still usable. Just more niche now I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 406	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:09:00 - [25] - Quote I highly agree its unnessecary , through thick an thin that gun bailed me out, my sg detection and knives were busted for months, faylock beaten dead, burried , dug up an beaten again, cr getting the Thor hammer, so now it's Time to max my pistol I guess. At one point in time dual SMGS was the only weapon I had out of 5 at pro 5 that actually worked! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
DootDoot Da Short Buss 277	Posted - 2014.03.18 00:33:00 - [26] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig Pretty much says it all.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 865	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Don't say anything bad about Maggy! you're the father
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 865	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:21:00 - [28] - Quote The Infected One wrote: Toxin SMG does the same damage as the six kin ACR, at half the range, with only 200 lower ROF, with a larger magazine. A basic BPO, does the same damage as a Prototype rifle, within its optimal range, with a larger magazine. I love my toxin. Its not as bad as you think. Compared to the Magsec, its garbage, but still usable. Just more niche now I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo I like how you decided to forget how much 200 bullets per seconds is that it was not worth mentioning in the second sentence. you're the father
jerrmy12 kahoalii 528	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:21:00 - [29] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Don't say anything bad about Maggy! You need isk? Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3507	Posted - 2014.03.18 01:25:00 - [30] - Quote But please remove Assault SMGs those are just straight up similar case as Assault Pistols. All around better they just need to go for the greater good. Nothing I hate more than Assault SMG as armor heavy scout. 68 inches above sea level...



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