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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:52:00 -
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With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
MAG ~ Raven
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.03.17 20:54:00 -
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I had a similar reaction to the breach AR being nerfed more heavily than the SCR and almost as much as the CR/RR.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:00:00 -
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Well said, Baal! + 1 for the entertainment and solid comment on the SMG.
I for one have found the SMG to be perhaps the most balanced and functional weapon in the game. While I don't like the nerf on it my only thought is that they are trying to keep its strengths relative to the basic racial rifle class. Yes, I know ..."so what doe a that make the MagSec?" ...short answer is that I'm not sure yet.
That said, the MagSec looks like witch magic and I'll have to skill into it. On top of that it's Caldari and that's boss.
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:03:00 -
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+1
would also like to add gallente smg plasma flamethrower or bust! I know it won't hold a candle (pun intended) to the magsec if were ever released but I dislike how ccp treats range as only small strength increase on a weapon.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.17 21:37:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
I call mine "THE SYNDICATE" (Emphasis lol)
My knives are also called Kanshou and Bakuya 
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:08:00 -
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i dont think the SMGs are being nerfed so much as their being kept in line with all the rest of the nerfs. hopefully, itll remain about where it is now compaired to other weapons after all is said and done. if it didnt get kept in line with the rest of them, it would have inherited the OP crown. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:10:00 -
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In before SMG > Rifles complex.
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howard sanchez
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:14:00 -
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So what is the mag sec exactly? A sidearm rail rifle? Is it hybrid plasma/blaster style or what? Thanks cuz I've been wondering |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:19:00 -
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Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again.
Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:22:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again.
Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514!
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:23:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:i dont think the SMGs are being nerfed so much as their being kept in line with all the rest of the nerfs. hopefully, itll remain about where it is now compaired to other weapons after all is said and done. if it didnt get kept in line with the rest of them, it would have inherited the OP crown.
But by doing so, they are not being kept in line with the other sidearms. They were perfectly balanced against pistols since they had comparable DPS but the SMG required less precision and had a longer fire time while the pistol got bonus damage from headshots. They are now putting the Magsec in that is better than both the SMG and pistol WERE and nerfing the SMG. So basically the ranged sidearms rank- Flaylock/SMG/all the pistols/Magsec instead of the SMG being an even match with the pistols. At least if the SMG were on par with the pistols it would stand a chance against the Magsec, but with increased TTK even sneaking up on a Magsec won't help you win the fight if they are even a halfway decent shot.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:23:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:So what is the mag sec exactly? A sidearm rail rifle? Is it hybrid plasma/blaster style or what? Thanks cuz I've been wondering
It's a mini rail machine pistol...
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:24:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Relax dude, the smg will be underdog for two month, until the new sidearms get nerfed into oblivion again.
Than you will just be using it again like usual. Two month is nothing in the ups and downs of nerf/buff514!
That would be fine... if my proficiency 5 sidearm skill in SMG's weren't completely worthless to me for 2 straight months.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:In before SMG > Rifles complex.
New nerfed CBR stats still better than current SMG stats. Unless you are referring to the Magsec SMG, then yeah agreed.
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:45:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
sorry, its minmitar. You know it was bound to happen eventually. (see-flaylock, mass driver, soon to be CR, soon to be SMG, min assault, min scout, min heavy is prenerfed)
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:48:00 -
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Meh. I don't care about anything on this franchise anymore.
Let them nerf it, I'll just use something else.
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:52:00 -
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As someone who has specced all the way into the SMG, I have to say I'm not happy about it getting weaker either, but as already mentioned it's not so much being nerfed as it is kept in line with other weapons. If it were to remain as is with the upcoming patch, it might even be op.
In my opinion, too many weapons are getting nerfed.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:56:00 -
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I've always preferred the name Dak for my Smg.
Y'know, short for Dakka Dakka.
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:01:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Well said, Baal! + 1 for the entertainment and solid comment on the SMG.
I for one have found the SMG to be perhaps the most balanced and functional weapon in the game. While I don't like the nerf on it my only thought is that they are trying to keep its strengths relative to the basic racial rifle class. Yes, I know ..."so what does that make the MagSec?" ...short answer is that I'm not sure yet.
That said, the MagSec looks like witch magic and I'll have to skill into it. On top of that it's Caldari and that's boss.
It's one of the oldest, so theyve gotten it right. Same thing (sort of) with the scrambler pistols.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:23:00 -
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SMG is only strong if 80% if the bullets land.... Which in any game with solid aiming and hit detection would be near impossible to do...
In DUST with AA and Bullet Magnetism? pretty easy..... however sad that is... And the Raw DPS if your hitting 80% of your bullets with very little skill involved or needed is too crazy. |
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:26:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:SMG is only strong if 80% if the bullets land.... Which in any game with solid aiming and hit detection would be near impossible to do...
In DUST with AA and Bullet Magnetism? pretty easy..... however sad that is... And the Raw DPS if your hitting 80% of your bullets with very little skill involved or needed is too crazy.
I hope in 1.8 patch notes they tweak aim assist a little
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:48:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:
I'm waiting for my Gallente SMG.
You mean the Personal Flame Thrower?
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2014.03.17 23:50:00 -
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+1
Leave the SMG alone. It's got craptacular range compared to the Magsec and pretty much all the other sidearms anyway. My toxin has served me well and I'd like to continue skilling into it.
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:00:00 -
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Toxin SMG does the same damage as the six kin ACR, at half the range, with only 200 lower ROF, with a larger magazine.
A basic BPO, does the same damage as a Prototype rifle, within its optimal range, with a larger magazine.
I love my toxin.
Its not as bad as you think.
Compared to the Magsec, its garbage, but still usable. Just more niche now I guess.
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DEZKA DIABLO
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:09:00 -
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I highly agree its unnessecary , through thick an thin that gun bailed me out, my sg detection and knives were busted for months, faylock beaten dead, burried , dug up an beaten again, cr getting the Thor hammer, so now it's Time to max my pistol I guess.
At one point in time dual SMGS was the only weapon I had out of 5 at pro 5 that actually worked!
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
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Posted - 2014.03.18 00:33:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig
Pretty much says it all. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:18:00 -
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Don't say anything bad about Maggy!
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:21:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Toxin SMG does the same damage as the six kin ACR, at half the range, with only 200 lower ROF, with a larger magazine. A basic BPO, does the same damage as a Prototype rifle, within its optimal range, with a larger magazine. I love my toxin. Its not as bad as you think. Compared to the Magsec, its garbage, but still usable. Just more niche now I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo
I like how you decided to forget how much 200 bullets per seconds is that it was not worth mentioning in the second sentence.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:21:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Don't say anything bad about Maggy!
You need isk?
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:25:00 -
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But please remove Assault SMGs those are just straight up similar case as Assault Pistols. All around better they just need to go for the greater good. Nothing I hate more than Assault SMG as armor heavy scout.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:27:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Don't say anything bad about Maggy! You need isk?
Yeah.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:28:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Don't say anything bad about Maggy! You need isk? Yeah.
Now much right now atm?
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:31:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Don't say anything bad about Maggy! You need isk? Yeah. Now much right now atm?
40 mil and 1 isk.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:32:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Don't say anything bad about Maggy! You need isk? Yeah. Now much right now atm? 40 mil and 1 isk.
I said right now.
Message me in game.
10 mil and hiher is reasonable, as of right now.
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Matticus Monk
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:49:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:The Infected One wrote:Toxin SMG does the same damage as the six kin ACR, at half the range, with only 200 lower ROF, with a larger magazine. A basic BPO, does the same damage as a Prototype rifle, within its optimal range, with a larger magazine. I love my toxin. Its not as bad as you think. Compared to the Magsec, its garbage, but still usable. Just more niche now I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo I like how you decided to forget how much 200 bullets per seconds is that it was not worth mentioning in the second sentence.
200 extra bullets per minute, but your point still stands. Hell, there are LOTS of weapons that have more damage per bullet than the ACR.... infact, most of 'em do.
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Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:54:00 -
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.03.18 06:56:00 -
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Best full auto sidearm to counter shields currently...
Drop it like its hat.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:04:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Best full auto sidearm to counter shields currently...
It'll be up to fluxes soon, that proficiency skill nerf is gonna make it even worse against shields than it already is.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:05:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Best full auto sidearm to counter shields currently... It'll be up to fluxes soon, that proficiency skill nerf is gonna make it even worse against shields than it already is.
And the magsec worse
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 07:24:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Best full auto sidearm to counter shields currently... It'll be up to fluxes soon, that proficiency skill nerf is gonna make it even worse against shields than it already is. And the magsec worse
Not really. Magsec will have a higher penalty, but it has higher DPS, better range and better accuracy. So Magsec still wins out.
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.03.18 08:27:00 -
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Also, high ROF > everything, when the game is below 30 framerate. Which it always is.
Spray n' pray.
Drop it like its hat.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 10:19:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.03.18 10:31:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Also, high ROF > everything, when the game is below 30 framerate. Which it always is.
Spray n' pray.
RR spam being greater than CR spam would seem to suggest otherwise, especially in the full auto category. CR has better ironsights and less kick but the ARR is more popular..... RoF ftw?
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:25:00 -
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Any weapon that requires you to be within 20m to do any worthwhile damage at all needs to have high DPS. The nerf makes as much sense as plasma rifles having less DPS than rail rifles.
Oh yeah, and that charge up time the magsec has that is supposed to balance it - look how well that balances the rail rifle to stop it being a murder machine in close quarters 
And it really shouldn't have been a straight damage nerf to any of the weapons anyway - should have been a ROF nerf instead.
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Ahrendee Mercenaries
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:45:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea!
I'm willing to bet that if you take an SMG up against a Magsec at point blank, the Magsec user is going down hard.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 11:48:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea! I'm willing to bet that if you take an SMG up against a Magsec at point blank, the Magsec user is going down hard.
Just like rr vs cr
Its rof makes it harder to use in cqc
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:01:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea! I'm willing to bet that if you take an SMG up against a Magsec at point blank, the Magsec user is going down hard. Just like rr vs cr Its rof makes it harder to use in cqc
I've yet to see a single RR user QQ about it's poor cqc performance, even the scrubby ones who you'd expect to. The silence alone is proof enough that it's cqc is still too good.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 15:08:00 -
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Prof 5 with SMG here.
Don't nerf my sidearm
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Posted - 2014.03.18 19:37:00 -
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Still waiting for a bluetag response.
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Posted - 2014.03.18 21:28:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:But please remove Assault SMGs those are just straight up similar case as Assault Pistols. All around better they just need to go for the greater good. Nothing I hate more than Assault SMG as armor heavy scout.
The Ishukone is nice and everything... But something about That Six Kin Submachine gun... It has a majesty for bullet registry.. i rarely miss with it... where the ishukone can blow its load without the same accuracy. The DPS potential of tat ishukone doe.. |
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:05:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:But please remove Assault SMGs those are just straight up similar case as Assault Pistols. All around better they just need to go for the greater good. Nothing I hate more than Assault SMG as armor heavy scout. The Ishukone is nice and everything... But something about That Six Kin Submachine gun... It has a majesty for bullet registry.. i rarely miss with it... where the ishukone can blow its load without the same accuracy. The DPS potential of tat ishukone doe..
I like the added range on the assault variant.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 08:15:00 -
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SMG's need the nerf. Some of them are outperforming some of the primary weapons ffs! |
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:30:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:SMG's need the nerf. Some of them are outperforming some of the primary weapons ffs!
Every weapon in the game can out perform every other weapon in the right hands. Your post is invalid.
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General12912
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Posted - 2014.03.19 09:42:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea!
the smg was nerfed so it didnt deal more dps than its cousin, the combat rifle. being a light weapon, the CR should do more dps than its sidearm counterpart.
dont worry, the SMG will still be a depndable sidearm. people will still fall to your 'Syndicate' smg and my 'Toxin' ICD-9 smg.
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Posted - 2014.03.19 12:08:00 -
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General12912 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea! the smg was nerfed so it didnt deal more dps than its cousin, the combat rifle. being a light weapon, the CR should do more dps than its sidearm counterpart. dont worry, the SMG will still be a depndable sidearm. people will still fall to your 'Syndicate' smg and my 'Toxin' ICD-9 smg.
I'll wait and see how it gows, but I'll be back after the first scout 1v1's me with a magsec and I die before I manage to break their shields.
MAG ~ Raven
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:13:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:General12912 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:With only a day and a half left before the patch notes hit, this is my last ditch effort.....
The Magsec was already better in pretty much every aspect before you decided to gimp poor Syndi. She's stuck with me through thick and thin, through the missile crisis, through the 80m HMG range, through the TAR incident, through the LLAV debacle, through the flaylock barrage, through the MD massacre, through the 1-second-grenade-fuse experiment, through the lazor melting madness, through the repping nanohive nightmare, and even up through this hellish tank/RR spam. Syndi has been a reliable yet never OP sidearm to me for over a year now.
And now, after having been a solid but never over-the-top sidearm to me for over a year, you have the GALL to NERF MY SYNDI while simultaneously releasing an OBVIOUSLY superior weapon!? HOW DARE YOU TREAT MY LADY LIKE THAT?! What has she ever done to you?! 2 years of faithful service in the Dust 514 armory and just when you release a newer more powerful model you kick her while she's down?
You might be doing this to get people to try out the new Magsec, but that is a FILTHY move and I for one WILL NOT TOLERATE IT. You have a fight on your hands now CCP.
I. Will. Wage. Forum War.
Don't break our Minmatar SMG!!!!
(Edit: I suppose I should clarify, Syndi is what I call my Syndicate SMG.)
BLUE TAGS! You say you read the forums, I want to know why you would do this to our SMG while putting in a weapon that is stronger than it is and with better range. I challenge you! DEBATE ME! TELL me why you think this is a good idea! the smg was nerfed so it didnt deal more dps than its cousin, the combat rifle. being a light weapon, the CR should do more dps than its sidearm counterpart. dont worry, the SMG will still be a depndable sidearm. people will still fall to your 'Syndicate' smg and my 'Toxin' ICD-9 smg. I'll wait and see how it gows, but I'll be back after the first scout 1v1's me with a magsec and I die before I manage to break their shields.
im a partial scout, but the last thig i'll be using is the magsec. i use the smg because it makes a good alternative to my shotgun. i have to aim with the shotgun, yet i dont have to aim as much with the smg cuz of its regular ability to spray. its for when i dont have time to take aim. the magsec wont fire at a rate fast enough for my needs
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Posted - 2014.03.19 20:16:00 -
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What happens when you put anti-venom(the nerf) on venom(mai TOXIN SMG), it disappears!
Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!!
AMARRIAN4LYFE!
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:47:00 -
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tander09 wrote:What happens when you put anti-venom(the nerf) on venom(mai TOXIN SMG), it disappears!
indeed
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:49:00 -
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Baal you cursed my Scrambler pistol!
They are nerfing it's RoF by over 30% !!!
That's heavier than the SMG damage nerf!
68 inches above sea level...
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:04:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Baal you cursed my Scrambler pistol!
They are nerfing it's RoF by over 30% !!!
That's heavier than the SMG damage nerf!
You have my sincerest apologies my friend... I've noqw had 12 shots of vodka though and have gotten to the point where I'm not even correcting my gremmaticlal mistakes with spell check anymore,so if you wish, I will let you farm me for kills tomorrow as pennance if you like. 3 matches, all yours buddy =)
MAG ~ Raven
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