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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:13:00 -
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CCP, you consistently leave me befuddled. You make unique games with great lore and then you take a dump on it. You strive for balance using knobs and pulleys rather than combinatorics and statistics. You claim the hardcore title for your release(s) but cave in to the whiniest consumer who strolls through your forum. You want representation from the fanatical community which has taken root at your feet, so you choose who represents ... us?
There is a wall of text coming that has been boiling in on itself for some time, and I do not know how to fit it all in. As a disclaimer I am a Minmatar Loyalist. I am sure many of you may be surprised by this, but this is one reason why I am disgruntled. do not though assume that this means I Lobby for "our" equipment to be "the next" FOTM. I want a well balanced game as much as the next Amarr (so that when I kill him he can not quote game mechanics to me).
Much of my point of view is biased, I realize this. I however have good reason. I have been a Minmatar Loyalist for 11 years. I was here in Beta. I did things like armor tank a Typhoon (a minmatar BS) when everyone else was running around in shield tanked Apoc's (an amarr BS). While I do not hold myself solely responsible, It is because of players like myself, that independently (and yet still collectively) challenge the status quo, that we have the mechanics behind the lore we have today.
Let me give you all a little history lesson. Many of you DEV's may want to pull up a seat as I'm sure most of you have been lucky to find yourself where you are now, only after coddling your first tier 3 frigate less than 5 years ago.... Yes I called no DEV in particular a noob... You know who you are (which is many of you)....
In the beginning, Shield was King. You could not find an "armor tanked" ship. It was as silly to even consider it, much like the idea of hull tanking. Races distinguished themselves on which weapon types they used not what hitpoints they kept. It did not matter which race you were, you had shield skills and shield mods installed on your ship. Then you started seeing armor tankers pop up here and there. The Minmatar had a distinct advantage in that they could usually tank either way and add which ever utility was needed when the call was made. As armor tanking got more popular it was clear that the Gallente and Amarr ships were clearly built for it. In the height of this armor craze you would see even Raven's (a caldari BS) cruising around armor tanked. Something clearly had to be addressed...
It wasn't until they introduced battle cruisers to the game that the races got quarantined into their hit point game mechanics. I remember this moment vividly, as my cyclone came packaged with a bonus to "shield boosting". The memory still gives me acid reflux. Prior to this point, There wasn't a Minmatar ship you would fly with a shield bonus attached to it. come to think of it, there was not a Minmatar ship with a inherent bonus to shields on it that I can recall readily, and yet here it was in front of me. A flaming bag of dog ****. A bad omen for things to come. Spoiler alert, I read the tea leaves all wrong. I thought CCP were trying to box the Minmatar into the shiny new shield box, and totally remove their ability to either effectively tank either way. I was wrong, they released the Hurricane. It had (and still does have) equal slot layouts for either armor or shield tanking and was the fastest battlecruiser out there. A true example of Minmatar pride.
I began to understand what CCP was trying to do with the racial mechanics. The Caldari and Amarr, versus, the Gallente and Minmatar respectively. Caldari and Minmatar favor shields, while Amarr and Gallente favor armor. Each have their own nuances now. The Caldari nuance is electronic warfare. Their shields are thick and tough. They don't have to concern themselves with recharging them for a reason. The Amarr reveal themselves in their management of energy. When it comes to their armor they follow the same format as their friends the Caldari. Thick Armor plates, a virtual nightmare to rend your way through. The Gallente love their bots. Their armor while thin, repairs at an impressive rate. The Minmatar Pride comes with their utility and speed. While they can armor tank, Their shields are designed for quick skirmishes, which means small size and quick to boost back.
Now its time to point some fingers at some god damned elephants.
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:15:00 -
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Lets change topics for a second. Let's talk about Our gracious Dropsuit Command Respec. Hell lets talk about respec's in general .... Do you know why we demand respecs? Because we are playing a Beta. You released a half finished game. It is sad but true. TBH, I am ok with still considering this a beta. A fine piece of art is never truely finished! Now I understand why you had to push dust through. I truly do. hell I'm glad for it. But for all intensive purposes let us call the sky blue for a moment....
When Vehicles were changed drastically you gave a FULL vehicle respec to command, modules and turrets... |
axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
269
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:40:00 -
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Hm
We won't follow the deceiver.
You let this be your warning.
The path of the wretched is burning..
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.03.16 16:40:00 -
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HM Indeed... |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1040
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:17:00 -
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Can I have your isk? |
da GAND
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
506
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:19:00 -
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we haven't got the patch notes yet, and I am hoping that the dev blogs have covered everything in 1.8
After Uprisings release the forums were a bad place, I'll never forget how CCP screwed up so badly.
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
964
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:20:00 -
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Why I don't care about you or this post, its stupid and pointless tl:dr |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7384
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:21:00 -
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Further proof that you just can't satisfy everyone. It is just virtually impossible. There will always be that one guy in the crowd who just wants to disagree.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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ThePlayerkyle13
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
87
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:23:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Why I don't care about you or this post, its stupid and pointless tl:dr
Did you even read it?
His points are valid, if you took the time to process the Wall of Text... |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
1810
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Posted - 2014.03.16 17:51:00 -
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+1 OP. Solid points. CCP is obviously still struggling with racial identity/roles in DUST - just what you would expect in an alpha/beta product.
This patch is progress of the two steps forward one step back variety. The first real pass on TTK/weapons balancing has been long awaited, along with filling out the racial lineups.
The incidental AV grenade nerf, incidental AV damage nerf and the apparent refusal to acknowledge or address the repercussions of tankspam on game play are a biggish step backwards, tbh.
What will be the net effect of 1.8 on the NPE? Almost certainly negative. I hope CCP still has some gameplay/NPE goodies up their sleeve for 1.8.
I support SP rollover.
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Dias Bailey
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:43:00 -
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I don't blame ppl for not reading it. I wouldn't take the time to read a wall of text. I want CCP to read it. I also want them to know, that I know, that they know what must be done...
Look, It's not my thing to cry about this or that. You just don't forsake your core product by switching up things like "inherent racial bonuses". It is as some would say, "junky". |
Tectonic Fusion
1250
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:44:00 -
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LOL
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
154
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:03:00 -
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So.... After reading that wall of textual crap about eve ships comparison to drop suits stats not released yet with any patch notes it come right down to you wanting a full respec...
REALLY?
Wasn't the event that is still going on not good enough for you 11 year eve veteran? Pull that trigger and earn that sp like I did and everyone else is please. 
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
112
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:15:00 -
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Blah blah blah
May not seem much too u, but to us this is something special so quit complaining and play the free game already
MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3543
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:19:00 -
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I have no opinion on the matter but that was a very good read. Expressed yourself quite clearly. You have my likes.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:24:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:So.... After reading that wall of textual crap about eve ships comparison to drop suits stats not released yet with any patch notes it come right down to you wanting a full respec... REALLY? Wasn't the event that is still going on not good enough for you 11 year eve veteran? Pull that trigger and earn that sp like I did and everyone else is please.
This "crap about EVE ships" will have a bearing on YOUR game eventually, you know. Us Eve pilots will be the one pulling your boots out of the fire. But if you really feel that way, I think when I pick up everyone else, I'll leave you behind.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
154
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:45:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:So.... After reading that wall of textual crap about eve ships comparison to drop suits stats not released yet with any patch notes it come right down to you wanting a full respec... REALLY? Wasn't the event that is still going on not good enough for you 11 year eve veteran? Pull that trigger and earn that sp like I did and everyone else is please. This "crap about EVE ships" will have a bearing on YOUR game eventually, you know. Us Eve pilots will be the one pulling your boots out of the fire. But if you really feel that way, I think when I pick up everyone else, I'll leave you behind.
That's fine with considering I'm an eve veteran as well so I'll just go and pick myself up and anyone else you so happened to leave behind. Now back to the corner with you.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
823
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:48:00 -
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This ain't Eve. |
BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
813
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:55:00 -
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Well thought out and articulated. CCP does struggle with certain aspects of game design. Used to play EVE back in the day and I remember some of what you are talking about. Unlike you I never stuck with it though. With Dust I gave them a second chance and have a love/hate relationship with it. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:00:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:This ain't Eve.
But it will be connected to it, so what is in EVE should affect it.
I don't need luck, I have ammo.
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.
CEO of We Who Walk Alone
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
211
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:07:00 -
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+1 for thoroughness/well thought out post. It was actually an enjoyable read, even if I don't play Eve. The points made sense, the Minmatar do tend to get crapped on when it comes to suit quality, but one argument that can be made against that is that while the Minmatar have the worst suits, the bonuses are usually the best. *Absently covers the Minmatar assault with a sheet* Okay, well, sort of... Once 1.8 hits anyways, they'll be the best!
As for the full respec, I don't really see a need at this point. Weapons don't cost enough SP (unless you specialized in them, in which case  ) and there's a good chance what's crap now will get changed later. Plus, it's always fun to have variety, being able to switch suits and weapons can change the way you play and make things more enjoyable.
I'm sure CCP will figure it out eventually. It took them a few years with Eve, and Dust has only been out... what...? Two years? It'll take awhile, but I figure in a year or two, this game will rival a lot of the triple A titles coming out, even if the graphics aren't that hot... well, assuming CCP ports over to the PS4... or get a new engine (Grab MAG's engine, come on, guys! Do it!) and increase the map size/player count. I doubt this game can go where they want it on the PS3, so it's only a matter of time before they port it and that's when things really start getting good.
Until then... *Prepares Nova Knives and lovingly strokes a cardboard cutout of a cloaking device in anticipation of 1.8*
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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HYENAKILLER X
WILL FIGHT ANYONE
668
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Posted - 2014.03.17 07:21:00 -
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You have this idea that speed means nothing. Your adv assault has 2 low slots and 3 high with .43 more speed. my main right now in pubs is 412 hp. Balance requires skill.
Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
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ThePlayerkyle13
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
90
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Posted - 2014.03.17 09:33:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:So.... After reading that wall of textual crap about eve ships comparison to drop suits stats not released yet with any patch notes it come right down to you wanting a full respec... REALLY? Wasn't the event that is still going on not good enough for you 11 year eve veteran? Pull that trigger and earn that sp like I did and everyone else is please.
People like you are the reason DUST514 sucks ass & is deteriorating.
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