DUST Search - Thoughts and Idea's on proto tanks?

Savage Mangler wrote:

Gelan Corbaine wrote:

Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Bullshit!

Its not

It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV.

Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100
x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415
x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5
x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959

That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced.

A strike to the rear weak spot of a unfitted Soma is possible to one shot with a Proto Breach.... but that situation is by no means optimal and can't be relied upon in true AV/Tank combat .

This. It is unbelievably hard to pull off on a regular basis. Honestly getting hit with a FG should mean the tank is going for a tumble if not disabled outright. It fires a kinetic slug at 7000m/s, meaning Sir Isaac Newton himself would tell you that it is the deadliest fothermucking piece of infantry armament this side of Molden Heath.

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Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 275	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Why are you reading my bio? Stalker......
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 479	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:08:00 - [2] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 508	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:13:00 - [3] - Quote The problem before is we had proto AV and not proto vehicles, so the proto AV was poping the militia and basic tanks. So instead of fixing the lack of tanks CCP nerfed AV and buffed tanks to what we have now. Thanks CCP Foxfour
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2424	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote Oh hell no. Militia tanks are allready a plague. We do not want even more ridicoulus vehicles. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Defy Gravity Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 275	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:17:00 - [5] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514. Tanks are meant to spell doom though. All they need to do is nerf hardeners and dmg mods and tanks will not be OP Why are you reading my bio? Stalker......
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3494	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:19:00 - [6] - Quote No. Give my swarms a buff then okay. At the current level of AV, hell no to proto tanks. The seat of my dropsuit is clean and I would like for it to stay that way thank you very much. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 454	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:53:00 - [7] - Quote TunRa wrote: The problem before is we had proto AV and not proto vehicles, so the proto AV was poping the militia and basic tanks. So instead of fixing the lack of tanks CCP nerfed AV and buffed tanks to what we have now. Yeah. That was back when AV meant Anti-Vehicle and could perform it's roll. Now, because of the torrent of pilot tears flooding the offices and soaking the paperwork, AV means Annoy Vehicle and it has a hard time doing that. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2102	Posted - 2014.03.16 02:57:00 - [8] - Quote I saw this thread four times last week. No proto tanks. Proto tanks = proto AV balanced for them. Proto AV balanced for proto tank = either no other tanks are worthwhile, and no new players can use them, making tanks belong only to the wealthy elite, or that proto tanks are not worth running because the difference in durability is not with paying millions of ISK for. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4645	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw this thread four times last week. No proto tanks. Proto tanks = proto AV balanced for them. Proto AV balanced for proto tank = either no other tanks are worthwhile, and no new players can use them, making tanks belong only to the wealthy elite, or that proto tanks are not worth running because the difference in durability is not with paying millions of ISK for. Exactly what I said last week. You either make both AV and vehicles stupidly OP at Proto, or proto variants are barely different than militia variants. Either way it's stupid and a waste of time. Tiericide is the answer. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 481	Posted - 2014.03.16 03:43:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw this thread four times last week. No proto tanks. Proto tanks = proto AV balanced for them. Proto AV balanced for proto tank = either no other tanks are worthwhile, and no new players can use them, making tanks belong only to the wealthy elite, or that proto tanks are not worth running because the difference in durability is not with paying millions of ISK for. Exactly what I said last week. You either make both AV and vehicles stupidly OP at Proto, or proto variants are barely different than militia variants. Either way it's stupid and a waste of time. Tiericide is the answer. so much this

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.03.16 04:00:00 - [11] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw this thread four times last week. No proto tanks. Proto tanks = proto AV balanced for them. Proto AV balanced for proto tank = either no other tanks are worthwhile, and no new players can use them, making tanks belong only to the wealthy elite, or that proto tanks are not worth running because the difference in durability is not with paying millions of ISK for. If people worry so much about ISK, then why not just make the hulls rather cheap? There, now it no longer belongs to the wealthy elite; tanks are instead for only the dedicated. Scrubs and FOTMers will be ripped apart in their militia/standard hulls and then we got no more tank spam! I honestly believe tanks should be for the dedicated (and thus require lots of SP). I managed to stick through with my Sica and get my Gunnlogi back when there were Sagaris running around. They only had to look at my Sica and poof, I'm dead. I was determined which is why I stick through; your common scrub though will not be as dedicated. I don't see much of problem if they are balanced against proto AV properly. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Shijima Kuraimaru WarRavens League of Infamy 454	Posted - 2014.03.16 08:42:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I saw this thread four times last week. No proto tanks. Proto tanks = proto AV balanced for them. Proto AV balanced for proto tank = either no other tanks are worthwhile, and no new players can use them, making tanks belong only to the wealthy elite, or that proto tanks are not worth running because the difference in durability is not with paying millions of ISK for. If people worry so much about ISK, then why not just make the hulls rather cheap? There, now it no longer belongs to the wealthy elite; tanks are instead for only the dedicated. Scrubs and FOTMers will be ripped apart in their militia/standard hulls and then we got no more tank spam! I honestly believe tanks should be for the dedicated (and thus require lots of SP). I managed to stick through with my Sica and get my Gunnlogi back when there were Sagaris running around. They only had to look at my Sica and poof, I'm dead. I was determined which is why I stick through; your common scrub though will not be as dedicated. I don't see much of problem if they are balanced against proto AV properly. The problem is that many pilots believe that AV balanced against their vehicles should be equivalent to spitballs against a chalk board. In other words, no threat. I still can't find tanks on the market. All I see are those HAVs.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11170	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:40:00 - [13] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514. Tanks are meant to spell doom though. AV is meant to spell doom for tanks. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1052	Posted - 2014.03.16 09:48:00 - [14] - Quote CCP, I want a logi tank, main large turret as a rep tool, two small turret gunners, a slow moving brick that can be used for cover. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3006	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:28:00 - [15] - Quote Adv/Proto hulls are needed for all vehicles Until then we will never be balanced with AV Intelligence is OP
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1919	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:39:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514. Tanks are meant to spell doom though. AV is meant to spell doom for tanks. Hey, guess what... I can kill a tank with one forge shot. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8264	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:41:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514. Tanks are meant to spell doom though. AV is meant to spell doom for tanks. Hey, guess what... I can kill a tank with one forge shot. Bullshit! " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3007	Posted - 2014.03.16 11:12:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not Intelligence is OP
DAMIOS82 ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 84	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:04:00 - [19] - Quote In my oppinion we need proto and advanced vehicles just like in suits and weapons. First it creates a better diversity, since not everybody can efford running prototanks every time. Second it would also mean that proto tanks would actually be the nearly indestructible tanks and not some militia tank, as it was meant to be. third it would also mean that av would get more balanced stats and hopefully more diversed gear. So with a swarmer for instance you could take out a militia tank or standard tank solo, for an advanced tank it would take proto weapons and gear and for proto tanks it would take other vehicles/ team's of proto av (soloing these is pointless). This way it would be better balanced. But when they release these new tier vehicles they should also release an actuall anti-tank vehicle that is made for vehicle/HAV killing and not a combination of infantry and vehicles. But aslong as vehicles and av are not rebalanced/remade to what they are meant to be all we will do is go in circle's.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 249	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:15:00 - [20] - Quote The opposite would be good. Nerfing standard tanks and making adv slightly better, proto just about as good as the ones now. Edit: Then all we need is a reduction to the max amount of tanks on the field. I'd say 3 is fair. hackable ladders ftw

jenza aranda BetaMax. 3002	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:19:00 - [21] - Quote R.I.P. Kabura and Chackram Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 229	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:25:00 - [22] - Quote I say give us 1.6 prices back. No more scrub tanks. Bad tankers go broke and no more tank spam. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 229	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:26:00 - [23] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: R.I.P. Kabura and Chackram ? We can pickle that.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 420	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:38:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV. Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100 x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415 x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5 x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959 That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 317	Posted - 2014.03.16 12:54:00 - [25] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV. Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100 x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415 x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5 x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959 That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced. A strike to the rear weak spot of a unfitted Soma is possible to one shot with a Proto Breach.... but that situation is by no means optimal and can't be relied upon in true AV/Tank combat . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.03.16 13:19:00 - [26] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV. Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100 x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415 x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5 x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959 That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced. A strike to the rear weak spot of a unfitted Soma is possible to one shot with a Proto Breach.... but that situation is by no means optimal and can't be relied upon in true AV/Tank combat . This. It is unbelievably hard to pull off on a regular basis. Honestly getting hit with a FG should mean the tank is going for a tumble if not disabled outright. It fires a kinetic slug at 7000m/s, meaning Sir Isaac Newton himself would tell you that it is the deadliest fothermucking piece of infantry armament this side of Molden Heath. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3008	Posted - 2014.03.16 13:27:00 - [27] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV. Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100 x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415 x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5 x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959 That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced. Its not I have killed all the tanks in the game with 1 shot with a proto breach FG Intelligence is OP
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2161	Posted - 2014.03.16 14:20:00 - [28] - Quote Something like this: HAV OPERATION [2x]: Increases DMG, top speed, acceleration, base armor/shields, and pg/cpu by 1%/lvl Caldari HAV: Operation[4x] (Requires HAV OP lvl 1) [improves shield recharge rate and delay, acceleration, and pg/cpu by 1%/lvl for Caldari HAVs], Unlocks Basic Caldari HAV hulls- STD at 1, ADV at 3, PRO at 5 Caldari Marauder Operation: [6x] (Requires Caldari HAV OP lvl 3) [Increases missiles per magazine by 1 missile per level, improves reload time 5%/level], Unlocks Caldari Marauder HAV hulls- STD at 1, ADV at 3, PRO at 5 Caldari Enforcer Operation: [6x] (Requires Caldari HAV OP lvl 3) [Increases Railgun zoom 8%/lvl for Caldari Marauder HAVs and improves heat capacity 3%/lvl], Unlocks Caldari Marauder HAV hulls- STD at 1, ADV at 3, PRO at 5 Note: Specialized HAVs cannot be piloted without a pilot suit of the same meta level. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2161	Posted - 2014.03.16 14:21:00 - [29] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Gelan Corbaine wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bullshit! Its not It is. The most powerful Forge Gun (Wiyrkomi Breach) with maximum proficiency and two Complex damage mods cannot do enough damage to destroy an unfitted HAV. Wiyrkomi Breach: 2100 x1.15 for Proficiency 5: (+315) 2415 x1.1 for the first Complex Damage mod: (+241.5) 2656.5 x1.086 for the second Complex Damage mod: (+228.459) 2884.959 That is insufficient to destroy any HAV in a single hit. With the 1.8 changes top proficiency and damage mods, we will see even tougher HAVs. I speak as an ADS pilot: the 1.8 changes will make vehicles nigh unkillable unless a vehicle tweak is introduced. A strike to the rear weak spot of a unfitted Soma is possible to one shot with a Proto Breach.... but that situation is by no means optimal and can't be relied upon in true AV/Tank combat . This. It is unbelievably hard to pull off on a regular basis. Honestly getting hit with a FG should mean the tank is going for a tumble if not disabled outright. It fires a kinetic slug at 7000m/s, meaning Sir Isaac Newton himself would tell you that it is the deadliest fothermucking piece of infantry armament this side of Molden Heath. Yeh...so do railguns but you dont see them impacting, instantly. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 486	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:53:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I know I saw a black tank on a Dev blog. So it brings up a question.... Proto Tanks? I miss the surya and the sagaris... people had some awsome fights with tanks awhile back. So will there be a proto tank? or just a whole bunch of variants? I want to hear both infantry and tanker thoughts... will it be OP? or do you think a change will come before proto tanks come to the field. Untill we can get to the point where 1 militia tank does not spell doom for the entire opposite team, NO PROTO tanks. Sorry tankers your stuck in militia till we finally get you balanced, cause right now its tank 514. Tanks are meant to spell doom though. AV is meant to spell doom for tanks. Hey, guess what... I can kill a tank with one forge shot. Yeah if nobody is in it, and someone else already did 50% of the damage to it.



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