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Bones McGavins wrote:

ReGnYuM wrote:

LoL @ Garbage players defending their precious Wall-Hack Crutch

It's beyond ridiculous that I need to sacrifice two lows on my med frame to counter one piece of Proto Wall Hack equipment.

Post 1.8 there is no chance for a damped Med frame LMFAO

Post 1.8 scanners are going to be majorly nerfed. Longer delays and no more 360 spin. So I wouldn't worry about active scanners in 1.8 it's the scouts that will get you

I love med suits whining about thier precious two low slots for dampening. Oh no, my ehp! The mind that considers active scanners cheap but having 2-3x the health of the enemy legit is just delusional. Scanners are great because since their introduction dust actually has some varied valid builds as opposed to just stacking hp and damage.

Of course these same players found the old tacnet sharing of radar with the entire team to be legit so clearly it's not the crutches radar that bothers them. It's just sacrificing some ehp to counter it. There's not much a scanner can see that wouldn't have been on radar when team shared vision was in.

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7408	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:53:00 - [1] - Quote You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Sgt Buttscratch Condotta Rouvenor 2011	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:55:00 - [2] - Quote stop squading with him then I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Rusty Shallows 1122	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:56:00 - [3] - Quote Just ten days pretty kitty, hang in there. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7408	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:56:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: stop squading with him then I am currently in a squad with a commando and an STD Caldari Assault. Your argument is invalid. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2320	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:57:00 - [5] - Quote I know how you feel, after going countless matches seeing "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED" I've forgotten what to do if I actually get scanned.... Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2320	Posted - 2014.03.15 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Just ten days pretty kitty, hang in there. Why would anyone do that to that adorable kitty Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5731	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 555	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? Because to this point in time, EZ mode has been the life blood of the game. God forbid there be balance. Looking for the scout hangout?
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4363	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:04:00 - [9] - Quote It's more insulting when I walk up behind an enemy sniper, fully charge my forge gun, then shoot them from a few meters away. Did that today, then started rubberbanding shortly afterwards. I am your scan error.
Rusty Shallows 1122	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:07:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? Because to this point in time, EZ mode has been the life blood of the game. God forbid there be balance. If we're going to star piling on Active Scanners why are they guns and how do they keep something painted after being holstered again? Dust 514 really missed out on a tri-corder mini-game. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:13:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. Yea he can see you, how many suits CAN'T see you? You will still see him before he sees you You're much faster than him you can run away or flank him. Will you complain a heavy killed you because that same logi used a scanner to light you up?
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:17:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? That's why they nerfed them. Now they will be much more situational, such as storming an entrenched objective or lighting up a tank for AV/OB. Unless of course you run several on a suit. There is no helping that person.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5732	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:18:00 - [13] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. Yea he can see you, how many suits CAN'T see you? You will still see him before he sees you You're much faster than him you can run away or flank him. Will you complain a heavy killed you because that same logi used a scanner to light you up? There isn't a single suit that can't see you, as the Active Scans are shared with the entire team. Not quite. I'm scanning from 200m away, so you'd have to either be carrying one yourself, or be a sniper. Speed means $#!t when my Six Kin can insta-gank you with Aim Assist. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 556	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:19:00 - [14] - Quote You know what doesn't show up on my tacnet. Tanks. Most times I hear them, and you think given how big they are they would show up. Nope. Once, I was literally stealth road killed by an HAV out in the open. No sound, and it didn't even show up on tacnet until it was past my broken little body. They need to add tacnet to the long list of things needing fixed. Looking for the scout hangout?
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 28	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:21:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. Yea he can see you, how many suits CAN'T see you? You will still see him before he sees you You're much faster than him you can run away or flank him. Will you complain a heavy killed you because that same logi used a scanner to light you up? There isn't a single suit that can't see you, as the Active Scans are shared with the entire team. Not quite. I'm scanning from 200m away, so you'd have to either be carrying one yourself, or be a sniper. Speed means $#!t when my Six Kin can insta-gank you with Aim Assist. Active Scans are provided to the scanners squad. In no situation are active scans provided to the entire team. You are bad. Accept it. Plus there is only one scanner that will scan 200m out, and it has **** for track time.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:23:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. Yea he can see you, how many suits CAN'T see you? You will still see him before he sees you You're much faster than him you can run away or flank him. Will you complain a heavy killed you because that same logi used a scanner to light you up? There isn't a single suit that can't see you, as the Active Scans are shared with the entire team. Not quite. I'm scanning from 200m away, so you'd have to either be carrying one yourself, or be a sniper. Speed means $#!t when my Six Kin can insta-gank you with Aim Assist. Then you need to get your arse into the action instead of standing on the sidelines gaining Intel WP. Scanners only share with a squad, not the team. If you get scanned run maybe?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1662	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:30:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? It's a Gallente/Caldari thing. Caldari focus on gathering intelligence via passives and use equipment to make up for stealth. Gallente focuses on stealth passively and rely on equipment to make up for gathering intelligence. Scanners are in a lot of games, but the active ones tend to be limited to a certain area unable to change it's perimeter. With 1.8, scanners will (hopefully) work as intended with the snap-scans to take consideration to the range, angle, and precision rendering the 360 ones useless. Quit your whining.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2074	Posted - 2014.03.15 20:34:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. It's kind of insulting that, the only suit that can take advantage of dampener is a scout suit; yet a medium frame Gallente suit cannot although it is Gallente tech. For the Federation!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1805	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:10:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You know what doesn't show up on my tacnet. Tanks. Most times I hear them, and you think given how big they are they would show up. Nope. Once, I was literally stealth road killed by an HAV out in the open. No sound, and it didn't even show up on tacnet until it was past my broken little body. They need to add tacnet to the long list of things needing fixed. Yes indeed - i believe we can file the tacnet under 'wonky core mechanic'. At least it won't be lonely ;). I support SP rollover.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 214	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:25:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. It's kind of insulting that, the only suit that can take advantage of dampener is a scout suit; yet a medium frame Gallente suit cannot although it is Gallente tech. Well Gallente get the best of both worlds, scout dampening and logi scanning with no race getting a higher bonus for the Caldari cloak. "Shine bright like a diamond"

ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 2495	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:35:00 - [21] - Quote LoL @ Garbage players defending their precious Wall-Hack Crutch It's beyond ridiculous that I need to sacrifice two lows on my med frame to counter one piece of Proto Wall Hack equipment. Post 1.8 there is no chance for a damped Med frame LMFAO My SP GAP carries me.
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1602	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:37:00 - [22] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I know how you feel, after going countless matches seeing "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED" I've forgotten what to do if I actually get scanned.... Walk backwards with guns out, sweeping lr. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 820	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:44:00 - [23] - Quote please take time to fill this one question poll https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1R0k_7JaSfrb5X7u_ocTVUW-7X9DC5lIMJBaLA4K5REk/viewform Please take away Glogi bonuss towards scanners. It means only gallente scouts are viable in a match with wallhack users
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5754	Posted - 2014.03.16 00:52:00 - [24] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: Active Scans are provided to the scanners squad. In no situation are active scans provided to the entire team. You are bad. Accept it. Plus there is only one scanner that will scan 200m out, and it has **** for track time. And your good? 200m is still 200m. The CreoDron Flux Active Scanner has an 8s visibility duration, and a 1s scan duration. If you can't utilize 9s in a FPS game, you might be the one who's bad here. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 14	Posted - 2014.03.16 05:25:00 - [25] - Quote I wonder how many people know that in 1.8, scouts can avoid scanners easily, even with lv5 skilled Gallente logi's using scanners?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5759	Posted - 2014.03.16 05:34:00 - [26] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: I wonder how many people know that in 1.8, scouts can avoid scanners easily, even with lv5 skilled Gallente logi's using scanners? Now what will that logi sacrifice to use the active scanner? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2104	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:01:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: I wonder how many people know that in 1.8, scouts can avoid scanners easily, even with lv5 skilled Gallente logi's using scanners? Now what will that logi sacrifice to use the active scanner? The ability to effectively use another type of equipment. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 839	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:05:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? Because with the removal of shared tacnet, they needed the minimap to be useful for something. Best PVE idea I've seen.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1752	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:06:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it were up to me, Active Scanners wouldn't be nerfed. They'd be removed. I honestly don't understand why an item that allows you to see practically everyone's location 24/7 while also knowing what direction they're facing ever passed QA. I'm also not sure why something that easily negate the need for situational awareness needs to be in this game. Isn't one of the main pros about this game supposed to be the emphasis on flanking and tactics? Didn't catch that memo, did you? That ideal and scope for this game was given up long ago when they realized that they couldn't get anyone to play it. They thought it was the skill gap, when in fact it was the glitches, bugs, and poor programming. So they covered that poor programming up with EZ-Mode junk. I ain't got time for dat sht!*
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 564	Posted - 2014.03.16 06:11:00 - [30] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: LoL @ Garbage players defending their precious Wall-Hack Crutch It's beyond ridiculous that I need to sacrifice two lows on my med frame to counter one piece of Proto Wall Hack equipment. Post 1.8 there is no chance for a damped Med frame LMFAO Post 1.8 scanners are going to be majorly nerfed. Longer delays and no more 360 spin. So I wouldn't worry about active scanners in 1.8 it's the scouts that will get you I love med suits whining about thier precious two low slots for dampening. Oh no, my ehp! The mind that considers active scanners cheap but having 2-3x the health of the enemy legit is just delusional. Scanners are great because since their introduction dust actually has some varied valid builds as opposed to just stacking hp and damage. Of course these same players found the old tacnet sharing of radar with the entire team to be legit so clearly it's not the crutches radar that bothers them. It's just sacrificing some ehp to counter it. There's not much a scanner can see that wouldn't have been on radar when team shared vision was in.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7422	Posted - 2014.03.16 10:20:00 - [31] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: LoL @ Garbage players defending their precious Wall-Hack Crutch It's beyond ridiculous that I need to sacrifice two lows on my med frame to counter one piece of Proto Wall Hack equipment. Post 1.8 there is no chance for a damped Med frame LMFAO Post 1.8 scanners are going to be majorly nerfed. Longer delays and no more 360 spin. So I wouldn't worry about active scanners in 1.8 it's the scouts that will get you I love med suits whining about thier precious two low slots for dampening. Oh no, my ehp! The mind that considers active scanners cheap but having 2-3x the health of the enemy legit is just delusional. Scanners are great because since their introduction dust actually has some varied valid builds as opposed to just stacking hp and damage. Of course these same players found the old tacnet sharing of radar with the entire team to be legit so clearly it's not the crutches radar that bothers them. It's just sacrificing some ehp to counter it. There's not much a scanner can see that wouldn't have been on radar when team shared vision was in. Yeah, because it's totally ok for a Logi with 1000 eHP to see everyone, but those who want to hide need to lose eHP so that when they actually fight that Logi, they would be at a major disadvantage. Seems legit. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 565	Posted - 2014.03.16 13:52:00 - [32] - Quote Seems more to be a logi balance issue than a scanner then? I wouldn't mind some bigger fitting req for the scanner to make us g it require a sacrifice but the existence of the acanner makes the game a lot more interesting IMO. The changes to the tacnet that accompanied it made scouts viable again. This reminds me of folks who think no radar is the pro mode of halo when the art of sneaking around to a kid radar detection is a skill set you remove if you turn radar off.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1887	Posted - 2014.03.16 13:55:00 - [33] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You're an advanced scout with a complex profile dampener on, and a Gal Logi with 3.5x your eHP can see you 24/7. The Big Brother is watching you. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"


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