DUST Search - No Place for the Medium Frames [1.8 QQ]

Texs Red wrote:

I disagree here, only being able to put down a single hive is just irritating and, while okay for a quick refill of ammo, does not support the stand-your-ground type of combat that is it's Caldari origin (entrench and long-range combat).
Here is a simple change that works with the current mechanics and requires very little effort. The currently listed amount that is max deployable is no longer specific to the equipment, instead that is how many other equipment of it's kind (that you have deployed) it can cooperate with, including itself. Therefore the max amount of nanohives you can deploy is 3 and 3 uplinks, although they can be mixed and matched with others of their kind, but will always require a "gauged" variant to achieve 3 otherwise the limit is 2. Currently I think I can get around 20 nanohives down and probably close to that in uplinks as well.
Ex:
1 Stable Uplink
1 R-9 Uplink
1 Gauged Uplink
OR
1 Visiam
1 Quantum

And

1 K-2 nanohive
1 Quantum nanohive
1 Gauged nanohive

Result: Flexibility but not spammable.


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Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 194	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:31:00 - [1] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: This also means that overall, equipment spam won't be as much of a dominant tactic. In particular with uplinks. The slower spawn times will mean you can't be absurdly aggressive with the placement, because you can't rely on the guys spawning to keep it alive. This is going to have a pretty big impact on the pace and feel of the game, and I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I agree on the uplinks here, but I think especially the hives are nerfed in the wrong way. Let me elaborate. The basic hives are untouched. This means, the compact hive, which is the go to equipment every assault is using, works as before. All the logi hives (advanced upwards) are nerfed by roughly 33% (nanite capacity). The problem with hives however was never the amount of nanites, but the amount of hives deployed! To compensate for this, we will probably see even more hive spam... My proposal for this situation would have been to reduce the amount of Max active hives to 1 and keep the amount of carried hives as is. The caldari could get an additional active hive, to bring him back to current stats. The amount of deployed hives would be dependent on the current active suit. (So changing suits wouldnt help). Same rule for uplinks by the way (uplinks get downgraded if the suit gets changed to non Amarr logi). This would prevent opportunistic Suit changes to different races. Another important anti equipment spam function would be the fact that all equipment that is deployed gets taken out of the assets, even if the suit is not killed but only switched to another. So all equipment that get's deployed costs money. The problem with the minmatar beeing the squishiest suit to get the repping bonus is another fail, since the only chance is to brick tank it to oblivion, negating all the speed advanteges the minmatar has... I think a range bonus with the old base ranges would have been a better match for the minmatar logi. And it would have made it more viable for other logis to use the rep tool.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 195	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:47:00 - [2] - Quote Texs Red wrote: I disagree here, only being able to put down a single hive is just irritating and, while okay for a quick refill of ammo, does not support the stand-your-ground type of combat that is it's Caldari origin (entrench and long-range combat). Here is a simple change that works with the current mechanics and requires very little effort. The currently listed amount that is max deployable is no longer specific to the equipment, instead that is how many other equipment of it's kind (that you have deployed) it can cooperate with, including itself. Therefore the max amount of nanohives you can deploy is 3 and 3 uplinks, although they can be mixed and matched with others of their kind, but will always require a "gauged" variant to achieve 3 otherwise the limit is 2. Currently I think I can get around 20 nanohives down and probably close to that in uplinks as well. Ex: 1 Stable Uplink 1 R-9 Uplink 1 Gauged Uplink OR 1 Visiam 1 Quantum And 1 K-2 nanohive 1 Quantum nanohive 1 Gauged nanohive Result: Flexibility but not spammable. Just to clarify, one active hive per type would have been my change, and caldari being able to deploy as many as now. But i kind of like your aproach of having a limited number of hives in general instead of specific hives. Caldari would be able to put down more then... Same would be the case with uplinks, having like a limit of 2-3 and maybe 5 for amarr logis. I agree on the way the min rep tool is completely off the eve way of things. Are Minmatar doing a lot of electronic warfare? Or is that pure Gallente and Caldari stuff? I think the scanner would fit much better in the hit and run scheme of the Minmatar... Gallente are the better heavy supports though. Edit: by the way, in EVE you never mix shield and armor in a fleet, so why o why are we supposed to do that in Dust???
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 196	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:16:00 - [3] - Quote If it wasn't for all the SP I put into equipment, I'd probably dump my logi suit! But as is, I'll try to fill that crappy role, and skill into heavy or scout as secondary option. What I can't really see me doing is sitting behind heavies or assaults and sticking a repper up their arse, while wearing the weakest med suit in game... That's just stupid. So I'll put on the logi when needed, and switch to a different suit the rest of the time.