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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3036
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:36:00 -
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CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
494
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:39:00 -
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Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them.
The SVER Logi has the worst bonus?!?
Tell that Cal and Gal Assaults, and the Amarr Scouts (though their such fanatics it wouldn't matter if their bonus was they died as soon as they spawned).
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
583
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:39:00 -
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Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them.
Poor Exile...
(and besides the BPO, the whole AR is outclassed... :( )
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:41:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. The SVER Logi has the worst bonus?!? Tell that Cal and Gal Assaults, and the Amarr Scouts (though their such fanatics it wouldn't matter if their bonus was they died as soon as they spawned).
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:42:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. Not only the Exile, the whole AR is outclassed by RR, CR and SCR
I'm referring only to the BPOs in this discussion. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1585
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:42:00 -
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Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them.
Oh, no! The MagSec is going to come to my house and delete my ToxinSMG BPO?
The horror.
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
583
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:43:00 -
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Skihids wrote:KatanaPT wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. Not only the Exile, the whole AR is outclassed by RR, CR and SCR I'm referring only to the BPOs in this discussion.
Sorry, you are completly right, i will edit it :)
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:44:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. Oh, no! The MagSec is going to come to my house and delete my ToxinSMG BPO? The horror.
Of course not. But the Magsec will devalue your Toxin SMG. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1150
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:45:00 -
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Agreed with the Caldari suit.
But the AR in good hands is still deadly. It's just more cost effective i guess. good for uplink suits
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:48:00 -
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Folks will still use the BPOs for filler and in throw-away suits, but not so much when they are looking to be competitive.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1586
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:49:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. Oh, no! The MagSec is going to come to my house and delete my ToxinSMG BPO? The horror. Of course not. But the Magsec will devalue your Toxin SMG.
Down past free?
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 16:56:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Skihids wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. Oh, no! The MagSec is going to come to my house and delete my ToxinSMG BPO? The horror. Of course not. But the Magsec will devalue your Toxin SMG. Down past free?
Free is the cost. Value is usefulness reduced by cost.
If using the Toxin gets you killed most of the time because your opponent is using the Magsec its value is significantly reduced. |
Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Vanguard of the Phoenix
491
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:02:00 -
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Skihids wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. The SVER Logi has the worst bonus?!? Tell that Cal and Gal Assaults, and the Amarr Scouts (though their such fanatics it wouldn't matter if their bonus was they died as soon as they spawned). The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Really? Are you complaining about how the minmatar logi is the only suit that fitting a rep tool is even worth it on anymore? Oh wait, you are in it for the WPs, not for being a team player.
"We are not ever going to respec weaponry and dropsuit command because the majority of our Aurum gear falls within those
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
589
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:04:00 -
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Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP
This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus
Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points |
Malkai Inos
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1265
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:04:00 -
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Crimson Cerberes wrote:Skihids wrote:ResistanceGTA wrote:Skihids wrote:CCP is compaining about the use of BPOs, and several of the recent changes hit some of them pretty hard.
Raven Caldari Assault BPO: A standard level suit that most agree is not worth running
SEVER Minmintar Logi BPO: A standard level suit that now has the worst racial bonus of all
Exile AR: Outclassed by the RR, CR, and Magsec
Toxin SMG: Made obsolete by the Magsec
Probably coincidence, but it's awfuly convenient for CCP if folks stop using them. The SVER Logi has the worst bonus?!? Tell that Cal and Gal Assaults, and the Amarr Scouts (though their such fanatics it wouldn't matter if their bonus was they died as soon as they spawned). The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game. Really? Are you complaining about how the minmatar logi is the only suit that fitting a rep tool is even worth it on anymore? Oh wait, you are in it for the WPs, not for being a team player. It's an issue regardless, though I agree that the suit bonus is merely the massenger.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:18:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points
I'm afraid you are misinformed.
Repair tools yield 25 WPs per repair cycle. The cycle time is constant, so there is no speeding up those rewards.
The more HP's you heal per cycle, the fewer cycles you get for a given amount of damage repaired.
It's a very well known issue among Logis. The lowest ISK cost tool yields the most rewards and the highest cost tool yields the worst rewards. It's bassackwards, but CCP can't fix it.
So yes, increasing the healing per cycle for the Minmitar bonus is nice for his team, but it punishes his rewards. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
3010
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:23:00 -
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It's just chance, whenever you get new stuff there is a good chance that something will be better than the old.
Selling Templar BPO's 250Mil Last of the BPO's(Click link)
I feed off your tears
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:24:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:It's just chance, whenever you get new stuff there is a good chance that something will be better than the old.
That may hold true for the weapons, but all the other suits were already in game. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
496
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:29:00 -
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Skihids wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points I'm afraid you are misinformed. Repair tools yield 25 WPs per repair cycle. The cycle time is constant, so there is no speeding up those rewards. The more HP's you heal per cycle, the fewer cycles you get for a given amount of damage repaired. It's a very well known issue among Logis. The lowest ISK cost tool yields the most rewards and the highest cost tool yields the worst rewards. It's bassackwards, but CCP can't fix it. So yes, increasing the healing per cycle for the Minmitar bonus is nice for his team, but it punishes his rewards.
Cool then. I won't be FotM or anything when I Spec Min Logi specifically for the Rep Tool Bonus.
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
3037
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:37:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Skihids wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points I'm afraid you are misinformed. Repair tools yield 25 WPs per repair cycle. The cycle time is constant, so there is no speeding up those rewards. The more HP's you heal per cycle, the fewer cycles you get for a given amount of damage repaired. It's a very well known issue among Logis. The lowest ISK cost tool yields the most rewards and the highest cost tool yields the worst rewards. It's bassackwards, but CCP can't fix it. So yes, increasing the healing per cycle for the Minmitar bonus is nice for his team, but it punishes his rewards. Cool then. I won't be FotM or anything when I Spec Min Logi specifically for the Rep Tool Bonus.
More power to you. it may even pay off in a year or two if CCP ever changes the code to reward results. |
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1936
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Posted - 2014.03.14 17:46:00 -
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Skihids wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points I'm afraid you are misinformed. Repair tools yield 25 WPs per repair cycle. The cycle time is constant, so there is no speeding up those rewards. The more HP's you heal per cycle, the fewer cycles you get for a given amount of damage repaired. It's a very well known issue among Logis. The lowest ISK cost tool yields the most rewards and the highest cost tool yields the worst rewards. It's bassackwards, but CCP can't fix it. So yes, increasing the healing per cycle for the Minmitar bonus is nice for his team, but it punishes his rewards.
I disagree, I can repair more mercs faster and my target dies less often the better tools are better and give the opportunity to make more points.
BPO are supposed to be kind of junky, they are the free.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5702
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Posted - 2014.03.14 18:01:00 -
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Skihids wrote:MrShooter01 wrote:Skihids wrote:
The worst racial Logi bonus. An increase in healing per cycle that reduces the cycles and thus WP's earned, along with retaining the current rep tool range. All this on the softest suit in the game.
Triage points are based on the amount of HP you heal, not how long it takes you to heal those HP This is why when you heal a heavy with a decent repair tool, you get a lot of +25s really fast but if you use a militia repair tool on somebody's damaged caldari starter fit, you're lucky if you get one triage bonus Please don't tell me there are people deliberately running militia rep tools believing it will earn them more points I'm afraid you are misinformed. Repair tools yield 25 WPs per repair cycle. The cycle time is constant, so there is no speeding up those rewards. The more HP's you heal per cycle, the fewer cycles you get for a given amount of damage repaired. It's a very well known issue among Logis. The lowest ISK cost tool yields the most rewards and the highest cost tool yields the worst rewards. It's bassackwards, but CCP can't fix it. So yes, increasing the healing per cycle for the Minmitar bonus is nice for his team, but it punishes his rewards.
Skihids, this is false.
Have you ever used the Core Focused Repair Tool?
AV > HAV > INF > AV | Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF
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