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Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1782	Posted - 2014.03.14 02:19:00 - [1] - Quote Been following Titanfall closely, just read the review on The Mittani. Good comments below the article. DUST 514 & Titanfall are a perfect mirror for an enduring debate we have here on the forums: What will save DUST, New Eden content or core mechanics? The primary criticism being leveled at Titanfall is that it has no soul, there is little immersion, matches are essentially meaningless - the game is just a pure multiplayer FPS with conventional gamemodes. If the developers put love into Titanfall it's in the balance, the core FPS mechanics, the art, the animations - which are are essentially flawless. Two other themes that are emerging from reviews are that the matchmaking can be horribly unbalanced and that game modes are the typical deathmatch, domination, capture the flag. Players are already complaining of modes being repetitive. This is interesting, because wrt the issues of matchmaking and unimaginative repetitive modes we can effectively cancel those variables out of the equation when comparing Titanfall to DUST. That leaves the two variables of 'soul' and 'core mechanics'. DUST has the soul(well the promise of it, at least) but unpleasant awkward mechanics. In fact the 'soul' potential of DUST is essentially unbounded - when full integration with New Eden is complete, DUST will have gameplay so immersive that it will be capable of holding gamers for a lifetime. On the other hand CCP has given little indication that core mechanics will be receiving any serious attention anytime soon. Titanfall has joyful mechanics but will never have soul. In all likelihood the mechanics will receive further polish. The coming VR revolution will most likely serve Titanfall well and showcase the care and attention the devs have put into the mechanics and presentation of their game. That's it, i've got no deep observations to make other than it's a wonderful natural experiment in the field biology sense: a game with nothing but mechanics going for it and a game with nothing but (the promise of)soul gong for it, each competing in their relative FPS ecosystems for playerbase. I support SP rollover.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 120	Posted - 2014.03.14 02:25:00 - [2] - Quote We need core first, that's the basic of any FPS. Once we get all of the Weapons,dropsuits, and vehicles for races THEN we can focus on strengthening our soul Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 ETC- My Initials!!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 915	Posted - 2014.03.14 02:29:00 - [3] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: We need core first, that's the basic of any FPS. Once we get all of the Weapons,dropsuits, and vehicles for races THEN we can focus on strengthening our soul I respectfully disagree, you can get the core anywhere, Its the soul at the OP put it that made me want to play this game when I had previously passed on every other multiplayer FPS. Hopefully we will someday have both. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 120	Posted - 2014.03.14 02:34:00 - [4] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Forever ETC wrote: We need core first, that's the basic of any FPS. Once we get all of the Weapons,dropsuits, and vehicles for races THEN we can focus on strengthening our soul I respectfully disagree, you can get the core anywhere, Its the soul at the OP put it that made me want to play this game when I had previously passed on every other multiplayer FPS. Hopefully we will someday have both. Yes, I see your point. With Lore we can keep players longer. But core mechanics is something that HAS to be fixed. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 ETC- My Initials!!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1784	Posted - 2014.03.14 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Forever ETC wrote: We need core first, that's the basic of any FPS. Once we get all of the Weapons,dropsuits, and vehicles for races THEN we can focus on strengthening our soul I respectfully disagree, you can get the core anywhere, Its the soul at the OP put it that made me want to play this game when I had previously passed on every other multiplayer FPS. Hopefully we will someday have both. Yes, I see your point. With Lore we can keep players longer. But core mechanics is something that HAS to be fixed. I'd say that in New Eden, it's really more than just lore. I've been playing the ESO beta and since i've never spent any time in morrowind/skyrim etc., the in-game lore is pure instant click-through for me. I can imagine peeps from outside of New Eden feel the exact same way in EVE or DUST. But when speaking about 'soul' in DUST, it's not lore - it's the epic worldbuilding that EVE players have done in constructing the social universe, the deep connections and the history that continues to influence and drive stellar politics. No amount of lore, no matter how well written, could ever replace what the players have created over the course of 10 years. No other game has this, and unless another developer is willing to spend 10 years tending to their own single-shard social sandbox, no other game will. Imo it's also important that the universe is so ruthless and that CCP remains hands-off wherever possible. I honestly can't see any other developer nutso enough to take something like this on. One thing is for sure, they'd have to be an indy outfit. I support SP rollover.
Scar Scrilla UN1TED NATIONS 141	Posted - 2014.03.14 13:11:00 - [6] - Quote I'm playing Titanfall right now and it is a great game. Especially if you are used to playing Dust (and don't play scout all the time) the movement speed and double jump features of Titanfall are incredibly fun and easy to master, as well as wall climbing etc. Also the fast deployment of the Titans is a great deal, especially if you are used to the terrible RDV pilots taking ages to deploy a vehicle. Still I miss the social features and Corp structure, as well as the RPG elements DUST has to offer. A mixture of Titanfall and DUST 514 would make the perfect FPS in my IMHO. "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" "Go and hack the letter(s)" - Join our public channel: UN1TE
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 483	Posted - 2014.03.14 13:21:00 - [7] - Quote well as i believe, the potential for a "soul" is why we are all still playing Dust ,but the core is what makes us hate it. am i right? "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2014.03.14 17:11:00 - [8] - Quote I think to a lot of people the soul you speak doesn't really matter as long as the gameplay is fun . For dust it has a potential of soul or does now , but not many people like or care about dust compared to the ones that do. I think it is possible for Respawn to expand on the campaign and potentially care more about the world then CCP can for dust , they already kinda did it with the campaign now albeit not in the best way although they have the money , people , marketing , and talent to do it . All they need to do is take the chance just like ccp can do .
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2193	Posted - 2014.03.14 17:15:00 - [9] - Quote IT shows you need a balance, no soul on and the game is nothing more than a summer favorite that doesn't last. No core and it won't be enjoyed, simple. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2571	Posted - 2014.03.14 17:18:00 - [10] - Quote The simple truth you need BOTH in order for it work. See team fortress 2 as an example. Destiny looks to have both but im not calling it till i try it again. But a reskinned halo is no bad thing lol "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2014.03.14 17:35:00 - [11] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: IT shows you need a balance, no soul on and the game is nothing more than a summer favorite that doesn't last. No core and it won't be enjoyed, simple. Bf3 has more players than dust does and it came out in 2011 http://bf3stats.com/ ( could be wrong numbers ) and you can look on other FPS games on steam it has more players as well . It seems to me as long as the game is fun people still play it as long as they want. I don't think the OP's version of "soul" is required , but it helps.
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 67	Posted - 2014.03.14 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: IT shows you need a balance, no soul on and the game is nothing more than a summer favorite that doesn't last. No core and it won't be enjoyed, simple. Bf3 has more players than dust does and it came out in 2011 http://bf3stats.com/ ( could be wrong numbers ) and you can look on other FPS games on steam it has more players as well . It seems to me as long as the game is fun people still play it as long as they want. I don't think the OP's version of "soul" is required , but it helps. Mainstream games... You really can't compare dust to something like BF3, and it doesn't matter if dust if fps in the main way. It is part of eve universe and it's inner thought is very different than of any other fps games.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 930	Posted - 2014.03.14 18:21:00 - [13] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: I think to a lot of people the soul you speak doesn't really matter as long as the gameplay is fun . For dust it has a potential of soul or does now , but not many people like or care about dust compared to the ones that do. I think it is possible for Respawn to expand on the campaign and potentially care more about the world then CCP can for dust , they already kinda did it with the campaign now albeit not in the best way although they have the money , people , marketing , and talent to do it . All they need to do is take the chance just like ccp can do . I haven't played Titanfall, but from what I hear about it Respawn can learn from CCP about fleshing out their world and making it matter from a story perspective and at the same time CCP can learn a lot from Respawn about making a fun fast moving FPS. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2645	Posted - 2014.03.14 18:27:00 - [14] - Quote How is this a question, the core is always the most important and having interesting window dressing wont keep a decent sized population I mean hell, look at Dusts population numbers right now I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2014.03.14 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: IT shows you need a balance, no soul on and the game is nothing more than a summer favorite that doesn't last. No core and it won't be enjoyed, simple. Bf3 has more players than dust does and it came out in 2011 http://bf3stats.com/ ( could be wrong numbers ) and you can look on other FPS games on steam it has more players as well . It seems to me as long as the game is fun people still play it as long as they want. I don't think the OP's version of "soul" is required , but it helps. Mainstream games... You really can't compare dust to something like BF3, and it doesn't matter if dust is fps in the main way. It is part of eve universe and it's inner thought and soul is very different than of any other fps games. I can compare the numbers and since CCP wants dust as a AAA game it is fair to compare . Besides that isn't the point , the point is despite the fact that none of those mainstream games have no "soul" as stated by the OP and some people's opinion here but a game like Bf3 has more players playing a title that has very little updates and much older than dust still has more players playing titles me that a lot of people care about gameplay than the "soul" as describe by the OP.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP 155	Posted - 2014.03.14 18:45:00 - [16] - Quote A FPS with soul on a console will fail in numbers always. FPS console players do not give two $hits about soul, they care about KDR and who has the best. They will always move onto the next bright shinny light that looks pretty and has KDR as the foundation. CCP has tried and have been very unsuccessful at developing a AAA console FPS. They have succeeded at keeping some fan boys around with the soul Soon Gäó. Sad part is that because CCP already had the soul all they really needed to do is succeed at the core but they did not, they failed horribly at the core and continue to fail. In the end DUST will fail if CCP continues to travel down the current road map they are on. Because at the foundation DUST is a FPS and right now that foundation is not good, it will crumble under the weight its own soul if it does not get fixed. DUST514 I love the dream but not the current product. Dusters - WhenGäó CCP - SoonGäó
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 630	Posted - 2014.03.14 18:48:00 - [17] - Quote Just wanted to hit on this. Vrain Matari wrote: The primary criticism... is that it has no soul, there is little immersion, matches are essentially meaningless - the game is just a pure multiplayer FPS with conventional gamemodes. I feel exactly this way about DUST currently. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP 156	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:01:00 - [18] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Just wanted to hit on this. Vrain Matari wrote: The primary criticism... is that it has no soul, there is little immersion, matches are essentially meaningless - the game is just a pure multiplayer FPS with conventional gamemodes. I feel exactly this way about DUST currently. DUST has the soul in the wings waiting for the core to get fixed and then the soul will glow. DUST is lost right now trying to be something that it clearly is not. DUST514 I love the dream but not the current product. Dusters - WhenGäó CCP - SoonGäó
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 774	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote Im invested in my charicter, it took me time and effort to get my gun game up, my scout/trap game up, and my skill points into what I wanted. The univeres itself also has plenty of soul, but yeah would be nice to have more game modes and maps and of course less lag. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 621	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:35:00 - [20] - Quote Titan Fall is the hare; DUST 514 is the turtle. The hare will rest on its laurels because its flawless core mechanics were built up tried and tested formulas. That's why people are already complaining that it's repetitive...it's got no innovation outside of the mech mechanic and the wall running etc. DUST 514 will take slow and steady paces and will eventually surpass all other shooters because no one else can accomplish what CCP have with EVE, TQ and the ability to have an asynchronous gross genre, cross platform IP that is connected. The foundational features that set this game apart from all the other annual shooters; the customisation, asset management/economy/market, 10 years of rich scifi lore etc etc are only going to expand. People are getting hard cause you can get in a mech in TF...wait till I can call a fully customised one at will...or a tank, or a dropship, or jet, or hover bike, or HAV, LAV etc etc. of course this stuff may not materialise for quite some time but that's how the turtle rolls...er crawls. It's only early days. CCP talks about a 10 year plan and people are getting butt devastated in the second year already. DUST isn't going to suddenly become the CoD/BF/TF that people want it to be as they talk about how doomed it is over night. I think many on these boards will be singing a different tune come Fanfest. I've been humming dat tune from the start yo! Could be dead wrong though, time will tell. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing



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