DUST Search - "taking out orbiting starships" a still a planed HAV role?

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

A webpage put together by some intern is quite a different thing than the Devs sitting down and discussing it.

HAVs were never, nor are they currently, intended to shoot at any space vehicle.

Also, please note the size of the weapon facility is roughly the same. The difference in look is due to your video being still from Carbon, whereas my screenshot is from the UDK version of Dust. Also, no, these will not take out Eve ships in one shot despite the bombastic teaser video.

I was unaware of the internal workings of CCP as you so clearly are. Please, enlighten us.

It's an assumption to say that no game devs were involved in any of the web site.

As for the facilities, the size has nothing to do with anything. It's a cinematic trailer. I'm well aware of the reason for the differences between them. I'm well aware of the facility we have in the current version of DUST. I'm well aware that what is shown in CCP cinematic trailers has little relevance on the actual in game balance of different items. I'm also well aware that you have no sources to say that this was clearly never an intended role for HAVs. It's an opinion you're entitled to until you share a source that makes it factual, or a dev talks about it one way or the other.

For what it's worth, the idea of a HAV shooting anything in orbit is a bit ridiculous.

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The-Errorist 556	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:44:00 - [1] - Quote Based on what CCP has on https://dust514.com/universe/vehicles/ about tanks, Quote: Their role on the battlefield is to provide heavily-armed and armored support at medium to long range, assisting infantry and lightly armored vehicles, or taking out orbiting starships. Is "taking out orbiting starships" still a planned role or not?
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 286	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:45:00 - [2] - Quote I think these are just the regular HAV deployed inside the starships. I know Titan maps are on the table. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2035	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:46:00 - [3] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Based on what CCP has on https://dust514.com/universe/vehicles/ about tanks, Quote: Their role on the battlefield is to provide heavily-armed and armored support at medium to long range, assisting infantry and lightly armored vehicles, or taking out orbiting starships. Is "taking out orbiting starships" still a planned role or not? This was never a role for HAVs. Starships are far too large. This was, originally, planned for ground facilities to be able to do, but since then any integration to Eve has been pretty nonexistent. Here's a screenshot of the type of gun necessary to take out a ship - in multiple shots mind you: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/63551/1/orbital_artillery_assault.jpg
VLIGHT5 Allein Industries 307	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:46:00 - [4] - Quote If it's still planned, rest assured it will probably never happen.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8195	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:46:00 - [5] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Based on what CCP has on https://dust514.com/universe/vehicles/ about tanks, Quote: Their role on the battlefield is to provide heavily-armed and armored support at medium to long range, assisting infantry and lightly armored vehicles, or taking out orbiting starships. Is "taking out orbiting starships" still a planned role or not? One of reasons why I think HAV should be more leaning to Anti Vehicle roles than Anti Infantry roles. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 998	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:46:00 - [6] - Quote Well, with the current state of railguns currently... Me in my ADS: 1,2
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 629	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:46:00 - [7] - Quote Hopefully no but knowing tankers they will want to do just that... BANGO SKANK WAS HERE 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
The-Errorist 556	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:49:00 - [8] - Quote There must be a reason why they still have that line in the description for HAVs on that site.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8195	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Hopefully no but knowing tankers they will want to do just that... At one time it was possible we could shoot the MCC. What is wrong with that? I would love to have HAV shy away from their infantry meat grinding monstrous current iterations and move towards a specific and useful role that they can dedicate themselves to. Top Tier ground based Anti Vehicle combat, High ISK cost, high SP cost. That way we can work with infantry to support and protect them, and provide them an armoured position to fire small turrets from. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2036	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:54:00 - [10] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: There must be a reason why they still have that line in the description for HAVs on that site. Yes, the same reason that there are still so many issues in Dust.

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 619	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:56:00 - [11] - Quote Rail turret range buff confirmed. 600m effective range? Try 600km. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
The-Errorist 556	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The-Errorist wrote: There must be a reason why they still have that line in the description for HAVs on that site. Yes, the same reason that there are still so many issues in Dust. Just trying to shine some light on this issue.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 619	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:57:00 - [13] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: I think these are just the regular HAV deployed inside the starships. I know Titan maps are on the table. Got a source for that? I sure as hell hope they would be NPC titans. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13380	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote I know in the larger ships you can have a tank battle inside of them and its due to the design needs of the ships such as the large atriums for larger repair supplies are much larger than some tanks. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2036	Posted - 2014.03.13 20:58:00 - [15] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Buster Friently wrote: The-Errorist wrote: There must be a reason why they still have that line in the description for HAVs on that site. Yes, the same reason that there are still so many issues in Dust. Just trying to shine some light on this issue. Well, me too. I'm not sure what issue you refer to though. I refer to the obvious marketing error on the webpage because HAVs were never meant to shoot at starships.
The-Errorist 558	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:01:00 - [16] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Buster Friently wrote: The-Errorist wrote: There must be a reason why they still have that line in the description for HAVs on that site. Yes, the same reason that there are still so many issues in Dust. Just trying to shine some light on this issue. Well, me too. I'm not sure what issue you refer to though. I refer to the obvious marketing error on the webpage because HAVs were never meant to shoot at starships. The very same.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 619	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:05:00 - [17] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: This was never a role for HAVs. Starships are far too large. This was, originally, planned for ground facilities to be able to do, but since then any integration to Eve has been pretty nonexistent. Here's a screenshot of the type of gun necessary to take out a ship - in multiple shots mind you: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/63551/1/orbital_artillery_assault.jpg As for ground-to-space facilities, all we know is that the structure you showed is indeed some kind of ground-to-space facility. We don't know anything of its intended capabilities, from a lore or mechanics perspective. However, in this video, a different gun takes out a dreadnaught in one hit. It's quite the statement to say that it was never a role for HAVs when the devs clearly sat down at some point and said it should be, to the point that they put it in that description. You're wrong. At some point it was intended to be a role for HAVs. The only question is will it be a HAV role in the future. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2037	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:06:00 - [18] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Buster Friently wrote: This was never a role for HAVs. Starships are far too large. This was, originally, planned for ground facilities to be able to do, but since then any integration to Eve has been pretty nonexistent. Here's a screenshot of the type of gun necessary to take out a ship - in multiple shots mind you: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/63551/1/orbital_artillery_assault.jpg As for ground-to-space facilities, all we know is that the structure you showed is indeed some kind of ground-to-space facility. We don't know anything of its intended capabilities, from a lore or mechanics perspective. However, in this video, a different gun takes out a dreadnaught in one hit. It's quite the statement to say that it was never a role for HAVs when the devs clearly sat down at some point and said it should be, to the point that they put it in that description. You're wrong. At some point it was intended to be a role for HAVs. The only question is will it be a HAV role in the future. A webpage put together by some intern is quite a different thing than the Devs sitting down and discussing it. HAVs were never, nor are they currently, intended to shoot at any space vehicle. Also, please note the size of the weapon facility is roughly the same. The difference in look is due to your video being still from Carbon, whereas my screenshot is from the UDK version of Dust. Also, no, these will not take out Eve ships in one shot despite the bombastic teaser video.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 578	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:08:00 - [19] - Quote well with railguns they can do it now "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 637	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:13:00 - [20] - Quote I really hope this happens. It's irritating seeing the red box in the sky, knowing a player is there, waiting to orbital strike us, and we have no recourse. Put those ships at risk from planetary cannons! >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 620	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:15:00 - [21] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: A webpage put together by some intern is quite a different thing than the Devs sitting down and discussing it. HAVs were never, nor are they currently, intended to shoot at any space vehicle. Also, please note the size of the weapon facility is roughly the same. The difference in look is due to your video being still from Carbon, whereas my screenshot is from the UDK version of Dust. Also, no, these will not take out Eve ships in one shot despite the bombastic teaser video. I was unaware of the internal workings of CCP as you so clearly are. Please, enlighten us. It's an assumption to say that no game devs were involved in any of the web site. As for the facilities, the size has nothing to do with anything. It's a cinematic trailer. I'm well aware of the reason for the differences between them. I'm well aware of the facility we have in the current version of DUST. I'm well aware that what is shown in CCP cinematic trailers has little relevance on the actual in game balance of different items. I'm also well aware that you have no sources to say that this was clearly never an intended role for HAVs. It's an opinion you're entitled to until you share a source that makes it factual, or a dev talks about it one way or the other. For what it's worth, the idea of a HAV shooting anything in orbit is a bit ridiculous. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 490	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:22:00 - [22] - Quote All of a sudden strange vehicles are seen looming in the red line http://tinypic.com/r/qou1vk/8
The-Errorist 558	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:25:00 - [23] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: All of a sudden strange vehicles are seen looming in the red line http://tinypic.com/r/qou1vk/8
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2039	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:26:00 - [24] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Buster Friently wrote: A webpage put together by some intern is quite a different thing than the Devs sitting down and discussing it. HAVs were never, nor are they currently, intended to shoot at any space vehicle. Also, please note the size of the weapon facility is roughly the same. The difference in look is due to your video being still from Carbon, whereas my screenshot is from the UDK version of Dust. Also, no, these will not take out Eve ships in one shot despite the bombastic teaser video. I was unaware of the internal workings of CCP as you so clearly are. Please, enlighten us. It's an assumption to say that no game devs were involved in any of the web site. As for the facilities, the size has nothing to do with anything. It's a cinematic trailer. I'm well aware of the reason for the differences between them. I'm well aware of the facility we have in the current version of DUST. I'm well aware that what is shown in CCP cinematic trailers has little relevance on the actual in game balance of different items. I'm also well aware that you have no sources to say that this was clearly never an intended role for HAVs. It's an opinion you're entitled to until you share a source that makes it factual, or a dev talks about it one way or the other. For what it's worth, the idea of a HAV shooting anything in orbit is a bit ridiculous. Well, I do not have a source, that much is true. I'll look for one though. Let's be serious though. There are some things that you can tell without needing a source. This is one of them. One doesn't need to be a member of the dev team to understand.You, yourself, comment that it would be ridiculous. The size difference is obviously another major issue. More importantly though, through a touch of logic, you can see that the concept doesn't work from a gameplay mechanic sense either. It's simply an impossibility. Right off the top of my head going from the fact that all combat in Eve is point and click vs combat in Dust being first person aimed. This alone means that there will likely never be any direct (i.e non choreographed) fighting between Eve ships and Dust vehicles, let alone the absurd levels of differences between HAVs and even the smallest Dust ships. You're right though, this is just my opinion. I'll look to see if any dev has actually commented one way or another, but I doubt it exists. Also, if I may ask, if you knew about the scale differences, the game engine differences, and the non-factual nature of CCP's teaser videos did you bring one up as evidence and then suggest that it confirms anything at all?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5074	Posted - 2014.03.13 21:30:00 - [25] - Quote If you want to shoot my typhoon or even my thrasher with your tank I invite you to do so, I'll just laugh as my shields passive tank your tiny butt. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)


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