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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:09:00 -
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If you did not understand this yet, Get your CORE skills maxed, then at least one PROTO suit then at least one PROTO gun you like to play with.
Using ADV suit with maxed core skills will let you be always ISK positive in pub matches, im saying get a proto suit and a proto gun if you get serious enough to go into planetary conquest (end game).
Its easier to raise equipement as a short term goal than a proto suit. but core skills takes lots of time and energy but will be present on all your fits. Get Armor and shield lvl 5 and +25% PG and CPU....
Now you will never need another respec after that...
Quebec United CFO
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1855
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:11:00 -
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I'm here to argue that PC is not end game. FW is. FW takes (though a minor) role in the wars. To serve your faction of choice should be end game, not a broken system.
Other than that, yeah. Spec into Core skills, people. They last forever.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
236
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:13:00 -
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Reimbursal*
Respec = Respecialization.. That word is dead in DUST 514. and will never happen again.
We might get Reimbursal's or Refunds depending on changes to skills and equipment but nothing more ever..
Respecializing your entire mercenary in DUST 514 is the way of the Dodo bird. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
618
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:16:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Reimbursal*
Respec = Respecialization.. That word is dead in DUST 514. and will never happen again.
We might get Reimbursal's or Refunds depending on changes to skills and equipment but nothing more ever..
Respecializing your entire mercenary in DUST 514 is the way of the Dodo bird. You mean it can be cloned back into existance?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
-Albert Einstein
Dust is insanity.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1855
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:16:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Reimbursal*
Respec = Respecialization.. That word is dead in DUST 514. and will never happen again.
We might get Reimbursal's or Refunds depending on changes to skills and equipment but nothing more ever..
Respecializing your entire mercenary in DUST 514 is the way of the Dodo bird.
Actually (for bloody once), this is actually a re-specialization of our suit SP, not a refund. Refund implies that something is removed and we get something back for it. Instead, nothing is being removed, but instead added. We are being respec'd because of that.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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NotWhoYou ThinkEyeAm
Expert Intervention Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:17:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Reimbursal*
Respec = Respecialization.. That word is dead in DUST 514. and will never happen again.
We might get Reimbursal's or Refunds depending on changes to skills and equipment but nothing more ever..
Respecializing your entire mercenary in DUST 514 is the way of the Dodo bird. *facepalm*
There's so many smartasses around here.
45 player match
I'm obviously not who you think I am
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
127
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:20:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:I'm here to argue that PC is not end game. FW is. FW takes (though a minor) role in the wars. To serve your faction of choice should be end game, not a broken system.
Other than that, yeah. Spec into Core skills, people. They last forever.
Then i am happy to run in a bpo suit level 1 dren like an adv suit cauz my core skillz are maxed in end game :)
Quebec United CFO
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
995
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:22:00 -
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Not all core skills are worth maxing. The fitting skills are worth it, and to a lesser extent, the light/heavy/sidearm/explosive weapon skills, depending on whether those are needed for that last bit of CPU on specific fits.
But as a scout, you may decide that the extra 10 EHP gained from getting armor/shield upgrades to 5 isn't worth the 620k SP. It might very well be worth it if you are a heavy, however, as the bonus is more significant. Same thing goes for hacking - if you aren't going to use the modules, an extra 5% of hacking probably isn't worth 777k SP. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1857
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:22:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Then i am happy to run in a bpo suit level 1 dren like an adv suit cauz my core skillz are maxed in end game :)
I run complete standard fittings for that same reason. Soon I'll be using a full Gallentean fitting, which of course will also be standard unless I feel like getting try-hardy.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
210
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:33:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Not all core skills are worth maxing. The fitting skills are worth it, and to a lesser extent, the light/heavy/sidearm/explosive weapon skills, depending on whether those are needed for that last bit of CPU on specific fits.
But as a scout, you may decide that the extra 10 EHP gained from getting armor/shield upgrades to 5 isn't worth the 620k SP. It might very well be worth it if you are a heavy, however, as the bonus is more significant. Same thing goes for hacking - if you aren't going to use the modules, an extra 5% of hacking probably isn't worth 777k SP.
I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure the hack speed is worth it unless you're a dedicated vehicle user. This is coming from a Min Logi who's glad to have the respec because the hack speed bonus is being taken away. OH, I know what you're saying though. Yeah I'd only get it to level 4 if you're not using the modules.
bamboo x in 1.8 (Boundless Heavy Machine Gun) you
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
239
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:41:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:DootDoot wrote:Reimbursal*
Respec = Respecialization.. That word is dead in DUST 514. and will never happen again.
We might get Reimbursal's or Refunds depending on changes to skills and equipment but nothing more ever..
Respecializing your entire mercenary in DUST 514 is the way of the Dodo bird. Actually (for bloody once), this is actually a re-specialization of our suit SP, not a refund. Refund implies that something is removed and we get something back for it. Instead, nothing is being removed, but instead added. We are being respec'd because of that.
How do you specialize into Heavy with only suit skills? That mere notion hurts my brain... We are getting refunded dropsuit skill tree.. because of blanket changes to the bonuses and suits. changing even how they function...
Weapons have always been tweaked through DUST... so has equipment.. No one asked for a respec because they buffed the Repair tools? but they sure will after they nerf it back... Those changes are balance changes that affect everyone equally.. so no reimbursal should be given.. and is part of the development process..
Changing the way each suit individually works and their bonuses.. Has warranted the refund or reimbursal.. Not even the addition of the new suits.. that's merely new content. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3227
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:42:00 -
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I usually suggest a more balanced approach for advancement. You need good skills in your primary weapon and an advanced suit to give you a fair number of slots. Then level up the defensive and fitting skills necessary to fill that suit. Once you can fit complex shield extenders and/or basic plates and repair pick up any Dropsuit Upgrade skills that support your chosen specialization and get those to advanced.
Running a prototype suit and prototype weapon is very expensive. Veterans have fat wallets and can do it but if you don't then standard and advanced gear can take you a long way and is much easier to sustain.
Good skills in your primary weapon means operation 5 and proficiency 2 or 3. Maxing out a weapon should come much later in your career.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
239
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:47:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:I usually suggest a more balanced approach for advancement. You need good skills in your primary weapon and an advanced suit to give you a fair number of slots. Then level up the defensive and fitting skills necessary to fill that suit. Once you can fit complex shield extenders and/or basic plates and repair pick up any Dropsuit Upgrade skills that support your chosen specialization and get those to advanced.
Running a prototype suit and prototype weapon is very expensive. Veterans have fat wallets and can do it but if you don't then standard and advanced gear can take you a long way and is much easier to sustain.
Good skills in your primary weapon means operation 5 and proficiency 2 or 3. Maxing out a weapon should come much later in your career.
I would suggest as a lesson i learned from Open Beta ---> Uprising launch skill alllocation.
Wait...
Just for a week... will it suck? yes... will your friends have the new and shinny before you? yes... Will they make big mistakes allocating SP? YES
Waiting that week to really see what emerges strong and weak... what works and doesn't will benefit you into the future.
Alot of players on Uprising launch had their mind set on a certain weapon and suit... And quickly realized they made giant mistakes allocating SP...
Just a fore warning... Most people will be waiting a few days to allocate their SP. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
3228
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:50:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:I usually suggest a more balanced approach for advancement. You need good skills in your primary weapon and an advanced suit to give you a fair number of slots. Then level up the defensive and fitting skills necessary to fill that suit. Once you can fit complex shield extenders and/or basic plates and repair pick up any Dropsuit Upgrade skills that support your chosen specialization and get those to advanced.
Running a prototype suit and prototype weapon is very expensive. Veterans have fat wallets and can do it but if you don't then standard and advanced gear can take you a long way and is much easier to sustain.
Good skills in your primary weapon means operation 5 and proficiency 2 or 3. Maxing out a weapon should come much later in your career. I would suggest as a lesson i learned from Open Beta ---> Uprising launch skill alllocation. Wait... Just for a week... will it suck? yes... will your friends have the new and shinny before you? yes... Will they make big mistakes allocating SP? YES Waiting that week to really see what emerges strong and weak... what works and doesn't will benefit you into the future. Alot of players on Uprising launch had their mind set on a certain weapon and suit... And quickly realized they made giant mistakes allocating SP... Just a fore warning... Most people will be waiting a few days to allocate their SP.
DootDoot may ride Da Short Buss but speaks words of wisdom.
Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
622
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Posted - 2014.03.13 16:51:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:If you did not understand this yet, Get your CORE skills maxed, then at least one PROTO suit then at least one PROTO gun you like to play with.
Using ADV suit with maxed core skills will let you be always ISK positive in pub matches, im saying get a proto suit and a proto gun if you get serious enough to go into planetary conquest (end game).
Its easier to raise equipement as a short term goal than a proto suit. but core skills takes lots of time and energy but will be present on all your fits. Get Armor and shield lvl 5 and +25% PG and CPU....
Now you will never need another respec after that... Good advice gets you a +1
BANGO SKANK WAS HERE
1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2359
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:03:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:
Now you will never need another respec after that...
Sadly this is not true, as there are plenty of whiners out there complaining they didn't get the dropsuit upgrades tree refunded because "oh noes I want a shield tanked suit now, my armor points are totally wasted, u suck CCP!"
It is excellent advice, however.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1864
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:21:00 -
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DootDoot wrote: How do you specialize into Heavy with only suit skills? That mere notion hurts my brain... We are getting refunded dropsuit skill tree.. because of blanket changes to the bonuses and suits. changing even how they function...
Weapons have always been tweaked through DUST... so has equipment.. No one asked for a respec because they buffed the Repair tools? but they sure will after they nerf it back... Those changes are balance changes that affect everyone equally.. so no reimbursal should be given.. and is part of the development process..
Changing the way each suit individually works and their bonuses.. Has warranted the refund or reimbursal.. Not even the addition of the new suits.. that's merely new content.
I'm at the point where I'm positive you're one of the many that really don't understand the difference between "refund" and "respec", so it's Learning Post with your host Kasote Denzara.
"Refund", by its very meaning, implies that a product or service is taken away or cancelled and payment for the product or service is refunded. Nothing is being taken from us nor cancelled.
"Re-specialization" is just that- a re-specialization. It is taking everything specialized and putting it somewhere else. In this situation, it is the suit's Command that is being respec'd because, previously, we had a limited options to choose from. We specialized into what we could. We are now being re-specialized by pulling all available SP in the suits so that we may specialize once again (at least for suits). None of the suits are being taken away, nor how they function for what they exist as are.
As for "no one asked for a respec", that's being asked way too much. It's problematic how much it is asked. We are being re-specialized in suits, not refunded. After all, now you know the difference between "refund" and "respec".
This has been your host, Kasote Denzara. This concludes the Learning Post.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
243
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:27:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:DootDoot wrote: How do you specialize into Heavy with only suit skills? That mere notion hurts my brain... We are getting refunded dropsuit skill tree.. because of blanket changes to the bonuses and suits. changing even how they function...
Weapons have always been tweaked through DUST... so has equipment.. No one asked for a respec because they buffed the Repair tools? but they sure will after they nerf it back... Those changes are balance changes that affect everyone equally.. so no reimbursal should be given.. and is part of the development process..
Changing the way each suit individually works and their bonuses.. Has warranted the refund or reimbursal.. Not even the addition of the new suits.. that's merely new content.
I'm at the point where I'm positive you're one of the many that really don't understand the difference between "refund" and "respec", so it's Learning Post with your host Kasote Denzara. "Refund", by its very meaning, implies that a product or service is taken away or cancelled and payment for the product or service is refunded. Nothing is being taken from us nor cancelled. "Re-specialization" is just that- a re-specialization. It is taking everything specialized and putting it somewhere else. In this situation, it is the suit's Command that is being respec'd because, previously, we had a limited options to choose from. We specialized into what we could. We are now being re-specialized by pulling all available SP in the suits so that we may specialize once again (at least for suits). None of the suits are being taken away, nor how they function for what they exist as are. As for "no one asked for a respec", that's being asked way too much. It's problematic how much it is asked. We are being re-specialized in suits, not refunded. After all, now you know the difference between "refund" and "respec". This has been your host, Kasote Denzara. This concludes the Learning Post.
Where in the post that you countered did I say "refund?" You massively missed the point about when people are asking for a respec..
And Yes you cannot specialize into being a Sentinel with just the suit skills... Might be vague and generalized like that in other games? but not here... A heavy suit isn't much without the skills that go with it. Hence the specialization..
And WHY so many people are EMO right now... People HATE having skills not perfectly allocated around a specialization...
The idea of specialized Mercenaries.. at all in DUST is gone.. that is the point your drastically missing here. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1865
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:30:00 -
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DootDoot wrote: Where in the post that you countered did I say "refund?" You massively missed the point about when people are asking for a respec..
And Yes you cannot specialize into being a Sentinel with just the suit skills... Might be vague and generalized like that in other games? but not here... A heavy suit isn't much without the skills that go with it. Hence the specialization..
And WHY so many people are EMO right now... People HATE having skills not perfectly allocated around a specialization...
The idea of specialized Mercenaries.. at all in DUST is gone.. that is the point your drastically missing here.
I think I'll dismiss you with just this: The Sentinel is a heavy suit.
lolbye.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
I'm waiting for my G-I suit. It's what I want.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
243
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Posted - 2014.03.13 17:38:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:DootDoot wrote: Where in the post that you countered did I say "refund?" You massively missed the point about when people are asking for a respec..
And Yes you cannot specialize into being a Sentinel with just the suit skills... Might be vague and generalized like that in other games? but not here... A heavy suit isn't much without the skills that go with it. Hence the specialization..
And WHY so many people are EMO right now... People HATE having skills not perfectly allocated around a specialization...
The idea of specialized Mercenaries.. at all in DUST is gone.. that is the point your drastically missing here.
I think I'll dismiss you with just this: The Sentinel is a heavy suit. lolbye.
And for you Specialization of a Mercenary is the suit skill they have... Nothing to do with every other skill needed to make that suit work in it's role.
So if he has Sentinel 5 and Electronics 1 and Armor 1 and a RR hes a specialized heavy.
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