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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7346	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:27:00 - [1] - Quote REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY I know it is OP I do this sometimes...but only when a tank is redlining or ruining the whole map MASTER OF THE FLAYLOCK
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:29:00 - [3] - Quote Lol serves you right for using dual hardeners.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7346	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:32:00 - [4] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Lol serves you right for using dual hardeners. Well. My original fit had a plate instead of a second hardener, but that redline rail tanker just cut through it, so I tried dual hardeners. Didn't help much Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7500	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:32:00 - [5] - Quote Oh how even the felines have fallen. "You're not even Aero, you're just Aero's friend."
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 742	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:33:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Remember this is what the tankers wanted all along Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:44:00 - [7] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Remember this is what the tankers wanted all along :( Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 538	Posted - 2014.03.13 05:49:00 - [8] - Quote As far as I'm concerned, tanks ruin the game with their imbalance. So that rail tank kinda did everyone a favour. Besides you cant complain about redline snipers/tanks if the only place they can spawn is the redline. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10965	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:18:00 - [9] - Quote I approve of rail tanks as long as they harvest tanker tears. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2045	Posted - 2014.03.13 07:59:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I approve of rail tanks as long as they harvest tanker tears. Does Cat Merc constitute a tanker for the purposes of your approval? He's sure crying :P See, this is why shield tanks are better, OP. Fit double (or triple) hardeners and profit. Not even triple damage mods are killing that in a hurry. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1294	Posted - 2014.03.13 08:03:00 - [11] - Quote damage mods on tanks have always been broken and have dominated every other tank build since the beginging... this is old news
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1398	Posted - 2014.03.13 08:16:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Perhaps next time do not participate in threads asking for tanks to be buffed until they are BROKEN. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 117	Posted - 2014.03.13 08:36:00 - [13] - Quote Since I can't reach redline tanks with my dropship and everyone keeps 1-3 shotting me I've taken up noob tanking myself... I don't do it from the redline, unless someones parked a tank too close to it, but yes I've gone with 2 damage mods. and it's retardedly over powered... I hope the tankers like what they've caused, because I mostly ignore the dropships, there's been a lot of sneaking up on tanks and 2-3 shotting them... Funny how I can lose 3 of these and still pull a profit, meanwhile 1 dropship that takes a crap ton of ammo and skill to fly/aim is basically useless in comparison, while costing 5 times as much. Also with all the stupid redliners looking up at the sky, it's very easy to 2 shot them from a distance... I hope everyone enjoys the seeds they have sown. Might I suggest a DPS nerf on all large turrets? Large missiles shouldn't be able to single spam absolutely anything at close range... Blasters shouldn't be able to mow down infantry and still be viable against other vehicles so slow that fire rate down & rails need to ditch that stupid 0.5 sec refire.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 515	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:18:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY A person using an OP tank complaining about losing it to an OP tank. Sweet delicious irony. Only users lose drugs. Time wounds all heels.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 206	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:23:00 - [15] - Quote Large rail turret range should be reduced to 300m. On most maps this will greatly reduce red line rail tank sniping. It will at least prevent one tank from owning half the map while completely safe in his redline. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3437	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:26:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Lol, one OP cuts through another OP. Karma can be a beautiful thing. No.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1727	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:31:00 - [17] - Quote The stacked damage mod Particle Cannon is the tanker crutch. Instead of actually tanking (maneuvering, shooting, positioning) tankers just sit there with their 2-pop crutch. Their is no hardening through it, unless you have triple shield hardeners. You simply have to be aware of your field of battle. ADSes and tankers complain about redline RGs, but its mostly because they get popped and didn't even know that guy was sitting up there. Know his position, and his lines of sight. Despite what Judge says, a rail gun can't lock down an entire map. Its only 5 shots he has to pop you. Being in a situation where a RG from 200-500m away got that good of an open shot on you is your mistake. Don't just rely on hardeners and your build to do the work for you. Squad with actual tankers and ride along with them and learn tips of the trade. I ain't got time for dat sht!*
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:02:00 - [18] - Quote 8213 wrote: The stacked damage mod Particle Cannon is the tanker crutch. Instead of actually tanking (maneuvering, shooting, positioning) tankers just sit there with their 2-pop crutch. Their is no hardening through it, unless you have triple shield hardeners. You simply have to be aware of your field of battle. ADSes and tankers complain about redline RGs, but its mostly because they get popped and didn't even know that guy was sitting up there. Know his position, and his lines of sight. Despite what Judge says, a rail gun can't lock down an entire map. Its only 5 shots he has to pop you. Being in a situation where a RG from 200-500m away got that good of an open shot on you is your mistake. Don't just rely on hardeners and your build to do the work for you. Squad with actual tankers and ride along with them and learn tips of the trade. Right, because they're so easy to spot every time, flying around up there with blue sky as a back drop...wait, that's dropships, tanks are those things that blend into the ground at range and your hit markers are telling you are on the other side of you. My mistake, I always confuse the two... Not new, just new to you.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1213	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:07:00 - [19] - Quote Do cats like popcorn? I do... CEO Whiskey squad leader Official Dust 514 movie style popcorn manufacturer and distributor.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 155	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:21:00 - [20] - Quote Yes CCP please take away anything that can counter OP tanks killing infantry and peasant dropship pilots that want to hover over objectives. The redline is the problem. Fix the redline. Nerfing rails will lead to Nerfing blaster tanks will lead to Nerfing Dropships. Nerf the REDLINE.

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1962	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:27:00 - [21] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY I know it is OP I do this sometimes...but only when a tank is redlining or ruining the whole map So you kill yourself? Dust, you're doing it right. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7351	Posted - 2014.03.13 13:53:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I approve of rail tanks as long as they harvest tanker tears. But... I'm not a tanker. That's like saying a tanker who is using a militia dropsuit to test it out "infantry". Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2014.03.13 14:00:00 - [23] - Quote OP is a cream puff, no wonder he named himself cat.
Marc Rime 312	Posted - 2014.03.13 14:15:00 - [24] - Quote The problem isn't that glass cannon rail tanks can destroy tanks easily, it's that nothing else can. ...although they might be a tad too effective at it should alternative means for fighting tanks become available.
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 749	Posted - 2014.03.13 15:02:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: The stacked damage mod Particle Cannon is the tanker crutch. Instead of actually tanking (maneuvering, shooting, positioning) tankers just sit there with their 2-pop crutch. Their is no hardening through it, unless you have triple shield hardeners. You simply have to be aware of your field of battle. ADSes and tankers complain about redline RGs, but its mostly because they get popped and didn't even know that guy was sitting up there. Know his position, and his lines of sight. Despite what Judge says, a rail gun can't lock down an entire map. Its only 5 shots he has to pop you. Being in a situation where a RG from 200-500m away got that good of an open shot on you is your mistake. Don't just rely on hardeners and your build to do the work for you. Squad with actual tankers and ride along with them and learn tips of the trade. LOL at riding along with a "tanker". I can count the number of small turrets I've seen on tanks with 0 hands Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 26	Posted - 2014.03.13 15:32:00 - [26] - Quote Everyone keeps calling the tanks OP. They are just as OP as a 12 man q-sinc proto squad running with stacked damage mods. Getting killed in 2 shots by a tank or getting killed in 2 shots by a proto stomper is virtually the same thing. Red line tanks are caused by the same situation as snipers; Almost every map is in a bowl shape surrounded by mountains. Where would you rather be? On the top edge of the bowl or in its bottom?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7353	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:22:00 - [27] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Everyone keeps calling the tanks OP. They are just as OP as a 12 man q-sinc proto squad running with stacked damage mods. Getting killed in 2 shots by a tank or getting killed in 2 shots by a proto stomper is virtually the same thing. Red line tanks are caused by the same situation as snipers; Almost every map is in a bowl shape surrounded by mountains. Where would you rather be? On the top edge of the bowl or in its bottom? Hmm, lets see. 12 man Q-sync: Requires 12 men Tank: Requires 1 man Seems legit. Also, you forgot to mention how the tank is invulnerable to small arms fire. IT IS OP, just that the Rail is even more OP. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1538	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:24:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Everyone keeps calling the tanks OP. They are just as OP as a 12 man q-sinc proto squad running with stacked damage mods. Getting killed in 2 shots by a tank or getting killed in 2 shots by a proto stomper is virtually the same thing. Red line tanks are caused by the same situation as snipers; Almost every map is in a bowl shape surrounded by mountains. Where would you rather be? On the top edge of the bowl or in its bottom? Hmm, lets see. 12 man Q-sync: Requires 12 men Tank: Requires 1 man Seems legit. Also, you forgot to mention how the tank is invulnerable to small arms fire. IT IS OP, just that the Rail is even more OP. I wish that tankers would just admit how afraid they are to meet infantry on an equal footing and leave it at that. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
lAssassinl Zer0 Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:26:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: REDLINE RAIL TANK WITH 3 DAMAGE MODS CUTS THROUGH MY DUAL HARDENERS LIKE BUTTER OH GOD OH GOD WHY Edit: My usual fit doesn't use dual hardeners, because I think they're OP. But I switched it around after losing a tank to that Rail Tanker. Didn't help much. Certianely because Rail Turret is the Main AV turret in this Game. Blasters for Infantry. Rail for AV. And because of the Damagers. Increasing the damage in the niche of a weapon....
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 159	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:31:00 - [30] - Quote I support the 3x damage mod rails these are the guys keeping those stubborn blaster tanks from harassing infantry and going 32-0 Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make

LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 26	Posted - 2014.03.13 16:34:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 12 man Q-sync: Requires 12 men Tank: Requires 1 man Seems legit. Also, you forgot to mention how the tank is invulnerable to small arms fire. IT IS OP, just that the Rail is even more OP. 12 Av nades against a tank. 12 forge guns against a tank. Or even 6 proto AV nades against a tank. Or 6 people with 3 proto proximity explosives each. Even if i was out on foot, they would still face me as a group. So the numbers a irrelevant. Its not like they would sit around waiting their turn while I fought them 1vs1. And what would you consider small arms fire? I have killed/lost more tanks due to infantry AV then I killed/lost tanks to enemy heavy turrets. Does the forge guns count? Cause those things pack a serious punch. Onesimus Tarsus wrote: I wish that tankers would just admit how afraid they are to meet infantry on an equal footing and leave it at that. Afraid? What fear is there to be had in a video game? Has everything to do with costs. Tanks can rack up WP pretty fast and can reduce the amount of clones lost, therefore increasing profit.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 124	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:33:00 - [32] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Does the forge guns count? Cause those things pack a serious punch. At least the forge gun has a charge time for it's damage, not that screwy I've charged my 2 second shot now I get to spam it twice every second with 0 recoil. 8213 wrote: Despite what Judge says, a rail gun can't lock down an entire map. Its only 5 shots he has to pop you. Being in a situation where a RG from 200-500m away got that good of an open shot on you is your mistake. Clearly you aren't a pilot then, because if you were then you'd know barely any of the maps have anything you can really hide behind, most of which are so low that you might as well recall and go in on foot, or heck just grab a tank since it's so much more powerful & tanky & speedy & accurate & ** easy to use... As someone who's started using these tanks to kill other tanks, all I can say is you can easily lock down half the map from the red zone... If I move to the other side of the map (along the edge where it's nice and safe, because no one comes to bother you) then you've got the whole map secured for your team as no one can call anything in. & yes the turret is easy to use, no matter how fast something is moving you can just offset the turrets slow turn speed by turning your damn tank around with it... Even at max range the ** is an easy kill, so don't throw this bullshit around that it's my fault if I get shot down by this crap, I should have been out of it's sight, well the only way to be out of it's sight is to recall and not bother!
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 471	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:52:00 - [33] - Quote So lets see here 1) tank players think they should be 100% untouchable by infantry 2) tank players whine until they get exactly what they want 3) said scrubs (if you need meter thick armor plates to make up for your lack of gun game your a scrub) start to farm infantry with blasters 4) someone discovers a militia fit rail tank is the best weapon to counter tanks (remember tankers you wanted this, the counter for a tank should be another tank) I don't see tanker's problem here, you wanted tanks to be the only viable method of killing tanks, well rail tanks with damage mods are the only viable way of killing tanks, so you got what you wanted.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7386	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:57:00 - [34] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: So lets see here 1) tank players think they should be 100% untouchable by infantry 2) tank players whine until they get exactly what they want 3) said scrubs (if you need meter thick armor plates to make up for your lack of gun game your a scrub) start to farm infantry with blasters 4) someone discovers a militia fit rail tank is the best weapon to counter tanks (remember tankers you wanted this, the counter for a tank should be another tank) I don't see tanker's problem here, you wanted tanks to be the only viable method of killing tanks, well rail tanks with damage mods are the only viable way of killing tanks, so you got what you wanted. Too bad I am almost 100% infantry, having invested 27mil SP into tanks. But yeah, totally, that's exactly what I wanted, tanks being untouchable by infantry Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 471	Posted - 2014.03.15 00:01:00 - [35] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: So lets see here 1) tank players think they should be 100% untouchable by infantry 2) tank players whine until they get exactly what they want 3) said scrubs (if you need meter thick armor plates to make up for your lack of gun game your a scrub) start to farm infantry with blasters 4) someone discovers a militia fit rail tank is the best weapon to counter tanks (remember tankers you wanted this, the counter for a tank should be another tank) I don't see tanker's problem here, you wanted tanks to be the only viable method of killing tanks, well rail tanks with damage mods are the only viable way of killing tanks, so you got what you wanted. Too bad I am almost 100% infantry, having invested 27mil SP into tanks. But yeah, totally, that's exactly what I wanted, tanks being untouchable by infantry Not you in particular cat, but many of the "top teir" tankers that actually left because of these changes were screaming for them all day and night on the forums.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 747	Posted - 2014.03.15 00:03:00 - [36] - Quote Playing ambush to get through my ten matches, tanks just ruin the whole game mode. I'd like to think it's worse then normal because of the event but some how I doubt it. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 11	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:01:00 - [37] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: Yes CCP please take away anything that can counter OP tanks killing infantry and peasant dropship pilots that want to hover over objectives. The redline is the problem. Fix the redline. Nerfing rails will lead to Nerfing blaster tanks will lead to Nerfing Dropships. Nerf the REDLINE. Well... until CCP makes any confirmation to changes to maps and/or the redline, rails really should be nerfed. As a pilot, it's just too damn infuriating. Forges do wonders by the way, against dropships and tanks. There won't be a need to nerfing anything other than the damn rail.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3449	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:04:00 - [38] - Quote Serious question, did the swarm nerf help increase the redlining tanks? Were redlining tanks a problem prior to the swarm nerf? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 12	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:09:00 - [39] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Serious question, did the swarm nerf help increase the redlining tanks? Were redlining tanks a problem prior to the swarm nerf? They weren't so much of a problem then, just annoying. Rail installations were OP and still are. I was dying back then to swarms and forge guns. Now, before I even get close to infantry, my ship is already falling in a ball of fire. Thank you CCP... that really crushed what I hoped to being able to fly more often without losing millions upon millions... upon millions of isk.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3449	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:11:00 - [40] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Serious question, did the swarm nerf help increase the redlining tanks? Were redlining tanks a problem prior to the swarm nerf? They weren't so much of a problem then, just annoying. Rail installations were OP and still are. I was dying back then to swarms and forge guns. Now, before I even get close to infantry, my ship is already falling in a ball of fire. Thank you CCP... that really crushed what I hoped to being able to fly more often without losing millions upon millions... upon millions of isk. Ok I was wondering because I don't remember the redline Tanks being a problem pre swarm/av nerf. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?



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