Honestly I think you just want to shoot down any idea that buffs your "enemy"

this change could pave the way for dampeners and signature punishments to add to the risk vs. reward of fitting a vehicle

300m max sounds better as 300m is still quite a long range for a lock on fire and forget based weapons system. 300m is also out of range from missile tanks by 50m and out of range of blasters by approx 100m. This would be fair as say you get a colly off at 300m from the tank you would get all 3 shots in the clip off before the first one hit enabiling the alpha dammage to take on any hav hardend or not. This scenario would allow the tanker to decide whether or not to move for cover or attack the swarmlauncher operative it would also allow av users to absolutly destroy tanks while on resist cycle cooldown assuming only 2 hardners are being used.

Change does **** all becauses do not have them mods yet and that idea with passive resistance mods they are also removed and have been taken from us

How could i do that?

Profile dampners? no they dont exist for vehicles

No nitro? great so i have no extra speed if i wanted so less fits if i dont want to be targeted by every SL user in the next 5 districts

Limit hardeners? no thats doesnt work because hardeners do not increase sig profile but extenders do if i remember

Yea you just want to be sat on a tower again tbh

Under his model, you could prevent being locked on from 400m by not stacking hardeners.

If we made this like EVE Online, then nobody would use Shielded HAVs simply because nobody want's to be locked on from 400m or run with Base HP stats.

In New Eden, you cannot have something for nothing. If you want to stack hardeners, then you must make sacrifice a chunk of your 'getaway' ability; and vice versa for hit-and-run builds. You can have a speedy getaway, but you have to sacrifice the ability to run dual hardeners.

Never once have I sat on a tower with AV. Ironically however, I do have pics of you doing so.

If we made this like EVE online i would have cap and 2 perma repping hardeners on

Also i could fit ewar on it or be attacked by ewar

In new eden i can fit how i want and still run away in EVE online but on DUST no your not allowed

I'm going to have to side with the vehicle users on this one. While the idea does have merit, other changes would have to be implented first for it to be balanced properly. Vehicles vs AV would have to be balanced, Vehiculer E-War would have to be introduced, and probably other things I haven't thought of.

Otherwise you run the risk of tilting the balance too much the other way.

As others on this thread have stated: If you want to have an edge, you must be willing to sacrifice something.

The same principle is also applied on the Macro Scale: For every advantage, there must be a hard counter.

I'm going to have to side with the vehicle users on this one. While the idea does have merit, other changes would have to be implented first for it to be balanced properly. Vehicles vs AV would have to be balanced, Vehiculer E-War would have to be introduced, and probably other things I haven't thought of.

Otherwise you run the risk of tilting the balance too much the other way.

As others on this thread have stated: If you want to have an edge, you must be willing to sacrifice something.

The same principle is also applied on the Macro Scale: For every advantage, there must be a hard counter.

But this time you have the opportunity to render them useless while up there. You can decide whether or not they fire at you. So really, this idea just punishes the mouthbreather tankers.

Also, make the active hardener increase your profile by half the resistance given (while active), and introduce passive hardeners that increase profile by only 1/8 of the resistance given (but reduce the resistance given by the passive hardener by about half or a two thirds of the active)

eg:

active shield hardener: 60% resist, 30% more profile (per hardener)

passive shield hardener: 20% resist, 2.5% or 5% more profile (per hardener)

Im saying in addition to your suggestion of a passive +10% dB increase, make them have half their active resistance as an increase in profile (only when active).

Also I was suggesting a way to implement a balanced passive hardener.

Alright, I've wondered why vehicles have an insanely large profile. And I think this could be used as a way to balance swarm launchers as infantry AV vs. vehicles.

Step 1) Make Swarm Launcher lock range a function of vehicle profile.
Step 2) Make vehicle profiles start at 150 like they do now.
Step 3) Make Swarm Launcher lock range 1m for each dB of vehicle profile. Base of 150m.
Step 4) Make SL skill bonus (or variants or tier) impact lock range by 5% per level. (188m base at max skills)
Step 5) Make STD vehicles have an increased dB by 10-20% depending on if shield/armor.
Step 6) Make hardeners have a stacked drawback of increased profile of 10% per module. (Even if not activated). Make afterburners/overdrives give a +50% dB when activated.

This would mean that a gunlogi, stacking 2 hardeners and activating an overdrive would be lockable by a lvl 5 SL user from:

150 (base range)*1.25 (level 5)*1.2 (STD gunlogi added profile)*1.1 (hardener drawback)*1.1 (hardener drawback)*1.5= 408m during his overdrive, and 272m before using it.

First, not stacking hardeners would be the main way to 'counter' it. Basically, the more hardeners you'd fit, the more SL-AV you expose yourself to. 2x or 3x hardeners would then make your getaway much less likely. Generally, people don't fit mods that counteract the drawback of other mods.

Second, the pilot suit bonuses could further affect the profile of vehicles.

Thirdly, I was thinking of a variant of this idea where we could take the lock range for swarms back to 400m, but instead, make dB affect lock time rather than range. That would get really frustrating with LOS issues though.

So you want me to mix the types of tank that I want to use? No, I refuse.

I'll leave this here, and swarms should get a base 225m range, without this.