DUST Search - Minmatar Commando - Best slayer in 1.8?

1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:

Reav Hannari wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

... but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

I've seen the "dominance in PC" as proof that something is overpowered or the best before. It could simply be that a few people think they are the best and the rest follow until someone breaks from the herd and tries something new. In Uprising 1.8, and I think in 1.7, the Scrambler Rifle has the second best range and the best DPS and damage potential per magazine. It may suffer a reduced efficiency against armor but it does 40% more damage per second versus the Combat Rifle which should overcome the drawback.

Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation.

CR is more reliable, a finishing weapon (added armor damage), easier to fit and the Basic one is ridiculously good.

Combat Rifle is definitely the superior weapon, RR is just the easiest to use

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Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1623	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:55:00 - [1] - Quote So, the Minmatar commando, as we know for now, will have bonus damage on the best rifle of 1.8 (CR) and also bonus dmg to the Mass Driver. It gets one equipment slot for an ammo hive. Best movement speed out of all the heavy suits. Reload speed bonus. Good basic tank, versatile 2/2 slot layout (kinda). Will it be the best DPS suit in 1.8? Probably. Discuss! Drop it like its hat.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3410	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote Less hp than your average proto slayer setup. But I will be using the Std version just for the lols. No.
Patrick57 6009	Posted - 2014.03.11 16:57:00 - [3] - Quote Since when is the CR better than the RR? The RR is just an I win button at any range. I think I'm a forum warrior level 6 :D
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 732	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:00:00 - [4] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Since when is the CR better than the RR? The RR is just an I win button at any range. Patrick, You should know better. Which gun dominates in PC? In the hands of a good player, there is no better or more used weapon than the CR. For the noob, the RR is probably easier to come up to speed and at its max range certainly does more damage, but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC. Sincerely, another RR user....Leadfoot
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2176	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote lol sure it will #CaldariunicornFTW "But we have been blessed"
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 993	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:04:00 - [6] - Quote It's definitely going to be the best commando. If the laser rifle is actually good I could see the Amarr commando stacking up against it. Gallente commando will be a joke and Caldari commando will just be a rail rifle platform. Overall commandos have less HP, slots and speed than most other suits. Also don't doubt the power of grenades when used properly. It will be give or take. Doubles ISK
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3184	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:21:00 - [7] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: ... but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause I've seen the "dominance in PC" as proof that something is overpowered or the best before. It could simply be that a few people think they are the best and the rest follow until someone breaks from the herd and tries something new. In Uprising 1.8, and I think in 1.7, the Scrambler Rifle has the second best range and the best DPS and damage potential per magazine. It may suffer a reduced efficiency against armor but it does 40% more damage per second versus the Combat Rifle which should overcome the drawback. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1254	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:27:00 - [8] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: ... but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause I've seen the "dominance in PC" as proof that something is overpowered or the best before. It could simply be that a few people think they are the best and the rest follow until someone breaks from the herd and tries something new. In Uprising 1.8, and I think in 1.7, the Scrambler Rifle has the second best range and the best DPS and damage potential per magazine. It may suffer a reduced efficiency against armor but it does 40% more damage per second versus the Combat Rifle which should overcome the drawback. Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. CR is more reliable, a finishing weapon (added armor damage), easier to fit and the Basic one is ridiculously good. Combat Rifle is definitely the superior weapon, RR is just the easiest to use The Sinwarden
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3184	Posted - 2014.03.11 17:30:00 - [9] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. Low frame rate doesn't affect the burst mode of the CR as well? I haven't done PC in a long time. Have the lag fixes not helped PC as well? I thought that issue was resolved. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 228	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:02:00 - [10] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: So, the Minmatar commando, as we know for now, will have bonus damage on the best rifle of 1.8 (CR) and also bonus dmg to the Mass Driver. It gets one equipment slot for an ammo hive. Best movement speed out of all the heavy suits. Who needs grenades when you can fit swarms or MD? Reload speed bonus. Good basic tank, versatile 2/2 slot layout (kinda). Will it be the best DPS suit in 1.8? Probably. Discuss! Probably, but will still go down due to large hitbox, slow movement/strafing and a less than stellar tank.

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 895	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:22:00 - [11] - Quote I think the Minnie commando doesn't have enough speed for its tank loss. I knew I wanted a commando for 1.8 and I debated back and forth between Minnie and caldari and settled on the caldari because I love the rail rifle. And if I ever want to lose all respect for myself I can turn it into a wicked sniper too. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.03.11 18:40:00 - [12] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: ... but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause I've seen the "dominance in PC" as proof that something is overpowered or the best before. It could simply be that a few people think they are the best and the rest follow until someone breaks from the herd and tries something new. In Uprising 1.8, and I think in 1.7, the Scrambler Rifle has the second best range and the best DPS and damage potential per magazine. It may suffer a reduced efficiency against armor but it does 40% more damage per second versus the Combat Rifle which should overcome the drawback. Hi Reav! Thanks for your response.... I never said it was "overpowered". I'm simply answering Patrick's question: "Since when is the CR better than the RR?" with the answer "In PC". I do, however, think that you need to take into account what the best players in the game use -- which is what the quoted snippet of my post above alludes to. FWIW, I tend to agree with you about the follow-the-leader when it comes to PC weapons (and the same can be said for the more general pubbing population), and your observations about the ScR (which in the hands of a really good player is probably the strongest of the bunch, but also easily the hardest to use) is also accurate. So, we can argue about DPS or damage per magazine or accuracy or hipfire spread or overheat mechanics or spool up times until we're cross-eyed, but that doesn't change the fact that the CR outnumbers the RR probably 5:1 in PCs, and 10:1 when compared with the ScR. Do you disagree? Signed, One of the RR users....Leadfoot
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1632	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:09:00 - [13] - Quote Well, the CR has the best damage profile in the game, and the Minmatar commando get an innate bonus of 2 complex dmg mods. I.E. The suit is equivalent with 4 high slots 2 low slots. With the possible meta of shield extenders > dmg mods that means not many will fit dmg mods. I guess a minne assault will be quite scary as well. Drop it like its hat.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1632	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:13:00 - [14] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I think the Minnie commando doesn't have enough speed for its tank loss. I knew I wanted a commando for 1.8 and I debated back and forth between Minnie and caldari and settled on the caldari because I love the rail rifle. And if I ever want to lose all respect for myself I can turn it into a wicked sniper too. Caldari would be my choice if I wanted to spec commando. That assault RR. And plasma cannon as sidearm. Will commandos even be useful in PC? The large hitbox and slow movement seems like it really makes the high EHP useless. Drop it like its hat.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 615	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:15:00 - [15] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: ... but the CR is the superior weapon as evidenced by its dominance in PC. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause I've seen the "dominance in PC" as proof that something is overpowered or the best before. It could simply be that a few people think they are the best and the rest follow until someone breaks from the herd and tries something new. In Uprising 1.8, and I think in 1.7, the Scrambler Rifle has the second best range and the best DPS and damage potential per magazine. It may suffer a reduced efficiency against armor but it does 40% more damage per second versus the Combat Rifle which should overcome the drawback. Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. CR is more reliable, a finishing weapon (added armor damage), easier to fit and the Basic one is ridiculously good. Combat Rifle is definitely the superior weapon, RR is just the easiest to use Just as Tiberius sais, CR is dominant. Easy to Fitt, Fast recharge (Slayer logi say thank you CCP) , In low Framerate works a lot better than a sigle fire weapon. LOW dMG per shot mean that if you miss some of the shot, that doesnt matter too much. With the SCR if you miss 1or 2 shot you are usually dead meat. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1632	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:17:00 - [16] - Quote Commando mk.0 is actually the only commando able to fit proto stuff also. Manly due to the low fitting cost of the CR. Drop it like its hat.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1256	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:18:00 - [17] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. Low frame rate doesn't affect the burst mode of the CR as well? I haven't done PC in a long time. Have the lag fixes not helped PC as well? I thought that issue was resolved. Not as bad as the ScR, thing is you can still "sort-of" hit scan with the CR; because, and you'll hear other top tier players say this, when you get the "tap" or rhythm down perfect with the Boundless Combat Rifle it essentially fires like an automatic weapon (incessant tapping is in fact detrimental to your DPS as the gun locks up) thats why I find no need to run an assault CR but to each his own. The ScR is a lot more "finicky", the biggest issue for me is that I fire faster than the game is capable to keep track of, input lag is a huge factor since in PC fights overheats are usually a single click away. And with a gun where your opening shot is the deciding factor, frame rate lags and freezes are often bigger threats than the red dots. I've had 7 patches worth of experience with the ScR in PC games, It's an amazing weapon when the stars align and the game runs smooth but any other time; CR errday The Sinwarden
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1632	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:21:00 - [18] - Quote In rust we must trust when playing dust. Drop it like its hat.
safura trotsky Kill Mode Activated Galactic Skyfleet Empire 34	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:51:00 - [19] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Since when is the CR better than the RR? The RR is just an I win button at any range. after 1.8 the combat rifle will be much better Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1258	Posted - 2014.03.11 21:04:00 - [20] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Since when is the CR better than the RR? The RR is just an I win button at any range. You can't push a point as effectively with an RR as you can with a CR. Camping a point is another story The Sinwarden

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5022	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:09:00 - [21] - Quote so many people defending their crutches.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4333	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:26:00 - [22] - Quote The term "slayer" is idiotic. Assault dropships focus on killing people HAVs focus on killing people Shock-troops focus on killing people Area-deniers focus on killing people They could be all called slayers, but they sure-as-hell aren't the same role. I am your scan error.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1266	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:27:00 - [23] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: so many people defending their crutches.... Yeah? who? The Sinwarden
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8119	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:54:00 - [24] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. Low frame rate doesn't affect the burst mode of the CR as well? I haven't done PC in a long time. Have the lag fixes not helped PC as well? I thought that issue was resolved. Possibly does but RoF makes the weapon more forgiving if you miss. When you start missing with the ScR each shot penalises you a great deal more. This will be more evident in 1.8. In hindsight the nerf isnt too bad, but the weapon operate differently. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 897	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I think the Minnie commando doesn't have enough speed for its tank loss. I knew I wanted a commando for 1.8 and I debated back and forth between Minnie and caldari and settled on the caldari because I love the rail rifle. And if I ever want to lose all respect for myself I can turn it into a wicked sniper too. Caldari would be my choice if I wanted to spec commando. That assault RR. And plasma cannon as sidearm. Will commandos even be useful in PC? The large hitbox and slow movement seems like it really makes the high EHP useless. My buddy suggested rail rifle with assault rail rifle and I instantly knew that was my commando suit. I like versatility and that's the suit for engaging at all ranges. Minmatar commando will be really good too, if the commando is viable at all in 1.8. Also it tipped the scales in Caldari's favor because its the only race I haven't fully specced into a suit for yet. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Rusty Shallows 1081	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:14:00 - [26] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: snip Except in PC and low frame-rate settings the ScR is severely hindered due to its single-fire operation. CR is more reliable, a finishing weapon (added armor damage), easier to fit and the Basic one is ridiculously good. Combat Rifle is definitely the superior weapon, RR is just the easiest to use *Get's out some popcorn and waits for Cat Merc to show up, read the thread then go into the corner to cry while petting her Gallente Assault Rifle* Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.03.12 01:12:00 - [27] - Quote preps dual lolcannon gallente commando Just you wait...
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 174	Posted - 2014.03.12 01:52:00 - [28] - Quote Any chance that post 1.8 the commando will be the goto for AV Specialists? My problem has always been that I must choose whether to gimp myself against vehicles (which might show up and dominate otherwise) or infantry (which are the more common threat). The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 163	Posted - 2014.03.12 02:11:00 - [29] - Quote Im going to use the Minnie commando with the cloak and mass driver when 1.8 drops. Lolz! This game need more vehicles! dangCCPyou'reslowpickupthepace
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 616	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:16:00 - [30] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Any chance that post 1.8 the commando will be the goto for AV Specialists? My problem has always been that I must choose whether to gimp myself against vehicles (which might show up and dominate otherwise) or infantry (which are the more common threat). Follow the way of the Forge, young padawan. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1642	Posted - 2014.03.12 08:19:00 - [31] - Quote Im hoping that the cal commando will be the best AV commando. I.E. it will get a change in bonus to hybrid rail and swarms. It makes so much sense to all the players, so I hope CCP listened to the players, including me, raising that issue. Drop it like its hat.


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