Thinking a lot about AV vs HAV and I think this kind of change would save a lot of tears and make a lot of sense.

Pre 1.7 I spent 80% of the time with the Swarm Launcher, easily my favourite weapon I would have lots of fun smoking HAV and DS and Installations and taxis. CCP brought in the hellish hyper nerf and instead of QQ I used the triple SP week to kick start my jaunt as a HAV driver and since then got a decent bunch of SP into and now drive a fully proto/complex equipped HAV and respectable skills in the hardener support buffs.

The 1.8 dev log came out, saw the nerf to damage modifiers and decided to pick up the SL for one last spin before it dies, and guess what? It still kills HAV quite nicely

Problem is ofcourse I have the SL tree nearly maxed out, using Wyrms with 4 complex dmg mods but Madrugers die easily and if you have the patience and a buddy Gunnlogis die nearly as quick.

Why the request? Any AV runner who dedicates his time to the craft will tell you, its no fun being turned into meat sauce by infantry, especially if you had your main weapons range cut in half and now you need to be put in twice the danger, after 1.8 drops and Swarms become useless against shields, who is really going to pick them up?

What am asking for is to make them more available for everybody to use, more AV on the field is a good thing and keeping the weapon viable is even better. Currently its not worth the light weapon spot as is.

Having gained a bit of experiance driving HAV I can honestly say it is my opinion HAV are balanced against AV with the exception of the god awful blaster that is broke as hell. Going 30 - 0 in an ambush is something not even worthy of mentioning as its so common and its incredibly easy to do so. If 3 - 4 guys had a SL as a backup that would cease to happen, instantly.

More guys rocking SLs as a backup means HAV would need to become more strategic assets instead of the bulldozer of infantry misery. I dare say good HAV will still be in the middle of fights and thats fine, but keep the majority of them pounding each other at extreme range doing what they are meant for. No need to change the weapon, just change the slot and make it more available.

Thinking a lot about AV vs HAV and I think this kind of change would save a lot of tears and make a lot of sense.

Pre 1.7 I spent 80% of the time with the Swarm Launcher, easily my favourite weapon I would have lots of fun smoking HAV and DS and Installations and taxis. CCP brought in the hellish hyper nerf and instead of QQ I used the triple SP week to kick start my jaunt as a HAV driver and since then got a decent bunch of SP into and now drive a fully proto/complex equipped HAV and respectable skills in the hardener support buffs.

The 1.8 dev log came out, saw the nerf to damage modifiers and decided to pick up the SL for one last spin before it dies, and guess what? It still kills HAV quite nicely

Problem is ofcourse I have the SL tree nearly maxed out, using Wyrms with 4 complex dmg mods but Madrugers die easily and if you have the patience and a buddy Gunnlogis die nearly as quick.

Why the request? Any AV runner who dedicates his time to the craft will tell you, its no fun being turned into meat sauce by infantry, especially if you had your main weapons range cut in half and now you need to be put in twice the danger, after 1.8 drops and Swarms become useless against shields, who is really going to pick them up?

What am asking for is to make them more available for everybody to use, more AV on the field is a good thing and keeping the weapon viable is even better. Currently its not worth the light weapon spot as is.

Having gained a bit of experiance driving HAV I can honestly say it is my opinion HAV are balanced against AV with the exception of the god awful blaster that is broke as hell. Going 30 - 0 in an ambush is something not even worthy of mentioning as its so common and its incredibly easy to do so. If 3 - 4 guys had a SL as a backup that would cease to happen, instantly.

More guys rocking SLs as a backup means HAV would need to become more strategic assets instead of the bulldozer of infantry misery. I dare say good HAV will still be in the middle of fights and thats fine, but keep the majority of them pounding each other at extreme range doing what they are meant for. No need to change the weapon, just change the slot and make it more available.

This is pointless, and you gotta choose, AV or AI, not both (unless you're a commando). No.

This is pointless, and you gotta choose, AV or AI, not both (unless you're a commando). No.

The 1.8 sidearms and sidearm buffs could really help. The Magsec SMG seems like it'll be awesome.

Think you missed the point of the suggestion. Currently for instance all HAV can to varies effect destroy infantry while working as AV. A FG can target whatever it likes. Swarm launchers cannot in any way target infantry, its unique in the fact its specialization is hard wired.

In a 1 vs 1 SL vs HAV now you will need to be fitted in a suicidal style and still need to land 3 - 4 volleys to ensure a kill. If your playing a well hardened opponent then even if you toss your nanohive and spam missle fire, chances are you will not be successful.

1.8 will most likely see it completely ineffective against Sica/Gunnlogi, IMO it doesnt do enough to justify being a light weapon.

Changing its slot however creates a situation where all infantry will be able to deal with vehicles on a more even keel without having to sacrifice other aspects of their overall battlefield effectiveness. A lot of people carry scanners, why not a 1 clip SL for that inevitable HAV?

SL runners get the worst deal in the entire AV vs HAV/Vehicle debate and its getting worst.

This is pointless, and you gotta choose, AV or AI, not both (unless you're a commando). No.

Commando can do the job pretty decently and as awesome the pistol is its no match for any of the 4 primary rifles, plus your fit currently needs to be very weak against all types of fire in order to make it a viable AV, my request is so the weapon is moved away from light weapon role and is more assessible to everybody in order to make up for its current/future major short commings as a primary weapon.

I've disagreed with some of your posts before, but this is the only sane post in this thread.

Just because a game has vehicles in it doesn't mean you need to equip every damn player with an AV weapon.

Hell, look at the new Magsec SMG. That thing has perfomance almost equivalent to a Rifle, and it's a sidearm. Just fit that as your sidearm on your Swarm Launcher or Plasma Cannon fits.

Problem solved.

Hell, look at the new Magsec SMG. That thing has perfomance almost equivalent to a Rifle, and it's a sidearm. Just fit that as your sidearm on your Swarm Launcher or Plasma Cannon fits.

Problem solved.

Thinking a lot about AV vs HAV and I think this kind of change would save a lot of tears and make a lot of sense.

Pre 1.7 I spent 80% of the time with the Swarm Launcher, easily my favourite weapon I would have lots of fun smoking HAV and DS and Installations and taxis. CCP brought in the hellish hyper nerf and instead of QQ I used the triple SP week to kick start my jaunt as a HAV driver and since then got a decent bunch of SP into and now drive a fully proto/complex equipped HAV and respectable skills in the hardener support buffs.

The 1.8 dev log came out, saw the nerf to damage modifiers and decided to pick up the SL for one last spin before it dies, and guess what? It still kills HAV quite nicely

Problem is ofcourse I have the SL tree nearly maxed out, using Wyrms with 4 complex dmg mods but Madrugers die easily and if you have the patience and a buddy Gunnlogis die nearly as quick.

Why the request? Any AV runner who dedicates his time to the craft will tell you, its no fun being turned into meat sauce by infantry, especially if you had your main weapons range cut in half and now you need to be put in twice the danger, after 1.8 drops and Swarms become useless against shields, who is really going to pick them up?

What am asking for is to make them more available for everybody to use, more AV on the field is a good thing and keeping the weapon viable is even better. Currently its not worth the light weapon spot as is.

Having gained a bit of experiance driving HAV I can honestly say it is my opinion HAV are balanced against AV with the exception of the god awful blaster that is broke as hell. Going 30 - 0 in an ambush is something not even worthy of mentioning as its so common and its incredibly easy to do so. If 3 - 4 guys had a SL as a backup that would cease to happen, instantly.

More guys rocking SLs as a backup means HAV would need to become more strategic assets instead of the bulldozer of infantry misery. I dare say good HAV will still be in the middle of fights and thats fine, but keep the majority of them pounding each other at extreme range doing what they are meant for. No need to change the weapon, just change the slot and make it more available.

Than why do they do it in almost every other FPS that has combined arms combat? Battlefield, Planetside? Answer: It works! The point of this is so that people who want to be AV aren't completely gimped against infantry.

Think you missed the point of the suggestion. Currently for instance all HAV can to varies effect destroy infantry while working as AV. A FG can target whatever it likes. Swarm launchers cannot in any way target infantry, its unique in the fact its specialization is hard wired.

In a 1 vs 1 SL vs HAV now you will need to be fitted in a suicidal style and still need to land 3 - 4 volleys to ensure a kill. If your playing a well hardened opponent then even if you toss your nanohive and spam missle fire, chances are you will not be successful.

1.8 will most likely see it completely ineffective against Sica/Gunnlogi, IMO it doesnt do enough to justify being a light weapon.

Changing its slot however creates a situation where all infantry will be able to deal with vehicles on a more even keel without having to sacrifice other aspects of their overall battlefield effectiveness. A lot of people carry scanners, why not a 1 clip SL for that inevitable HAV?

SL runners get the worst deal in the entire AV vs HAV/Vehicle debate and its getting worst.

ARE YOU OUTA YOUR MIND!!?!?!??!?!?!
so everyone can be a tank killer? great way to unbalance to game!!! (even more)
I much beter idea is a av sidearm( that's actually a sidearm size! not bigger then a main weapon!)