DUST Search - let's talk dust: We need proto and advanced vehicles.

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

I disagree, we need to rid ourselves of tiers all together. Tiericide is the way of the future.

Don't kid yourself, even in EvE there are T2 and T3 ships, on top of skills giving massive bonuses.

Vets will still dominate simply because we've been around longer, tericide won't stop that.

I simply don't like the idea that someone relies on better gear to supplement their skill.

It's New Eden, an MMO, improving yourself to get an upper hand is the name of the game, that's why squads exsist in Dust, it's why fleets exists in EvE, It's why we have the racial suits, and why fleet issue ships are flown.

No fight is fair in New Eden and if it looks like it is, it's a ******* trap.

I'm not against diversity among the types of gear used. I'am against how useful gear is by tier. In Dus, higher tiers are better in every single way vs lower tiers, while in EVE higher tiers merely mean the access of more variations.

I like the idea of diversity, but detest the idea of gear which is simply better in every form to those that came before it.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4943	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:15:00 - [1] - Quote Before you bite my head off at least read the thread, and if you don't I'll paddle spank you in forum PvP down below later: Currently there are two types of tanks, militia and standard, this is a problem simply because there are four types of AV, militia to proto, the AV we have now as such needs to be balanced to be in line with the current vehicles causing gear that should be decimating the vehicle it's aiming at doing negligible damage, messing with the Risk-Reward factor of vehicles and AV with the later becoming for more expensive to run with the former. With ADV and PRO vehicles the AV can be adjusted to deal with the vehicles in it's class making higher meta level AV dangerous to lower meta vehicles once again, this has the side effect of making the tanker want to fit better gear to compete therefor increasing his vehicle/mod's meta level and increasing price in doing so balancing the risk/reward on that end as well. Thoughts? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4943	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:19:00 - [2] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I disagree, we need to rid ourselves of tiers all together. Tiericide is the way of the future. Don't kid yourself, even in EvE there are T2 and T3 ships, on top of skills giving massive bonuses. Vets will still dominate simply because we've been around longer, tericide won't stop that. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4944	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:25:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I disagree, we need to rid ourselves of tiers all together. Tiericide is the way of the future. Don't kid yourself, even in EvE there are T2 and T3 ships, on top of skills giving massive bonuses. Vets will still dominate simply because we've been around longer, tericide won't stop that. I simply don't like the idea that someone relies on better gear to supplement their skill. It's New Eden, an MMO, improving yourself to get an upper hand is the name of the game, that's why squads exsist in Dust, it's why fleets exists in EvE, It's why we have the racial suits, and why fleet issue ships are flown. No fight is fair in New Eden and if it looks like it is, it's a ******* trap. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4946	Posted - 2014.03.09 07:37:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I disagree, we need to rid ourselves of tiers all together. Tiericide is the way of the future. Don't kid yourself, even in EvE there are T2 and T3 ships, on top of skills giving massive bonuses. Vets will still dominate simply because we've been around longer, tericide won't stop that. I simply don't like the idea that someone relies on better gear to supplement their skill. It's New Eden, an MMO, improving yourself to get an upper hand is the name of the game, that's why squads exsist in Dust, it's why fleets exists in EvE, It's why we have the racial suits, and why fleet issue ships are flown. No fight is fair in New Eden and if it looks like it is, it's a ******* trap. I'm not against diversity among the types of gear used. I'am against how useful gear is by tier. In Dus, higher tiers are better in every single way vs lower tiers, while in EVE higher tiers merely mean the access of more variations. I like the idea of diversity, but detest the idea of gear which is simply better in every form to those that came before it. Thing is those variations tend to be much much better then their predecessors (never fight a wolf in a rifter) even the turrets in EvE have different versions that are more powerful due to being T2, along with Ammo that can only be accessed by having T2 turrets. Even the STD and ASD are leaps and bounds apart in effectiveness dust side. I get what you're saying, but the thought that tericide is going to eliminate players having better gear on their suit do to the amount of SP/ISK is up and down misguided. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4947	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:21:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I disagree, we need to rid ourselves of tiers all together. Tiericide is the way of the future. Don't kid yourself, even in EvE there are T2 and T3 ships, on top of skills giving massive bonuses. Vets will still dominate simply because we've been around longer, tericide won't stop that. Cept those are tech 2 and tech 3 ships. Prototype is a meta level 4 tech 1. The thing I'm saying is everyone wants terricide cause they think it'll put all players on 'equal footing' but even in our mother game there are improved versions of our gear that can only be obtained with SP, along with the many bonuses given by said skills, so the thought of : terricide will put anyone on even ground, is a bit short sited in my opinion. The meta level isn't the point. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4950	Posted - 2014.03.09 09:43:00 - [6] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I didn't read the thread, only the OP. I have to say that as much as I would love proto tanks, they would be horrifying for balance. Essentially what you're advocating is that low level vehicles are unusable thanks to high level AV near-instantaneously killing them. On the other end of the scale you have tanks that newbies are literally unable to destroy. A system like this would really only work for the veteran players, unfortunately. We need a place where only certain levels of gear are allowed I think, kinda like the mechanics in FW EvE side. Basic room: only basic ADV room: only ADV Proto room: Proto (no officer) PC: Go for it. Simple in thought not so much in practice. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4967	Posted - 2014.03.10 09:21:00 - [7] - Quote bump Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4996	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:52:00 - [8] - Quote discussion is good for you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)