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Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 103	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:05:00 - [1] - Quote Judge or Bamm Who's got the better suggestion? Minmatar Freedom Fighter
Patrick57 5848	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote Me.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2863	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Intelligence is OP
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 315	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:11:00 - [4] - Quote Issue is basicaly AV only. AV is ridiclously underpowered, its nerfed to frozem hell of doomheim. Problem with HAV is AV are too nered to be a powerkicker against them and armors themselves are faster even more than rocket. Just buff AV and slow down the tanks, end of story. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
CamClarke 0uter.Heaven 37	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:12:00 - [5] - Quote Judge's railgun TTK video says everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTu_98jR8yI&index=2&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2863	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:17:00 - [6] - Quote CamClarke wrote: Judge's railgun TTK video says everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTu_98jR8yI&index=2&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ lol Hovering? Check No hardener on? Check Easy target? Check No movement after 1st hit? Check Substandard vehicle fit? Check Yea that was some pretty bad flying there im really not suprised he got shot down in a subpar vehicle Intelligence is OP
CamClarke 0uter.Heaven 38	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:45:00 - [7] - Quote You apparently failed to note that he had the video set up on purpose.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 315	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:46:00 - [8] - Quote CamClarke wrote: You apparently failed to note that he had the video set up on purpose. Check..mate XD Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:49:00 - [9] - Quote so wait Bamm likes the OP FOTM wile Judge wants a balanced game hmmm troll thread ? :/ "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1038	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:53:00 - [10] - Quote Thats why real dropships cycle hardeners. Tanks shouldn't cycle because of damage modded rails can break through in a few shots usually, but a dropship only has to worry about the first one or first two, and with cycled hardeners surviving the first two is uber easy. Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.

darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 545	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:55:00 - [11] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Thats why real dropships cycle hardeners. Tanks shouldn't cycle because of damage modded rails can break through in a few shots usually, but a dropship only has to worry about the first one or first two, and with cycled hardeners surviving the first two is uber easy. i see you fly dropships a lot, dont you? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:56:00 - [12] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: so wait Bamm likes the OP FOTM wile Judge wants a balanced game hmmm troll thread ? :/ the railtank is a hard counter to DS, if that gets nerfed then DS gets OP, a new weapon will have to be buffed to deal with that, making something else OP, a new pandoras box gets opened. the redline is the issue. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 546	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: darkiller240 wrote: so wait Bamm likes the OP FOTM wile Judge wants a balanced game hmmm troll thread ? :/ the railtank is a hard counter to DS, if that gets nerfed then DS gets OP, a new weapon will have to be buffed to deal with that, making something else OP, a new pandoras box gets opened. the redline is the issue. well no a dropship can handle 1 tank but not 2 when its distracted with one the other can easily start shooting at it also AV is balanced with dropships, well FGs are, not sure about swarms as they do kill, but they kill by making your ship do a flip "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 714	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:04:00 - [14] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: darkiller240 wrote: so wait Bamm likes the OP FOTM wile Judge wants a balanced game hmmm troll thread ? :/ the railtank is a hard counter to DS, if that gets nerfed then DS gets OP, a new weapon will have to be buffed to deal with that, making something else OP, a new pandoras box gets opened. the redline is the issue. So whats the apparent draw back to a forge gun? 99/100 I can't see them yet they can send round after round at my ADS no problem. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 169	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:06:00 - [15] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: darkiller240 wrote: so wait Bamm likes the OP FOTM wile Judge wants a balanced game hmmm troll thread ? :/ the railtank is a hard counter to DS, if that gets nerfed then DS gets OP, a new weapon will have to be buffed to deal with that, making something else OP, a new pandoras box gets opened. the redline is the issue. well no a dropship can handle 1 tank but not 2 when its distracted with one the other can easily start shooting at it also AV is balanced with dropships, well FGs are not sure about swarms as they do kill, but they kill by making your ship do a flip not arguing with that. it's all situational. if your team sux the dropship flight will probably be a short one. if the enemy tanks have pressure on them then the dropship can strike more successfully. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Scheneighnay McBob Hammerhead i Eagle Thrust 4239	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [16] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Issue is basicaly AV only. AV is ridiclously underpowered, its nerfed to frozem hell of doomheim. Problem with HAV is AV are too nered to be a powerkicker against them and armors themselves are faster even more than rocket. Just buff AV and slow down the tanks, end of story. IMO, the issue is only in active modules. insta-shields from boosters A ridiculous 60% damage resistance from hardeners If you're still low on health after that, hit nitrous and get to safety in no time at all. Shield boosters need to be reverted to how they were before Hardeners need to be nerfed down to 30% resistance Nitrous (and afterburners, for that matter) need longer cooldowns I am your scan error.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1519	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Judge has explicitly, on multiple occasions, stated that he does not want rails removed. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8025	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote Very interesting listening to judge. As an infrequent Rail Tanker, since I find the sniping style gameplay boring, I can agree with his points and feel the reduction to Rail Turret elevation is the kind of tweak this game needs to see more of as opposed to straight up damage nerfs or buffs. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2866	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:11:00 - [19] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Judge has explicitly, on multiple occasions, stated that he does not want rails removed. Hm Its why he created a 15page long thread about wanting rails removed Intelligence is OP
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 548	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:13:00 - [20] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Judge has explicitly, on multiple occasions, stated that he does not want rails removed. Hm Its why he created a 15page long thread about wanting rails removed Link please "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:14:00 - [21] - Quote yea but knowing how ccp tweaks things a railgun "tweak" won't be pretty it will be nerfed into an oversized flaylock u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2866	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:19:00 - [22] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Judge has explicitly, on multiple occasions, stated that he does not want rails removed. Hm Its why he created a 15page long thread about wanting rails removed Link please Thats gonna take a while https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130849 Intelligence is OP
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 474	Posted - 2014.03.08 23:30:00 - [23] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Well judge wants railguns removed and generally nerf vehicles so he can hover and fly in a straight line without getting shot at so i have to go bamm Frankly tho move back both spawns 1000m and redline rails or thales will not bother you unless they come out of the redline Judge has explicitly, on multiple occasions, stated that he does not want rails removed. because he'd prefer that they be castrated, he's call for just about for every nerf to rails in the videos I've seen. I agree with Bamm, Judge does correctly identify the problem but the 'solution' he proposes does nothing to fix it. Only to limit how much it affects him when he's flying a dropship. 32db Mad Bomber.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1567	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:04:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: snip...a few lies...snip Takahiro is just trolling to derail the thread. Just ignore him. While you are ignoring him read these posts where he tells similar lies, and ignores the responses and keeps on telling lies. Hes just a troll. Me correcting the troll in a previous thread Video part where i explicitly state I do not want them removed. The bit in the video where i explicitly state my view. Again where I say expliivty i do not want them nerfed too much Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10756	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: snip...a few lies...snip Takahiro is just trolling to derail the thread. Just ignore him. While you are ignoring him read these posts where he tells similar lies, and ignores the responses and keeps on telling lies. Hes just a troll. Me correcting the troll in a previous thread Video part where i explicitly state I do not want them removed. The bit in the video where i explicitly state my view. Again where I say expliivty i do not want them nerfed too much @ OP: Judge. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2869	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:10:00 - [26] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: snip...a few lies...snip Takahiro is just trolling to derail the thread. Just ignore him. While you are ignoring him read these posts where he tells similar lies, and ignores the responses and keeps on telling lies. Hes just a troll. Me correcting the troll in a previous thread Video part where i explicitly state I do not want them removed. The bit in the video where i explicitly state my view. Again where I say expliivty i do not want them nerfed too much Trolling with facts of a 17page long thread about how you want rails removed so you can hover in a straight line Intelligence is OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5474	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:52:00 - [27] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro is just trolling to derail the thread. Just ignore him. While you are ignoring him read these posts where he tells similar lies, and ignores the responses and keeps on telling lies. Hes just a troll. Me correcting the troll in a previous thread Video part where i explicitly state I do not want them removed. The bit in the video where i explicitly state my view. Again where I say expliivty i do not want them nerfed too much He is entitled to post his view, what ever that is, and I would never stop him from doing so. But he is not entitled to misrepresent my view; which is what he is knowingly doing. That will be my only responce to him on this. I do not want to derail the thread. #YouHaveBeenJudged lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3377	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:55:00 - [28] - Quote Bamm is the most sensible. I'm going with Bamm. Judge was okay with swarm nerfs just because he wanted to hover above objectives without being shot down. I can't vote for a guy that feels the swarm nerfs were cool. It's backwards Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2474	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:02:00 - [29] - Quote They're both right and wrong. Two simple changes: -Fix the redline -Make railgun tanks have to spool up every time they want to take a shot just like a forge gun. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
General John Ripper 19150	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:24:00 - [30] - Quote judge My like count = respec petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.



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