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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:34:00 -
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Not saying this is a good or bad idea, just a thought from a tired mind.
With TTK going up and PC being fixed this may be a way to burn a metric ton of isk.
Thoughts?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1987
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:40:00 -
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This would be a way to prevent anyone but the PC rich from running proto.
Might make CCP some money from AUR sales, though, so w/e. Maybe the cash will improve this game.
I think we're just going to have to deal with it for a while...
Or maybe CCP can do an asset change?
Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
166
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:42:00 -
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Or lower it down.... So that more people would use it instead of MLT poopy gear all the time...
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
191
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:43:00 -
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yes. becuase 172k isk isnt cheap enough to be running full proto gear considering average payout is 150-200k. |
Patrick57
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:46:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:Or lower it down.... So that more people would use it instead of MLT poopy gear all the time...
And then also allow people with billions of ISK to protostomp forever without any worries... |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
658
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:47:00 -
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Soldier Sorajord wrote:Or lower it down.... So that more people would use it instead of MLT poopy gear all the time...
Not going to happen. CCP stated that PROtotype gear is meant to be a sinkhole for your ISK. Meaning that if you want to run PRO, they want it so that you can't make a profit unless you just don't die more than 1-3 times per battle. etc... STD is STANDARD becaue they want it to be just that, hence ADV is advanced because it is a rank above standard... See how the naming convention kind of fits the role?
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
342
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:52:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Soldier Sorajord wrote:Or lower it down.... So that more people would use it instead of MLT poopy gear all the time... Not going to happen. CCP stated that PROtotype gear is meant to be a sinkhole for your ISK. Meaning that if you want to run PRO, they want it so that you can't make a profit unless you just don't die more than 1-3 times per battle. etc... STD is STANDARD becaue they want it to be just that, hence ADV is advanced because it is a rank above standard... See how the naming convention kind of fits the role?
An ISK sink...
For anyone outside of PC
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5420
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:01:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Soldier Sorajord wrote:Or lower it down.... So that more people would use it instead of MLT poopy gear all the time... And then also allow people with billions of ISK to protostomp forever without any worries...
They already can though. 
lolPLC
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Ecchi
1793
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:05:00 -
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No then the non PC players would never be able to afford proto.
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Darrius Smithmage
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
6
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:08:00 -
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Then people can use lp proto gear. Which means proto isk increase only effects non fw players.
So what if I roleplay calderi soldier for life! now stfu and gun for my lav.
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
205
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:16:00 -
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A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1988
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:20:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive.
MLT for 10k?
That is somewhat overpriced, considering that you sometimes make less than 50k in matches.
(Or so my ambush AFK would imply)
Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
366
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:29:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive.
I am for that if we increase the tank cost to 45 Miljon a tank =ƒÿú
War never changes
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4888
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:30:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive. I am for that if we increase the tank cost to 45 Miljon a tank =ƒÿú
or at least enough that loosing one hurts....
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
2336
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:35:00 -
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better ways to burn that PC isk imo.
Instead of flat out removing that isk from the economy we should wait until the player market is implemented. Officer and FW specialist weapon trading should help distribute that isk to non-PC players. A far better alternative than just upping the prices on things and removing that isk altogether. |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
157
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:40:00 -
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Bad idea.
The whole idea of using ISK in Dust is a bad idea anyway. Our ISK amounts to nothing but pennies in Eve, and grinding militia/BPOs in Dust.
I think your head may need examination.
Hanging up the Min Logi, going full Amarr Sentinel with HMG, Ion Pistol, and Forge Gun.
My record high KD about 47/14
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Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
187
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:21:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive. I am for that if we increase the tank cost to 45 Miljon a tank =ƒÿú or at least enough that loosing one hurts....
Losing a well fitted tank DOES hurt though. My tank is just over half a million ISK.
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Left arrowkey
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:26:00 -
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Would this mean an increase in the price of tanks also. I say this because how effective a mlt tank can be to a proto suit costing much less. |
21yrOld Knight
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
532
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:27:00 -
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Left arrowkey wrote:Would this mean an increase in the price of tanks also. I say this because how effective a mlt tank can be to a proto suit costing much less.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4891
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:28:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Martyr Saboteur wrote:A fully fitted Protosuit should cost between 4-5M ISK. Make them so expensive that even the super-rich cringe when they lose one.
Losing even a single Prototype weapon should put you in the negative for the match, regardless of how well you do... like 1M ISK for a PRO weapon.
Make Protosuits rare again.
Something like this:
Fitted MLT suit: 10k ISK
Fitted STD suit: 15K ISK
Fitted ADV suit: 75K ISK
Fitted PRO suit: 4.5M ISK because the frame itself is super expensive. I am for that if we increase the tank cost to 45 Miljon a tank =ƒÿú or at least enough that loosing one hurts.... Losing a well fitted tank DOES hurt though. My tank is just over half a million ISK.
LOL
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:29:00 -
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What? I'm poor... Lol
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4892
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:35:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:What? I'm poor... Lol
I'm sorry after running proto tanks 500k just seems so....tiny.
Edit: even besides that I can lose that dyeing 3 times in a suit.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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mollerz
2694
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:24:00 -
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They should increase the payouts. Especially for stellar performance.
A bottom rung guy making 180k while a guy with 1600+ WPs and/or over 20 kills makes 260k. Then it depends on various factors, such as what your enemy was utilizing and what not. Stelar performances should result in huge bonuses. Maybe a person's total SPs should factor in a base line payment as well?
At any rate, the pay rate is fubar and the on staff "economist" should get off his kiester and work to solve the economical problems in this game. it's been a long time since anything on that front has been changed.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10686
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Posted - 2014.03.08 08:55:00 -
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I almost feel bad for the poor people if this happened.
*goes back to ISK bath*
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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8213
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Renegade Alliance
1687
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Posted - 2014.03.08 09:28:00 -
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There are many factors to consider.
1. Player Market - With a player market someday being put into this game, Officer gear and Prototype gear will be used more often by the super rich, because they afford it. Raing the price of Prototype weapons will keep them more out ofd the hands of lower tier players, making the playerbase more polar.
2. Effectiveness Value - The price difference in prototype gear is not congruent right now its effectiveness. Should a STD weapon be able to kill a 6+ Meta level fitting? If it costs more, its effectiveness should reflect that cost.
3. Inflation - This game doesn't have an actual economy, as ISK is infinite, and right now so is the gear (except Officer). Nothing stops a player from generating as much ISK as they so desire in this game. The quantity of equipment you can purchase right now is also infinite.
4. Match Payouts - In public matches, it is impossible to run highest meta level gear and generate a profit over the long-term. The game was purposely built that way. Even PC battles a rarely short term profitable for a player, and are only long-term profitable if that corporation decides to share it's ISK with its lower members. Perhaps lowering public match payouts even more would make prototype gear more valuable?
Fish in a bucket!
Darken's Testament
SKIPPY
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5423
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:01:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:
Losing a well fitted tank DOES hurt though. My tank is just over half a million ISK.
Unless your trying your hardest to cycle your hardeners, there is no reason for a fitted HAV to cost 500k.
All modules are tiericided, and (for the most part) wield the same effects ac cross all of them (STD/ADV/PRO).
You could fit your HAV with all STD modules (and an ADV Turret) for 200k, and do just as well.
Here's one of my fittings
lolPLC
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
1843
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Christiphoros von Poe wrote:
Losing a well fitted tank DOES hurt though. My tank is just over half a million ISK.
Unless your trying your hardest to cycle your hardeners, there is no reason for a fitted HAV to cost 500k. All modules are tiericided, and (for the most part) wield the same effects ac cross all of them (STD/ADV/PRO). You could fit your HAV with all STD modules (and an ADV Turret) for 200k, and do just as well. Here's one of my fittings
Your link doesn't work and I was going to dissect your fit and call you out for all the mistakes you made.
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The Answer is NO!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
5423
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:15:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Christiphoros von Poe wrote:
Losing a well fitted tank DOES hurt though. My tank is just over half a million ISK.
Unless your trying your hardest to cycle your hardeners, there is no reason for a fitted HAV to cost 500k. All modules are tiericided, and (for the most part) wield the same effects ac cross all of them (STD/ADV/PRO). You could fit your HAV with all STD modules (and an ADV Turret) for 200k, and do just as well. Here's one of my fittings Your link doesn't work and I was going to dissect your fit and call you out for all the mistakes you made.
Seems to work for me.
Try this one:
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/1/373
lolPLC
[s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:17:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Not saying this is a good or bad idea, just a thought from a tired mind.
With TTK going up and PC being fixed this may be a way to burn a metric ton of isk.
Thoughts?
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1.8 will release...
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The Terminator T-1000
Skynet Incorporated
186
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Posted - 2014.03.08 15:25:00 -
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I don't play PC so I don't have tons of ISK if I can't afford pro to gear, why even get SP? |
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