DUST Search - Why can't tanks just be another dropsuit?

Charlotte O'Dell wrote:

If you hate long posts, read this in bold and then continue trolling:

Poopsonkid3: "They called in a blaster madrugar and it's giggling at Romeom88D's forge gun!"
Romeom88D: "It's tearing us apart from the front! Someone call in a Glass Cannon!"
Sgt P0Op: "I'm on it! Gunlogi inbound 15 seconds!"
Romeom88D: "Roger!"
Sgt P0OP: "Damage mods active......tank is down. lolz....OH NO A SWARM LAUNCHER! I'm hit! Oh my god I'm hit! Activating booster...sigh... :)"
Poopsonkid3: "Gunship inbound! Get out of there!"
*PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM SPLODE!*
-aRnoldThickCCck1997 [Python - XT-01] Sgt P0OP-
Romeom88D: "I'll avenage you! FORGE GUN FORGE GUN FORGE GUN -_-"
-Romeom88D [Forge Gun] aRnoldThickCCck1997-

thx for that insightful glance into your yery confused mind as I say to every post asking ccp to make players solo tank slaying gods.. ITS A TANK ITS SUPPOST TO BE HARD AS **** TO KILL, and 2nd my tanks get killed by av all the time. and I don't even go into main area! you just need to work together with other players to take it down.(unlees you maxed out proto forgeguner)

and as to trying to take away what pg cpu or slots we have, I guess you were not around in beta, tanks use to be WAY MORE POWERFUL! then ccp toke away our CPU and PG making them the jokes we see today the only thing new these days is the fact that AV got nerfed

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8213 Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 1684	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:39:00 - [31] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Can we please just say what we never thought we wanted to say? We want 1.6 back. We want 1.6, with these costs back. Give it up. I liked 1.6 everything about tanks. It was a skill back then. Not just a crutch to a build. But of course, I was called stupid when I said the 1.7 tank buff / AV nerf was a terrible idea. We're going into 1.8 and we are still complaining about tank issues (although not nearly as much) and I have a feeling 1.8 will make it even worse with the damage mod nerf which finally crush AV out of the picture once and for all. Fish in a bucket! Darken's Testament SKIPPY
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 329	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:50:00 - [32] - Quote +1 for thinking out of the box and trying not to be biased, i'm tired of these sterile thread where peep defend toes and nail their playstyle, even when they know it's totally unbalanced, this game needs to evolve and it's community also, in the end all we want is the same thing, that dust become a better game Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 162	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:55:00 - [33] - Quote Just curious, get out of their what? Their way? Their face?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 658	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:56:00 - [34] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Post too long to quote If tanks, under your model, can be taken out in the same time as another suit, you have a few things that you have not addressed. 1. Engagement values. With suits, you can have an exclusive 1v1 fight anywhere on the map at any time. Tanks are too large for this, and will always have 5+ players looking and tracking it's movement at any time. Tanks cannot engage in 1v1 unless the target is winging off alone someplace for an unknown reason, or is a sniper etc.. Tanks announce their positions, suits do not. Tanks can be seen from the map at any time, suits can only be seen when moving out in the open. 2. Ambush-- not the game mode-- This means that tanks will literally be unable to go anywhere on the map. A Person with AV can then pop out of any corner they desire, to the side, behind, or above, the tank and claim a near instant kill, all the while the tank has no value of where or when the attack is happening. --AV can hide behind objects and move through tight spaces to ambush, and all a tank can do is rumble loudly, announce it's position, and hope they have the turret pointed in the correct direction. 3.This would create a constant-fear scenario where the only tankers who can survive are those who stay back, out of the combat area. AKA blaster tanks would be a thing of the past, and railguns would be the prominent weapon system. In fact, if you were trying to keep this death timer for kills balanced, they would have to increase the splash radius and damage from splash by railguns, so that they could effectively do the same thing to infantry that infantry can do to tanks. AKA Tanks have a large hitbox, and infantry have a small one, so weapons for tanks would need large splash, and infantry splash very small. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4942	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:56:00 - [35] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Sgt P0OP Hmmmmm *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4942	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:58:00 - [36] - Quote It is a requirement to have long ass post to be in Fatal Absolution. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 12	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:31:00 - [37] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If you hate long posts, read this in bold and then continue trolling: Poopsonkid3: "They called in a blaster madrugar and it's giggling at Romeom88D's forge gun!" Romeom88D: "It's tearing us apart from the front! Someone call in a Glass Cannon!" Sgt P0Op: "I'm on it! Gunlogi inbound 15 seconds!" Romeom88D: "Roger!" Sgt P0OP: "Damage mods active......tank is down. lolz....OH NO A SWARM LAUNCHER! I'm hit! Oh my god I'm hit! Activating booster...sigh... :)" Poopsonkid3: "Gunship inbound! Get out of there!" PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM SPLODE! -aRnoldThickCCck1997 [Python - XT-01] Sgt P0OP- Romeom88D: "I'll avenage you! FORGE GUN FORGE GUN FORGE GUN -_-" -Romeom88D [Forge Gun] aRnoldThickCCck1997- thx for that insightful glance into your yery confused mind as I say to every post asking ccp to make players solo tank slaying gods.. ITS A TANK ITS SUPPOST TO BE HARD AS **** TO KILL, and 2nd my tanks get killed by av all the time. and I don't even go into main area! you just need to work together with other players to take it down.(unlees you maxed out proto forgeguner) and as to trying to take away what pg cpu or slots we have, I guess you were not around in beta, tanks use to be WAY MORE POWERFUL! then ccp toke away our CPU and PG making them the jokes we see today the only thing new these days is the fact that AV got nerfed Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 12	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:34:00 - [38] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If you hate long posts, read this in bold and then continue trolling: Poopsonkid3: "They called in a blaster madrugar and it's giggling at Romeom88D's forge gun!" Romeom88D: "It's tearing us apart from the front! Someone call in a Glass Cannon!" Sgt P0Op: "I'm on it! Gunlogi inbound 15 seconds!" Romeom88D: "Roger!" Sgt P0OP: "Damage mods active......tank is down. lolz....OH NO A SWARM LAUNCHER! I'm hit! Oh my god I'm hit! Activating booster...sigh... :)" Poopsonkid3: "Gunship inbound! Get out of there!" PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM SPLODE! -aRnoldThickCCck1997 [Python - XT-01] Sgt P0OP- Romeom88D: "I'll avenage you! FORGE GUN FORGE GUN FORGE GUN -_-" -Romeom88D [Forge Gun] aRnoldThickCCck1997- CONT..... thx for that insiteful glance into your yery confused mind as I say to every post asking ccp to make players solo tank slaying gods.. ITS A TANK ITS SUPPOST TO BE HARD AS **** TO KILL, and 2nd my tanks get killed by av all the time. and I don't even go into main area! you just need to work together with other players to take it down.(unlees you maxed out proto forgeguner) and as to trying to take away what pg cpu or slots we have, I guess you were not around in beta, tanks use to be WAY MORE POWERFUL! then ccp toke away our CPU and PG making them the jokes we see today the only thing new these days is the fact that AV got nerfed Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 12	Posted - 2014.03.08 09:35:00 - [39] - Quote Hagintora wrote: I think O'Dell has the right idea here, though I'm not sure about the implementation, I'll leave that to others more knowledgeable than I. Vehicles need to be thought of in terms of Dropsuits, not be their own special category. If you think in these terms it becomes a little easier to balance, because you no longer say "but it's a Tank!", because you realize that it's just the next step up in the Dropsuit size scale. Light Frame Dropsuits Medium Frame Dropsuits Heavy Frame Dropsuits Light Frame Vehicles Medium Frame Vehicles Heavy Frame Vehicles So a general example of HP spread would be something like this; if Light Frames had 100 HP's, then Medium Frames would have 200, Heavy Frames-300, LAV's-400, MAV's-500, HAV's-600. I think we would be better served if we thought in these terms, and I would bet that it wouldn't take more than a week for someone to come up with a balance that most would agree to. if a tank was a dropsuit it would be called a mech Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2856	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:18:00 - [40] - Quote If i wanted a tank to be a dropsuit i wouldnt have skilled into tanks and just skilled into more dropsuits lolno hardeners? seriously? so my proto FG will completely dominate all vehicles and its even worse than pre 1.7 because you cannot defend yourself and less modules again 10seconds? we had that pre 1.7 and i remember you complaining that they were useless and they are for 10seconds For the cost you might aswell run a dropsuit How would the AI tank last longer than the AV tank? It wouldnt Everything dies in 3 seconds? so why bother using a tank? Tank and DS have same EHP, so they now both useless Shields - We already have fast regen and boosters which can nearly boost back to full shields, hardener is useless tho since it your world it lasts for 10seconds so it it hard once and wait 10seconds then kill it Turret mods - 8k dmg, you know infantry would cry about redline rails more and also others Stealth - Im suprised you allow us o move while cloaked, radar is funny swarms wont like that Mobility - infantry will hate that mod but your prob dead before you get to use it Armor - We used to have better plates Scanners - we have that now mostly So proto vehicles are now the std vehicles we have now, less slots less everything less mods so less variations What the ** are you smoking? I just wasted my time reading this and its full of ** ideas and ways to kill off vehicles altogether to turn it into COD 514 space edition Intelligence is OP

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1843	Posted - 2014.03.08 14:54:00 - [41] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It is a requirement to have long ass post to be in Fatal Absolution. Zatara is the long post master he had a thread where the first 3-4 posts was his conversation with CUBS only Arekna's armor thing might have been longer. It doesn't matter what the Question is... The Answer is NO! Team carry Prof. IV
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 64	Posted - 2014.03.08 16:17:00 - [42] - Quote 8213 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Can we please just say what we never thought we wanted to say? We want 1.6 back. We want 1.6, with these costs back. Give it up. I liked 1.6 everything about tanks. It was a skill back then. Not just a crutch to a build. But of course, I was called stupid when I said the 1.7 tank buff / AV nerf was a terrible idea. We're going into 1.8 and we are still complaining about tank issues (although not nearly as much) and I have a feeling 1.8 will make it even worse with the damage mod nerf which finally crush AV out of the picture once and for all. Buffing tanks/nerfing AV wasn't a terrible idea, CCP just completely screwed it up. Swarms were horribly broken and need about 10% damage off, as did AV nades, and shield tanks needed to be able to compete with armor tanks(longer hardener duration?). G0DS AM0NG MEN Director - Fully Support a Respec for 1.8
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1942	Posted - 2014.03.09 00:19:00 - [43] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: 8213 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Can we please just say what we never thought we wanted to say? We want 1.6 back. We want 1.6, with these costs back. Give it up. I liked 1.6 everything about tanks. It was a skill back then. Not just a crutch to a build. But of course, I was called stupid when I said the 1.7 tank buff / AV nerf was a terrible idea. We're going into 1.8 and we are still complaining about tank issues (although not nearly as much) and I have a feeling 1.8 will make it even worse with the damage mod nerf which finally crush AV out of the picture once and for all. Buffing tanks/nerfing AV wasn't a terrible idea, CCP just completely screwed it up. Swarms were horribly broken and need about 10% damage off, as did AV nades, and shield tanks needed to be able to compete with armor tanks(longer hardener duration?). I think boosters needed a buff, and of course swarms and nades. This overhaul did much more harm then good in my opinion. HAVs just needed a price slash to make them good enough to be left for a patch or two, but they decided to go overkill and ended up breaking it. Severely. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.


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