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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:43:00 -
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Hey there, previously I've made 2 threads on this topic, but perhaps I was wrong in putting them in the general discussion area rather than in here.
You can find the threads here and here.
Anyways, I'll reiterate and summarize my thoughts here in order to gain a bit more visibility and hopefully get the problem recognized and assessed by a developer.
The Breach AR has for a very long time been a very impotent weapon in Dust and it has only been overshadowed even more by the implementation of the CR and RR. Let me put in a quick column of data to showcase it.
Breach AR
400 RPM
51 Damage per Bullet
36 Clip Size
340 DPS Proto = 374
Assault Rifle
750 RPM
34 Damage per Bullet
60 Clip Size
425 DPS
Rail Rifle
461.54 RPM
55 Damage per bullet
42 Clip Size
423 DPS
Assault Rail Rifle
600 RPM
45.04 Damage per Bullet
42 Clip Size
456 DPS
Assault Scrambler Rifle
705.88 RPM
36 Damage per Bullet
72 Clip Size
423 DPS
Assault Combat Rifle
1200 RPM
22 Damage per Bullet
68 Clip Size
440 DPS
So we can basically see that the Breach AR is a Rail Rifle with worse stats in every way.
It's less accurate
It does less damage per bullet
It fires slower
It has less range
It has a smaller clip capacity
The Rail Rifle puts out 25% more DPS overall
It just is completely outclasses by every other weapon. Let's look at the new DPS values after their nerfs of the weapons in 1.8.
BAR = 300 Proto = 330
AR = 375
RR = 361
ARR = 374
AScR = 382
ACR = 400
And we can't forget the two new assault sidearms.
Mag = 355.5
BP = 540
And both have better optimals than the Breach AR
The prototype CreoDron Breach AR will put out 330 DPS.
Even at the prototype level, the Breach AR will put out the worst DPS values versus any basic assault weapon in the game including the sidearms at ranges that tie for the worst with the basic assault rifle. (ok, it gets one meter better optimal, big whoop)
Each weapon in the game should have pros and cons, but right now very literally the only pro for the Breach is that it feels good to kill someone and know they feel shame at actually dying to a Breach AR.
It has the slowest ROF of any assault weapon in the game
It has the lowest clip size of any assault weapon in the game
It is a harder to fit variant
It is a more expensive variant
It has nearly the lowest range of any assault weapon in the game
It has the worst raw DPS of any assault weapon in the game by a margin of 25% +
But here's my suggestion: let's plug the original stats back into that list there.
BAR = 340 Proto = 374
AR = 375
RR = 361
ARR = 374
AScR = 382
ACR = 400
Mag = 355.5
BP = 540
These numbers look leaps and bounds better.
It is now still the lowest base DPS assault weapon in the game, but now at least it's only by a margin of 6%+
So by keeping the values we have now, it would be nearly in line with the other light assaults, and it would actually have a pro to use:
It would have the highest per shot value. Yay, a reason to use a different weapon and add some diversity to the killfeed.
And it's not like the prototype would scale to become anything uber; at 374 DPS it would still only put out better DPS than a basic RR and would be worse than or equal to all the other basic weapons.
So, here's the math. I'd like to hear your thoughts, especially yours CCP.
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Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:52:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Wait... Isn't the breach MORE accurate then the Standard assault?
Just saying.
Yes, by 1% it is more accurate than the regular assault rifle, but I was comparing it to the rail rife which it more closely resembles in my bit about accuracy. It it less accurate than the Rail Rifle, Assault Rail Rifle, Assault Combat Rifle, and the Assault Scrambler Rifle. |
Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.03.14 23:21:00 -
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#SaveTheBreach |
Daddrobit
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Posted - 2014.03.15 16:22:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Breach AR still has normal AR amounts of ammo.
This allows you to last longer without resupplying- albeit at the risk of dying more easily. However this still means you can be good with it.
Lower recoil than hipfire RR: what people don't get is the RR has to be aimed down sights for anything past 10m, as the kick 'kicks' in after the 7th shot. BAR has similar hipfire, but recoil doesn't begin until the 18th or so shot.
What are you talking about having the same amount of ammo? It only has 36 in the clip and has the lowest damage per clip potential of the assault weapons with the exception of the ACR.
Total? So what, good luck lasting long enough to resupply as you get popped by a RR 20 meters out of your optimal while he's still applying full damage.
And if you're hipfiring the Breach past 10 meters, you're doing it wrong. People will dance through every shot you toss in their direction the ROF is so bad if they try even a little to strafe. You -need- to be ADS with this gun as much as possible to make sure you can apply as much damage as possible because of that low clip potential. |
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