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HYENAKILLER X wrote:

But scouts are gonna be fotm?

I lol at that so hard. Here's why:

Scanner nerf now means anything under 28 Db walks unnoticed unless its the duvolle Focused which picks up 20 db. 2 advanced profile dampners at lvl 4 proficiency gets under 28 db. 1 scanner picks that up and its 46 cpu/6 pg. The profile dampner is a low slot item.the proto Gallente assault has 4 low slots. So do proto scouts.

Precision enhancers are high slot modules. You need full proficiency at precision enhancers and 2 complex precision enhancers equipped on a proto scout to catch an assault suit with 2 advanced profile dampners in 1.8. I Believ only the minmatar proto will be able to pick that up with complex precision enhancers.

So a minmatar scout with 2 low slots used for profile dampening and 2 high for procission enhancers is even worth playing?

my proto gal assault has 3 highs, 4 lows with +2 armor regen in 1.8. You mean to tell me that:

1complex feralscale plate
1 enhanced armor plate
2 enhanced profile dampners
1 complex sheild exstender
2 complex damage mods
and a Boundless combat rifle with 12 pg and 46 cpu remaining(while running 6.79 with movemeny speed of 4.85).

What scout comes close to that when I got 689 total hp?

Maybe not the best ambush fit(unless running solo) but it is amazing in skirminsh.

Go 3x damage mods you still have 600 hp......while basically invisible with a boundless.

HOW THE HELL DO YOU TAKE A PROTO SCOUT OVER THAT?

I havent even thought of kin kats yet.

Seriously.......if you cant get the jump on a heavy and win with that....i dont know what to tell you.

There's 1 Major flaw in your entire argument. If I wanted to (I will probably never do this) I could take my proto gallente scout with 2 highs and 4 lows and put 2 complex shield extenders and 4 enhanced plates, a proto weapon, a proto/advance sidearm, and still have 2 equipment slots to fit stuff in all while having around 700 EHP or possibly more.... and still run faster and beat all but 1 scanner.... Thats why!!! lol

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HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:49:00 - [1] - Quote But scouts are gonna be fotm? I lol at that so hard. Here's why: Scanner nerf now means anything under 28 Db walks unnoticed unless its the duvolle Focused which picks up 20 db. 2 advanced profile dampners at lvl 4 proficiency gets under 28 db. 1 scanner picks that up and its 46 cpu/6 pg. The profile dampner is a low slot item.the proto Gallente assault has 4 low slots. So do proto scouts. Precision enhancers are high slot modules. You need full proficiency at precision enhancers and 2 complex precision enhancers equipped on a proto scout to catch an assault suit with 2 advanced profile dampners in 1.8. I Believ only the minmatar proto will be able to pick that up with complex precision enhancers. So a minmatar scout with 2 low slots used for profile dampening and 2 high for procission enhancers is even worth playing? my proto gal assault has 3 highs, 4 lows with +2 armor regen in 1.8. You mean to tell me that: 1complex feralscale plate 1 enhanced armor plate 2 enhanced profile dampners 1 complex sheild exstender 2 complex damage mods and a Boundless combat rifle with 12 pg and 46 cpu remaining(while running 6.79 with movemeny speed of 4.85). What scout comes close to that when I got 689 total hp? Maybe not the best ambush fit(unless running solo) but it is amazing in skirminsh. Go 3x damage mods you still have 600 hp......while basically invisible with a boundless. HOW THE HELL DO YOU TAKE A PROTO SCOUT OVER THAT? I havent even thought of kin kats yet. Seriously.......if you cant get the jump on a heavy and win with that....i dont know what to tell you. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 236	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:53:00 - [2] - Quote So yea, a gal scout has a better slot layout and better innate armor rep than the gal assault along with the various other stats. The short work of not fixing the medium frames this build is glaringly obvious...nonetheless I want a bonus to the Ion pistol, I look forward to it. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2331	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:00:00 - [3] - Quote Logis are the real winners in the scanning war - same precision as scouts and enough slots/fittings room to fit the precision enhancers and dampeners to out-scout most scouts. Okay, so they won't get their precision as low as caldari scouts and they won't get their profiles as low as gallente scouts but they can do both at the same time to enough of a level to be invisible to the gallente and pick up the caldari and have plenty of slots left over! Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:01:00 - [4] - Quote Kaughst wrote: So yea, a gal scout has a better slot layout and better innate armor rep than the gal assault along with the various other stats. The short work of not fixing the medium frames this build is glaringly obvious...nonetheless I want a bonus to the Ion pistol, I look forward to it. It what? What stats are you reading? Gal proto scout has 2 high 4 low. Thats 1 less high, 200 less hp and only .52 more speed....if equipped with ferral scale. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:04:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: But scouts are gonna be fotm? I lol at that so hard. Here's why: Scanner nerf now means anything under 28 Db walks unnoticed unless its the duvolle Focused which picks up 20 db. 2 advanced profile dampners at lvl 4 proficiency gets under 28 db. 1 scanner picks that up and its 46 cpu/6 pg. The profile dampner is a low slot item.the proto Gallente assault has 4 low slots. So do proto scouts. Precision enhancers are high slot modules. You need full proficiency at precision enhancers and 2 complex precision enhancers equipped on a proto scout to catch an assault suit with 2 advanced profile dampners in 1.8. I Believ only the minmatar proto will be able to pick that up with complex precision enhancers. So a minmatar scout with 2 low slots used for profile dampening and 2 high for procission enhancers is even worth playing? my proto gal assault has 3 highs, 4 lows with +2 armor regen in 1.8. You mean to tell me that: 1complex feralscale plate 1 enhanced armor plate 2 enhanced profile dampners 1 complex sheild exstender 2 complex damage mods and a Boundless combat rifle with 12 pg and 46 cpu remaining(while running 6.79 with movemeny speed of 4.85). What scout comes close to that when I got 689 total hp? Maybe not the best ambush fit(unless running solo) but it is amazing in skirminsh. Go 3x damage mods you still have 600 hp......while basically invisible with a boundless. HOW THE HELL DO YOU TAKE A PROTO SCOUT OVER THAT? I havent even thought of kin kats yet. Seriously.......if you cant get the jump on a heavy and win with that....i dont know what to tell you. There's 1 Major flaw in your entire argument. If I wanted to (I will probably never do this) I could take my proto gallente scout with 2 highs and 4 lows and put 2 complex shield extenders and 4 enhanced plates, a proto weapon, a proto/advance sidearm, and still have 2 equipment slots to fit stuff in all while having around 700 EHP or possibly more.... and still run faster and beat all but 1 scanner.... Thats why!!! lol
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 342	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:04:00 - [6] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Kaughst wrote: So yea, a gal scout has a better slot layout and better innate armor rep than the gal assault along with the various other stats. The short work of not fixing the medium frames this build is glaringly obvious...nonetheless I want a bonus to the Ion pistol, I look forward to it. It what? What stats are you reading? Gal proto scout has 2 high 4 low. Thats 1 less high, 200 less hp and only .52 more speed....if equipped with ferral scale. It's FERROscale, not feral scale. Reading isn't that hard unless you're dyslexic.
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 236	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:08:00 - [7] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Kaughst wrote: So yea, a gal scout has a better slot layout and better innate armor rep than the gal assault along with the various other stats. The short work of not fixing the medium frames this build is glaringly obvious...nonetheless I want a bonus to the Ion pistol, I look forward to it. It what? What stats are you reading? Gal proto scout has 2 high 4 low. Thats 1 less high, 200 less hp and only .52 more speed....if equipped with ferral scale. It's FERROscale, not feral scale. Reading isn't that hard unless you're dyslexic. I eat all the time though! .-. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:08:00 - [8] - Quote 700 hp vs 684 with 3 complex dmg mods? Im still going gal assault before ANY scout. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:19:00 - [9] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: 700 hp vs 684 with 3 complex dmg mods? Im still going gal assault before ANY scout. Most scouts don't need more HP, we'll be running speed mods, cloak, and damps with high alpha dmg weapons like shotgun and NK. Your point is still invalid comparing the two...but hey if you want to run a gimped assault fit to play as a loosely based scout be my guest.
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:30:00 - [10] - Quote Gimped suit? nova knives are noble weapons. Im never mad when they kill me. Its a true skill/tactical weapon. BUT SERIOUSLY....maybe 5 guys can actually use them. And shotties are grwat untill you are spotted, then its all about range and dps. Ive killed MANY scouts today. Reality is gal assaults do 90% of scout work better. it May not satisfy niche scout types looking to be ninjas but the gal assault Over all is better than any scout suit period. +2 armor regen. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:49:00 - [11] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Gimped suit? nova knives are noble weapons. Im never mad when they kill me. Its a true skill/tactical weapon. BUT SERIOUSLY....maybe 5 guys can actually use them. And shotties are grwat untill you are spotted, then its all about range and dps. Ive killed MANY scouts today. Reality is gal assaults do 90% of scout work better. it May not satisfy niche scout types looking to be ninjas but the gal assault Over all is better than any scout suit period. +2 armor regen. I have to disagree, I run my scout 100% of the time and you can't have speed, stealth, and mobility all at the same time with any assault suit. Plus the shotgun received a buff with the proficiency changes and with the cloak, range becomes a non issue. Also gallente scout gets 3 innate armor reps now.
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:01:00 - [12] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Gimped suit? nova knives are noble weapons. Im never mad when they kill me. Its a true skill/tactical weapon. BUT SERIOUSLY....maybe 5 guys can actually use them. And shotties are grwat untill you are spotted, then its all about range and dps. Ive killed MANY scouts today. Reality is gal assaults do 90% of scout work better. it May not satisfy niche scout types looking to be ninjas but the gal assault Over all is better than any scout suit period. +2 armor regen. I have to disagree, I run my scout 100% of the time and you can't have speed, stealth, and mobility all at the same time with any assault suit. Plus the shotgun received a buff with the proficiency changes and with the cloak, range becomes a non issue. Also gallente scout gets 3 innate armor reps now. So 3x complex damage mods with boundless cr, and 27 db with +2 armor rep and 600 hp and 6.93 speed deserves less respect? Gal assault beats scouts in everything over all but speed, 1 equipment slot and bonus prefference. Ide take a boundless cr with 3 x damage modsover a shotty any day. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 110	Posted - 2014.03.07 12:27:00 - [13] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: my proto gal assault has 3 highs, 4 lows with +2 armor regen in 1.8. You mean to tell me that: 1complex feralscale plate 1 enhanced armor plate 2 enhanced profile dampners 1 complex sheild exstender 2 complex damage mods and a Boundless combat rifle with 12 pg and 46 cpu remaining(while running 6.79 with movemeny speed of 4.85). What scout comes close to that when I got 689 total hp? Maybe not the best ambush fit(unless running solo) but it is amazing in skirminsh. Go 3x damage mods you still have 600 hp......while basically invisible with a boundless. HOW THE HELL DO YOU TAKE A PROTO SCOUT OVER THAT? I havent even thought of kin kats yet. Seriously.......if you cant get the jump on a heavy and win with that....i dont know what to tell you. Well, hereGÇÖs a hypothetical fit for you that would walk all over your example: Scout gk.0, 2 x complex shield extenders, complex armour repair, 2 x enhanced armour plates, basic dampener, ACR, Kaalakiota Magsec, Flux grenade, Duvolle Focused scanner and K-2 nanohive Shield 232.70 Armour 404.50 EHP 637.20 Armour repair 9.50 Shield regen 30 Movement 5.15 Sprint 7.57 You can only scan this suit with the Duvolle scanner, and thereGÇÖs no way you can fit one on your suit. ItGÇÖs faster, both with movement and sprint. It has 50HP less than you but has better armour and shield repair. And are you saying you donGÇÖt have a sidearm or equipment fitted to that suit of yours? This scout has the Duvolle scanner that you cannot hope to evade as well as ADV hive. I would take the scout any day over the assault. Especially considering running damage mods in 1.8 is nowhere near as effective as it is now. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1096	Posted - 2014.03.07 12:36:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Kaughst wrote: So yea, a gal scout has a better slot layout and better innate armor rep than the gal assault along with the various other stats. The short work of not fixing the medium frames this build is glaringly obvious...nonetheless I want a bonus to the Ion pistol, I look forward to it. It what? What stats are you reading? Gal proto scout has 2 high 4 low. Thats 1 less high, 200 less hp and only .52 more speed....if equipped with ferral scale. It's FERROscale, not feral scale. Reading isn't that hard unless you're dyslexic. Some people are, Douche... CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.03.07 12:49:00 - [15] - Quote STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: 700 hp vs 684 with 3 complex dmg mods? Im still going gal assault before ANY scout. Most scouts don't need more HP, we'll be running speed mods, cloak, and damps with high alpha dmg weapons like shotgun and NK. Your point is still invalid comparing the two...but hey if you want to run a gimped assault fit to play as a loosely based scout be my guest. Caldari scout, what os a good scout fit? No precision enhancers as its not a pure scout hunter
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1216	Posted - 2014.03.07 13:43:00 - [16] - Quote Just a correction you need 2 complex profile dampeners to beat 28 db on medium suits, even though they don't say there is a stacking penalty there is. I've tested it with a corpmate I tried different combos, 1 complex + 1 enhanced, 2 enhanced, but the only combo that beat 28 db was 2 complex. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 656	Posted - 2014.03.07 20:40:00 - [17] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Just a correction you need 2 complex profile dampeners to beat 28 db on medium suits, even though they don't say there is a stacking penalty there is. I've tested it with a corpmate I tried different combos, 1 complex + 1 enhanced, 2 enhanced, but the only combo that beat 28 db was 2 complex. There is room for 2 complex profile dampeners. Thats 18 more cpu. also the gal assault does a better job at sheild tanking with 3 high slots. So 1 enhanced armor plate, 1 complex ferascale plate gives me 4 points per second armor repair along with 800 hp total with 3 complex sheilds under 28 db with proto weapon. But lets be real. This event showed us the future to come. Heavy noobs everywhere. you need dps. Im going 3x complex damage mods, boundless cr, 1 enhanced plate, 1 ferrascale plate and 2 x complex profile dampners. + 4 armor rep. 650 hp and close to the best dps with under 28 db. No scout offers that. Speed id still around 6.7. If I want a speed build I have all the slots I need. No way imo are scouts worth the sp with gal proto assault out there. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.


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