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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5392	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote You guys concerned about the Damage Modifier and AV Grenade nerf? Wondering if they are going to fix vehicles? Well I've got news for you. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There are no plans for the patch on changing vehicles, however we can continue to discuss possible changes via hotfixes afterwards. Straight from the "DevHangout" channel. -HAND lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1831	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:21:00 - [2] - Quote Your **** posting needs leveling 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 772	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:26:00 - [3] - Quote Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait...
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1458	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:26:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: You guys concerned about the Damage Modifier and AV Grenade nerf? Wondering if they are going to fix vehicles? Well I've got news for you. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There are no plans for the patch on changing vehicles, however we can continue to discuss possible changes via hotfixes afterwards. Straight from the "DevHangout" channel. -HAND so after 3 months of data collecting, they have determined that current tank-AV balance is Working As Intended? Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7953	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:27:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: You guys concerned about the Damage Modifier and AV Grenade nerf? Wondering if they are going to fix vehicles? Well I've got news for you. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There are no plans for the patch on changing vehicles, however we can continue to discuss possible changes via hotfixes afterwards. Straight from the "DevHangout" channel. -HAND Tanker proceed to face palm through his own head!....Good god I want to go back to when tanking required skill... "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1832	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:40:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 172	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:40:00 - [7] - Quote Dump ALL the SP's into HAV!!! not talking about a SP refund just the points I saved for a rainy day, pff of course there SHOULD be a refund but it's ccp we're about here ad hoc Even if hotfixes are the only thing that might be in store for vehicles, we have yet to see how much the feedback pushes them to change little things and luckily, maybe, they'll break them just the way vehicles constantly falling thru the map or spontaneously xploding makes bpo only vehicles viable. This might not be the update we expected, or contributed feedback for, but it sure looks like it's gonna be crazy. Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!! Lucky Number 29
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2552	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:49:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. True, you can't nerf MLT tanks cause then we have less options to deal with tanks and only stands to make maddys and Gunnys harder to kill. Tanks need tweaking, not nerfing. Honestly, it's the mods themselves and they way they fit that makes it a problem. Not to mention, most AV is garbage. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 701	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:54:00 - [9] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. 2 simple solutions that wouldn't make it worse. 1. Slow down tanks 2. Buff prox mines. Tanks can't just run away any more so they are more cautious entering combat and will likely leave earlier because they can't just truck over prox mines with no worries and will still catch a few FG rounds up the tailpipe along the way. CCP your matchmaking still sucks. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1460	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:59:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. True, you can't nerf MLT tanks cause then we have less options to deal with tanks and only stands to make maddys and Gunnys harder to kill. Tanks need tweaking, not nerfing. Honestly, it's the mods themselves and they way they fit that makes it a problem. Not to mention, most AV is garbage. This makes it doubly tricky though- dropships rely on the same set of modules, and they're in a pretty good place balance-wise (except lolrails). Ditto AV- buff it too much to deal with HAVs, and suddenly LAVs and dropships are useless coffins. Respec in 1.8 due to huge battlefield role shift for MinLogi! All my posts are respec posts (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ LockmeBro!

Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 1956	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:04:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: so after 3 months of data collecting, they have determined that current tank-AV balance is Working As Intended? Not quite. After 3 months of data collecting, they have determined that current tank-AV balanced needed an indirect AV nerf. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 811	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:04:00 - [12] - Quote Jack Kittinger wrote: This might not be the update we expected, or contributed feedback for, but it sure looks like it's gonna be crazy. That's beautiful, man. That statement compresses it into a condensed cube of purest truth and puts it in a nutshell. Munch Minmatar Patriot (Level 7) Dedicated Sniper
Soldier Sorajord Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:05:00 - [13] - Quote AKA they might tune some things but they won't have any big nerfs or boosts. Click Here to set up a Character that will get an AR, SMG, and a Caldari BPO
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1927	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:06:00 - [14] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. 2 simple solutions that wouldn't make it worse. 1. Slow down tanks 2. Buff prox mines. Tanks can't just run away any more so they are more cautious entering combat and will likely leave earlier because they can't just truck over prox mines with no worries and will still catch a few FG rounds up the tailpipe along the way. Remove sound from Proxis. Make them blow up faster. Give REs/Proxis X2 damage to vehicles My opinion on how RE and RE variants can be made AV worthy. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2025	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:35:00 - [15] - Quote tanking used to be hard. there were like 25 of us in chrome and 15 until 1.7. Now it'shard to tell who the fotmers are...in fact, it's mostly fotmers. the true blue tankers are all but gone. i dont even play anymore, really... ruined my good name, 1.7 did. i refuse to be a fotm fa88ot. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5394	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:41:00 - [16] - Quote Update: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Atiim wrote: Sorry to be so repettive, but has CCP commented on the stealth AV nerf?] No, but I have been poking them about it Straight from DevHangout. Perhaps there's hope after all? lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7960	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:42:00 - [17] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: tanking used to be hard. there were like 25 of us in chrome and 15 until 1.7. Now it'shard to tell who the fotmers are...in fact, it's mostly fotmers. the true blue tankers are all but gone. i dont even play anymore, really... ruined my good name, 1.7 did. i refuse to be a fotm fa88ot. I've been tanking since I discovered the joy in 1.3.....I still tank even now.... and I get so much hate for it....because the older tankers aren't around to shame me back into place I have games where I get ridiculous scores.... "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5394	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:43:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Your **** posting needs leveling Not really. I'm just posting a quick message from what I saw. If you don't have anything constructive to offer, then please leave. lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5394	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:52:00 - [19] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Your **** posting needs leveling Just looked up the definition of "$#!t Posting" How's this for you? lolPLC [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 361	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:05:00 - [20] - Quote Though its unneeded, I'll vouch for this. Was sitting in the Dev Hangout during this. "Increasing TTK on rifles meant they needed to make it so grenades wouldn't just be the go to response to kill people, which inadvertently nerfed AV" because CCP is laser-focused on one problem at a time that they never notice what other problems they are creating. The quotes are paraphrasing a response I got from IWS, after is me being an @$$. See how quick the community found this issue. Every time CCP announces something, the community is able to find things the Devs overlook. Wanna know why... You have hundreds of people looking at the same stats, all formulating opinions and strategies the second you give us data. We find the holes in the design. If CCP would work with the community, these problems could be avoided. Of course, everyone has been saying that for forever. Viva la tankspam until after Fan fest at the earliest. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!

Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 1956	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:09:00 - [21] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Of course, everyone has been saying that for forever. Viva la tankspam until after Fan fest at the earliest. I guess that means my HMG fatty will be OP until October? :sigh: Believe it or not, I'm really not looking forward to it. The thing was pretty much balanced. I happen to like balance. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
BattleCry1791 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 455	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:14:00 - [22] - Quote I'm a "I have an alt for that" kinda player. My 3rd alt, sp wise, is my tanker. No boosters but he been maxed out a few times for SP and been cooking since the beta, so he's got proto rails and most Tank things to level 5. I'm not an elite tanker by any means, but I can get the job done, mostly tank v tank with a damage modded gunnlogi Here's my two bits: the REAL tanks are fine the MLT tanks are way too buffed AV is beyond crap unless it's proto, and even then good luck...swarm lock on time, forge spool up time...the tanks are out of the picture before you can unload on them. Fact is the hardners broke tanking/AV. That's where the problem is. Every tanker worth anything knows he's in trouble if he sees another tank and his hardner is down. That's where the problem lies. I'm not saying nerf it or remove it, I'm just saying that's where the problem stems from. They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 83	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:17:00 - [23] - Quote BattleCry1791 wrote: I'm a "I have an alt for that" kinda player. My 3rd alt, sp wise, is my tanker. No boosters but he been maxed out a few times for SP and been cooking since the beta, so he's got proto rails and most Tank things to level 5. I'm not an elite tanker by any means, but I can get the job done, mostly tank v tank with a damage modded gunnlogi Here's my two bits: the REAL tanks are fine the MLT tanks are way too buffed AV is beyond crap unless it's proto, and even then good luck...swarm lock on time, forge spool up time...the tanks are out of the picture before you can unload on them. Fact is the hardners broke tanking/AV. That's where the problem is. Every tanker worth anything knows he's in trouble if he sees another tank and his hardner is down. That's where the problem lies. I'm not saying nerf it or remove it, I'm just saying that's where the problem stems from. tanks are fine. Modules are the problem. The only variation between MLT ans PRO is cooldown and fitting costs. Speed is only a minor problem for me but needs a tweak.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 363	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:21:00 - [24] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ResistanceGTA wrote: Of course, everyone has been saying that for forever. Viva la tankspam until after Fan fest at the earliest. I guess that means my HMG fatty will be OP until October? :sigh: Believe it or not, I'm really not looking forward to it. The thing was pretty much balanced. I happen to like balance. I personally think everyone is putting too much stock in Heavies being OP. People that know what they are doing will be OP. mr mustard is an amazing Scout, always has been, Scouts must be OP, always have been. There will be plenty FotM Heavies running around who will still get wrecked. The Heavies that were destroying before the HMG buff will be god-like, but not gods. You can still die. xSivartx, my personal Heavy, will be a beast, but if I pick up a Heavy suit, I'll still be pretty bad. If its just a bunch of RR, CR, AR, ScR Heavies, maybe they will be OP. Most people will adapt. I've been enjoying Heavy fights since they 'fixed' the HMG. I'm scared to fight a Heavy, just like back in Chrome. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 48	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:21:00 - [25] - Quote I just hope that this happens- With the new and shiney guns and suits, tankers will stop being tankers for a time and enjoy the new OP FOTM before it is gone If you only see from your point of view, you are doing it wrong.
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 775	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:55:00 - [26] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: RKKR wrote: Long live the player feedback! Ooh wait... Simple solutions won't solve it; just would make it worse. I have no idea where you get the idea of this 'simple solutions'-thing, but with the current info released it looks like they give a **** about player feedback,... Then again...maybe I might be surprised that they will finally use this "hot fix"-stuff they are talking about for a long time since they don't have the excuse for being busy on 1.8.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 934	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:09:00 - [27] - Quote AV is not as bad as lazy Dust bunnies make it out to be 'oh I need a Wirikomi Swram or Ishukone AFG w/complex mods' The above statement is only applied to guys wanting to 1v1 HAV's Any tier of AV gear will work if you Co-ordinate it well.... - Feint attack, this is most important as you must engage the vehicle then last out his hardener duration until you have a window to take them out - Baiting, Lure them into a trap Nothing annoys me more than a FG tickling a HAV at range This gives the HAV good reason not to approach and reduces the chances of other AV assisting before the HAV retreats to safezone and cycles I have began starting games with my first thoughts being AV There is no other way to combat it, if you are un-prepared... you die 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 655	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:10:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: You guys concerned about the Damage Modifier and AV Grenade nerf? Wondering if they are going to fix vehicles? Well I've got news for you. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There are no plans for the patch on changing vehicles, however we can continue to discuss possible changes via hotfixes afterwards. Straight from the "DevHangout" channel. Update: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Atiim wrote: Sorry to be so repettive, but has CCP commented on the stealth AV nerf?] No, but I have been poking them about it Straight from DevHangout. Perhaps there's hope after all? -HAND In that case I highly doubt there is any sort of hope. CCP is on a good way to scare even the hardest fans away from dust. Maybe CCP will be happy if the only thing left will be HAVs and may be Heavies
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 418	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:11:00 - [29] - Quote CCP just wants to sell more aurum tanks. Shanghai is so horrible at this whole "game development" thing.
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 2	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:42:00 - [30] - Quote Take a look at this, I believe this would be a good solution to adress the problem with tanks. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1858385#post1858385 My tank is my dropsuit, it's kinda like your dropsuit...umm Only bigger, but just a little. :)



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