DUST Search - Is the mass driver buff significant?

Buster Friently wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Patt MaCrotch wrote:

Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue.

But it's a area denial weapon!

-every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing

If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode.

I'm sorry, but spamming MD round after round doesn't exactly seem like "pro" mode to me.

It's was annoying when everyone and their mother ran a MD pre 1.4

Now we will have 11 rounds in that thing.

Try it out for a while. It's considerably harder - considerably - to lay out dps into a target with the MD than with a hitscan bullet hose.

Also, as far as I understand, the 11 rounds isn't happening. Not that this matters considering the ridiculous ammo held in the hitscan weapons.

Also, pre 1.4 the AR users outnumbered 10 of the 12 weapons in the game at the time combined. So everybody and their mother ran ARs not MDs. Fully 10 times as many people ran ARs as MDs. It's just that anytime a player gets killed by something other than what they're using, the temptation is high to cry OP. Doubly so when it's the vast majority of the playerbase.

Expect the crying to happen again. Expect it to be wrong again.

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SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:50:00 - [1] - Quote I''m not the mathy guy in dust, but how much of a buff is the mass driver buff, like how much more poverful will it be? (yes i read the numbers on the dev blog) *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Patt MaCrotch Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:54:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1977	Posted - 2014.03.07 01:54:00 - [3] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: I''m not the mathy guy in dust, but how much of a buff is the mass driver buff, like how much more poverful will it be? (yes i read the numbers on the dev blog) We're just going to have to try it relative to everything else. hopefully it'll be usable now.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3358	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:01:00 - [4] - Quote Yes. Were you here when massholes were running rampant? You couldn't hardly move anywhere. There were masshole squads everywhere. So not only will you have to still worry about tanks (oh god, they only have to worry about rails! boo hoo I say), you will have to worry about massholes when you hear that "THOK!" launching sound. It's going to be an interesting month in March. I expect adjustments to roll out soon after 1.8 drops... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:03:00 - [5] - Quote Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. I'm actually really looking forward to using it again, it was my absolute FAVORITE weapon since closed beta (ie. i was one of the first people to use it) i used it ALL the time, but then.... people started using it too much and soon it became overused and ccp had to nerf it. Sometimes i like to think i started the mass driver trend. *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 2584	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:04:00 - [6] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: I''m not the mathy guy in dust, but how much of a buff is the mass driver buff, like how much more poverful will it be? (yes i read the numbers on the dev blog) you have to ask? weRideNDie2getha since 2010 RND's recruitment official phrase
JIMvc2 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:05:00 - [7] - Quote Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. I like players like you who complain about the Mass driver. Ill make sure to make the proto n00bs experience hell. Nothing is bettet than sweet revenge.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2150	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:12:00 - [8] - Quote SUNNNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "But we have been blessed"
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 670	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:17:00 - [9] - Quote It's a 33% damage increase for the Standard Mass Driver, 27% damage increase for the Advanced 'normal' Mass Driver, and 22% increase for the Prototype 'normal' Mass Driver (that's for direct damage, not splash). Damage of a Basic MD was 225/115 and a Freedom MD 270/138. That is becoming 300/145 Basic and 330/159.5 Prototype. So, yes, I feel that the MD damage buff is significant. However, it is losing 15% damage against Shields from the Proficiency changes and 10% damage if two Complex Damage Mods are used because of the Damage Mod effectiveness reduction. I think the MD may kill just a little bit faster than before. With the Rifles getting leveled out a bit, the gap between the MD and the Rifles will probably be fairly small.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 122	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:34:00 - [10] - Quote I hope it's significant anyway. While I don't relish the thought of being lumped in with the FOTM massholes I do hope my mass driver can go back to being a serious threat again.

SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:46:00 - [11] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: SUNNNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC hows it been buddy? havent seen you in a while (i took a break from dust). Heard you're not CEO anymore? Omg it's nice to hear from you, ahh memories. *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2552	Posted - 2014.03.07 02:54:00 - [12] - Quote Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 1956	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:17:00 - [13] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: people started using it too much and soon it became overused and ccp had to nerf it. Sometimes i like to think i started the mass driver trend. Would love to give you credit, but I'm pretty sure Nyain San is more to blame for that. It was massholes... massholes everywhere. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2151	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:19:00 - [14] - Quote SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: SUNNNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC hows it been buddy? havent seen you in a while (i took a break from dust). Heard you're not CEO anymore? I thought you quit dust, OMG it's nice to hear from you, ahh memories. Disbanded the corp and gave the lead to my alt Diurnal Soul ( im still ceo ) and I cant really quite dust even if I tried. "But we have been blessed"
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 95	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:23:00 - [15] - Quote Happy that i bougth 150 freedom when they were on sale,will be useful in PC :) Quebec United CFO
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1984	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:23:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3407	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:24:00 - [17] - Quote Mass Drivers have been around for a good while and became really nice in Chromosome. So no you did not start no trend. ((Double Negative)) Anyways yes the buff is big, as a user I think it may be a little too big, but then again I looked at the resistance on a Amarr Heavy and thought "That's about right" It's going to become heavy and scout spam in 1.8 and CCP knows it. Will I be a FOTM Mass Driver scrub in 1.8 (or be called one) Yes. But I've stuck by the weapon's side through thin (I refused to use it in 1.4 or 1.3 though) and I will be that 1.8 scrub. So who the hell cares, Laser Rifle is getting a big buff too and we all remember those. I tried Redline Railgunning
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2025	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:29:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing still better than tanks... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2552	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:34:00 - [19] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing still better than tanks... That's like saying being blown up is better then being run over...while being blown up. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2552	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:37:00 - [20] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode. I'm sorry, but spamming MD round after round doesn't exactly seem like "pro" mode to me. It's was annoying when everyone and their mother ran a MD pre 1.4 Now we will have 11 rounds in that thing. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Buster Friently Rosen Association 1990	Posted - 2014.03.07 03:38:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode. I'm sorry, but spamming MD round after round doesn't exactly seem like "pro" mode to me. It's was annoying when everyone and their mother ran a MD pre 1.4 Now we will have 11 rounds in that thing. Try it out for a while. It's considerably harder - considerably - to lay out dps into a target with the MD than with a hitscan bullet hose. Also, as far as I understand, the 11 rounds isn't happening. Not that this matters considering the ridiculous ammo held in the hitscan weapons. Also, pre 1.4 the AR users outnumbered 10 of the 12 weapons in the game at the time combined. So everybody and their mother ran ARs not MDs. Fully 10 times as many people ran ARs as MDs. It's just that anytime a player gets killed by something other than what they're using, the temptation is high to cry OP. Doubly so when it's the vast majority of the playerbase. Expect the crying to happen again. Expect it to be wrong again.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:33:00 - [22] - Quote Mass holes.......... ASSEMBLE!!!!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1604	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:42:00 - [23] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Mass holes.......... ASSEMBLE!!!! k...
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 364	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:52:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode. I'm sorry, but spamming MD round after round doesn't exactly seem like "pro" mode to me. It's was annoying when everyone and their mother ran a MD pre 1.4 Now we will have 11 rounds in that thing. Holy sht, its common knowledge, THERE WILL BE NO INCREASE TO CLIP SIZE ON EXPLOSIVE WEAPONS FOR THE MINMATAR ASSAULT. Stop with that horsesht. Appears my Caps lock got stuck on, oh well, I'll leave it. CCP Saberwing wrote: hoo! (pt 2 of 2) EDIT: Now, with something useful: Assault [5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of light/sidearm weapons] - Caldari Assault: +5% to reload speed of hybrid railgun light/sidearm weapons per level. - Gallente Assault: 5% reduction to hybrid - blaster light/sidearm hip-fire dispersion and kick per level. - Minmatar Assault: +5% to projectile light/sidearm clip size per level. - Amarr Assault: 5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level. Logibro edited that part out yesterday when he added the Medium suit table. Keep the fire and brimstone talk from the Freedoms in church, man. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
SUNNY THE NINJA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 100	Posted - 2014.03.07 04:55:00 - [25] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Mass holes.......... ASSEMBLE!!!! yeah sure... sounds fun... *Excuse the spelling mistakes please*
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2552	Posted - 2014.03.07 05:27:00 - [26] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Patt MaCrotch wrote: Yes, unfortunately Massholes are returning. Prepare yourself for the scrubbery and douchebaggery which will ensue. But it's a area denial weapon! -every MD user ever while running around n00bToobing If you're going to start this, you have to understand that the AA hitscan bullet hoses are the most noobtube thing in Dust. Enjoy your EZ mode. I'm sorry, but spamming MD round after round doesn't exactly seem like "pro" mode to me. It's was annoying when everyone and their mother ran a MD pre 1.4 Now we will have 11 rounds in that thing. Try it out for a while. It's considerably harder - considerably - to lay out dps into a target with the MD than with a hitscan bullet hose. Also, as far as I understand, the 11 rounds isn't happening. Not that this matters considering the ridiculous ammo held in the hitscan weapons. Also, pre 1.4 the AR users outnumbered 10 of the 12 weapons in the game at the time combined. So everybody and their mother ran ARs not MDs. Fully 10 times as many people ran ARs as MDs. It's just that anytime a player gets killed by something other than what they're using, the temptation is high to cry OP. Doubly so when it's the vast majority of the playerbase. Expect the crying to happen again. Expect it to be wrong again. Sorry, doesn't matter if more MLT suits ran MLT ARs, more CalLogis ran MDs. Look, arguing over what was used more and watching every MD user drop the weapon they "loved" once hit detection got fixed both aren't going to get us anywhere. I'm just happy now that I know the Minmatar assault bonus was changed. Not sure how you think spamming the ground with explosives is not the not same as spamming AR/ScR/CR/RR. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 236	Posted - 2014.03.07 06:56:00 - [27] - Quote If you were to simply buff the damage to a level comparable now in 1.7 the base MD would not stand much of a chance in the mid-short range it is restricted to against rifles and makes it a less viable weapon . All of the effort to buff the MD I think is a step to make it a more competitive weapon. One of the obvious problems I saw was that there was trouble applying DPS in mobile situations and within it's best range to quickly apply it especially where the base weapon was concerned the damage now simply makes it more consistent in the clip size and ammo you are restricted to. The issue of spam is no different than arguing against the range of the Rail Rifle or the overarching effectiveness of the combat rifle compared to the other rifles. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1141	Posted - 2014.03.07 08:52:00 - [28] - Quote MD will finally return as the great support weapon for logistic suits that it was before.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 127	Posted - 2014.03.07 09:44:00 - [29] - Quote Though I was driven from the path of MD rightousness by the first Minmatar rifle, I never dropped it and will gladly use it more in the future again (if not exclusively). The only thing that will drag me in a different direction, will be the Minmatar heavy / HMG combo... Rusty Scum unite for future tear harvesting...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 655	Posted - 2014.03.07 10:08:00 - [30] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: SUNNY THE NINJA wrote: I''m not the mathy guy in dust, but how much of a buff is the mass driver buff, like how much more poverful will it be? (yes i read the numbers on the dev blog) We're just going to have to try it relative to everything else. hopefully it'll be usable now. Yes here you are right but I am concerned that in this case the problems occur as with vehicle vs av. CCP nerfs Rifles quite a bit while on the same time buffing the MD quite a bit...I mean they changed these things for a reason a while back... But its like always with CCP they are always moving in circles balancing wise and of course it has to be the big solution instead of smaller tweaks



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