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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1999
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Posted - 2014.03.07 23:30:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote: And PvE really should be a focus right now, as this RPG/FPS is severely lacking in the RPG department.
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
510
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Posted - 2014.03.07 23:34:00 -
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this is the best review yourll probly ever find for dust tbh mate
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weapon of choice:
MARK V PYTHON.
-STB sky marshall
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1885
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Posted - 2014.03.07 23:42:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I only started enjoying this game after I had found people to play the game with, and that's what really needs to be addressed with NPE.
Good job, this is a big part of the problem, people don't know or understand that to get the most out of this game you have to engage with the community. This game, much like other FPSs, is boring and very repetitive if you are not involved with the community or try to lone wolf all the time. I am a loner but I do squad up and mess around in channels, maybe adding just a HELP! channel that is there from the beginning or something like that may help. We shouldn't have to lead each new player by the hand to every little thing but a good kick in the butt in the right direction may go a long way.
The NPE would take 2.5 hours if they were to just try to teach the basics, at a point it is our job as a community to pick up the NPE slack and tell CCP that we can do it better. We have more resources as a whole to do things like that than CCP ever will, this is a social media site for the male soap opera known as DUST514 and when people learn that early on it makes things easier for them.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1885
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Posted - 2014.03.07 23:51:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Ignoring the nay sayers among this topic, I think it paints a fairly good picture of what dust 514 is to a new player.
It's not about getting "GOOD", it's all about getting proto. That's a HUGE contributing factor to winning and losing. And PvE really should be a focus right now, as this RPG/FPS is severely lacking in the RPG department.
It is not so much about getting proto as it is about learning where SP should go and practice with what you like or are good at, I have been here since around the first waves of closed beat invites and I have only ever had one proto suit and it was during chrome. Proto suits and other proto gear are not necessary to have fun, be good, be profitable or even be competitive because squads, teamwork and experience in game is much more valuable. I use proto reptools and hives, everything else I use is advanced or under. No, I am not a slayer but I am a good logi and being good at a role or valuable to a team is what the game is about. Don't underestimate the value of good support.
Your are right that PVE is sorely needed and it would help -a lot- with the feeling of repetitiveness that we get right now. I would love to melt a drone with my ELM while fighting off a few other mercs who want the same thing. Sounds really fun and very interesting. They need to fill out the racial suits, introduce player trading and then drop PVE all while tweaking the stats to get the game balanced.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1449
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Posted - 2014.03.08 00:12:00 -
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Croned wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:"Golden-guns"? It ain't called aurum for nothing. If the OP is trying to say that Aurum weapons are more than just aesthetically better, I have to deeply disagree with him. So, AUR gear is practically worthless? Aurum gear has lower skill requirements (as intended and stated a countless number of times), but it doesn't give you any other advantages over equivalent ISK variants. You have 1500 likes, yet you sound like a complete noob.
I have 1449 likes (but climbing). You stated that AUR gear is only aesthetically superior to ISK gear (looks, I suppose, perhaps sound? However AUR gear could appeal only to the senses, I suppose.) So, then, in that case, in pure gameplay terms, it would really be rather worthless. When I point that out, you tell me how it allows lower-skill access to higher gear, thus it is intrinsically better, not aesthetically. You can't have the ball bounce away from you and toward you simultaneously. But I think I know what caused your original outburst. No one wants to appear to be a cheater. Selling access to higher-experience gear (that's what AUR is) is In a very real way, cheating. If it isn't, you'd have to wonder why people would buy it. I mean, the advertising certainly couldn't be lying, right? So, CCP lets people cheat for money, and AUR is that cheat. CCP has monetized low self-esteem and cheating, but that's nothing new.
(bolds my own)
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1981
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Posted - 2014.03.08 00:16:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:[quote=Onesimus Tarsus] If the OP is trying to say that Aurum weapons are more than just aesthetically better, I have to deeply disagree with him. So, AUR gear is practically worthless? Aurum gear has lower skill requirements (as intended and stated a countless number of times), but it doesn't give you any other advantages over equivalent ISK variants. You have 1500 likes, yet you sound like a complete noob. I have 1449 likes (but climbing). You stated that AUR gear is only aesthetically superior to ISK gear (looks, I suppose, perhaps sound? However AUR gear could appeal only to the senses, I suppose.) So, then, in that case, in pure gameplay terms, it would really be rather worthless. When I point that out, you tell me how it allows lower-skill access to higher gear, thus it is intrinsically better, not aesthetically. You can't have the ball bounce away from you and toward you simultaneously. But I think I know what caused your original outburst. No one wants to appear to be a cheater. Selling access to higher-experience gear (that's what AUR is) is In a very real way, cheating. If it isn't, you'd have to wonder why people would buy it. I mean, the advertising certainly couldn't be lying, right? So, CCP lets people cheat for money, and AUR is that cheat. CCP has monetized low self-esteem and cheating, but that's nothing new. (bolds my own)
Agreed.
It also tends to save grind, which could also be construed as cheating.
I don't really have a problem with it; they have to monetise somehow and this is far more benign than other games I've seen. Even insofar as pay-2-avoid grind.
EDIT: ALSO. 'Abyss' Carthum Drop Uplink. Only example of actual P2W in the game right now. Also an item that is objectively 'better'.
Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE
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Onyx Agent
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:24:00 -
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Croned wrote: If the OP is trying to say that Aurum weapons are more than just aesthetically better, I have to deeply disagree with him.
Aurum gear basically only serves to save you ISK. I don't think there is anything bought with Aurum that isn't inferior in function to ISK equivalents.
It's basically paying for ISK but at a far worse conversion rate than cash to PLEX in Eve.
CCP's monetization strategy with the gear isn't that great.
Skillboosters. Yeah, that I don't mind paying for. In my mind it's fair, because you pay money, get more SP which is an investment in your character. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1753
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:05:00 -
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Onyx Agent wrote:Croned wrote: If the OP is trying to say that Aurum weapons are more than just aesthetically better, I have to deeply disagree with him.
Aurum gear basically only serves to save you ISK. I don't think there is anything bought with Aurum that isn't inferior in function to ISK equivalents. It's basically paying for ISK but at a far worse conversion rate than cash to PLEX in Eve. CCP's monetization strategy with the gear isn't that great. Skillboosters. Yeah, that I don't mind paying for. In my mind it's fair, because you pay money, get more SP which is an investment in your character. One of the biggest immersion-breaking elements of the game for me, in fact the most immersion-breaking element, is the store.
It's gaudy, money-grubbing and distasteful, in a roadside barker kinda way whose marketing masterplan involves a bullhorn and a fluorescent clown suit.
I support SP rollover.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1932
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:28:00 -
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Croned wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Croned wrote:"Golden-guns"? It ain't called aurum for nothing. If the OP is trying to say that Aurum weapons are more than just aesthetically better, I have to deeply disagree with him. So, AUR gear is practically worthless? Aurum gear has lower skill requirements (as intended and stated a countless number of times), but it doesn't give you any other advantages over equivalent ISK variants. You have 1500 likes, yet you sound like a complete noob. Yes, but at the same time, it can be PERCIEVED as P2W shittery, and it kinda is.
I can use this OMGBBQWTFOVAR9000 Protogear before you can!. I'm statistically better!
Can that statistical difference be eliminated over time? Yes.
But the amount of time needed before that imbalance begins to ease is WAY too long, making it seem like a huge paywall.
Give us Money and you can get boosters so you don't have to wait to get good, and have that proto gear early!
Plus the constant damn adverts about the ****.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
1932
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Posted - 2014.03.08 03:29:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Potential514 is all that this game will ever be. Unless, they ditch the F2P model and invest in a developer subcontractor to build CCP's vision properly for the PS4 port. I mean, if they won't invest in the product then why the **** should I? They did. And Kinda are, with the EVE income that's probably paying the way for 90% of DUST.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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Rusty Shallows
1068
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Posted - 2014.03.08 04:09:00 -
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Quote:Thank goodness DUST doesn't have any persistent areas with statues to shoot at. Sarcasm detected. Defenseless monuments in public common areas is exactly what we want Mr Mauser! 32 guys, 100+ REs, and one effigy.
Once upon a time I briefly considered trying organize those of us with Eve Online accounts to do a Burn Jita. Frankly the six or seven of us would still be outnumbered by the scammers posting in Local. So ummm .... yeah, take that CCP.
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
Forums > Game
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BattleCry1791
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
465
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:44:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:I think the only problem with this game is the assumption, that CCP is delivering anything of their vision anytime SOON...!
When I got into the game, I read a lot about the promises or vision CCP had for this game. I thought well, maybe some months in the future things will get more interesting, PVE will come, more vehicles, suits and weapons...
NOPE they won't. It will take forever untill anything similar to the early trailers will hit our consoles. As soon as you accept the game as what it is (a very simple start into CCPs vision) you can have fun. You will need to have breaks inbetwheen, since let's be honest, the game is alpha as hell, and it only carries the most addicted players along for longer than a month. If you expect anything polished or good, you better take a break for some month every now and then, come back and enjoy it for some weeks, and have another break afterwards.
That's just what is is, a promise that won't be fulfilled for a long time.
Accept it and come to peace...
Here's the issue with all of this...the console world doesn't wait for anything or anyone. Might as well port this piece of **** game to PC now...because by the time CCP actually releases all content, balances the game, and stops all exploits, the PS4 will be a "last gen" console.
They'd ban me, but I'm too funny and more importantly, I'm right.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
157
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Posted - 2014.03.08 06:49:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:The o button press is a placeholder for when we have hackable ladders.
I just lol'd so hard
Hanging up the Min Logi, going full Amarr Sentinel with HMG, Ion Pistol, and Forge Gun.
My record high KD about 47/14
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