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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:34:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:-Insert poor logic and or false info here-
We took a really hard hit this build....and essentially now cannot kill any armour tanked units. Our gun is not longer useful at long range where the RR is better, nor at mid or close where the CR and AR are better.
We are also no longer the best 1v1 rifle, loosing out half the time on armoured targets......ScR..... in my eye, though I will need to test it, has been officially gimped by the whingers.....
Small tweaks would have made the ScR balanced........
I almost wish we would stay with the current model of proficiency and skills and only tweak it slightly......
Whelp I hope we get a respect, I'm certainly pulling all of my points out of Amarr Dropsuits and weapons ands stock piling them for the HAV.
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:47:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Thing is, armor buffers > shield buffers. This means RR will uber alles, since it get a more balanced damage profile vs shield/armor buffers. Also no overheat.
ScR still get that headshot multiplier, so the best ScR users wont be as much affected.
Head shots are fine, but are you telling me I actually need to be more handicapped and rely on head shots to take down my enemies reliably?
I already make use of the single shot weapon. It is already outclassed by a ranged rifle, and medium range rifle crossing its optimal and effectively all to easily.
It already suffers against high armour targets..... I will never be able to take down a heavy alone, not even if I ambush them now.
And I deal with overheat.
Other rifles have full auto, no over heat, relatively consistent DPS and alpha, similar magazine sizes, etc.......
I honestly was in a good place about dust weapons balance last build, sure rifles needed some small tweaks but I though their functionality was fine, and the shorted TTK was growing one me.
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:01:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:-Insert poor logic and or false info here-
We took a really hard hit this build....and essentially now cannot kill any armour tanked units. Our gun is not longer useful at long range where the RR is better, nor at mid or close where the CR and AR are better. We are also no longer the best 1v1 rifle, loosing out half the time on armoured targets......ScR..... in my eye, though I will need to test it, has been officially gimped by the whingers..... Small tweaks would have made the ScR balanced........ I almost wish we would stay with the current model of proficiency and skills and only tweak it slightly...... Whelp I hope we get a respect, I'm certainly pulling all of my points out of Amarr Dropsuits and weapons ands stock piling them for the HAV. News flash, its meant to be tough to kill a Armour tanker with a Shield based weapon. Take this, [hands over M2091 Assault Submachine Gun], with profciency this gets 135% damage bonus to armour, still relatively effective at longer ranges. Also have this [hands over M8 Packed Locus Grenade] this is also very useful, tey cooking it a little first, you have time to nowadays. Welcome to diversity, welcome to the real DUST 514.
Face palm..... don't you think I know that?
I am Amarrian, the most durable race out there...... however the ScR now is essentially halved in its armour based effectiveness,
I do not want dust to become a game of uh oh back to the supply depot for me to take out 1 guy who is armour tanking...... its as if now everyone has armour resistance module on their suits......
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:23:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:-Insert poor logic and or false info here-
We took a really hard hit this build....and essentially now cannot kill any armour tanked units. Our gun is not longer useful at long range where the RR is better, nor at mid or close where the CR and AR are better. We are also no longer the best 1v1 rifle, loosing out half the time on armoured targets......ScR..... in my eye, though I will need to test it, has been officially gimped by the whingers..... Small tweaks would have made the ScR balanced........ I almost wish we would stay with the current model of proficiency and skills and only tweak it slightly...... Whelp I hope we get a respect, I'm certainly pulling all of my points out of Amarr Dropsuits and weapons ands stock piling them for the HAV. I agree, sadly CCP doesn't know how to do anything but change raw numbers or do radically change things. That said, the weapon was too good in CQC, and it needed a change to it...instead CCP just nerfed the dmg for it and all other rifles. Still seems like it will be better then the AR.
Perhaps that was the case..... would RoF and reload time tweaks have made that fire arm more balanced?
Again I don't know, but sound boarding ideas off of one another is always a good idea.
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:17:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:-Insert poor logic and or false info here-
We took a really hard hit this build....and essentially now cannot kill any armour tanked units. Our gun is not longer useful at long range where the RR is better, nor at mid or close where the CR and AR are better. We are also no longer the best 1v1 rifle, loosing out half the time on armoured targets......ScR..... in my eye, though I will need to test it, has been officially gimped by the whingers..... Small tweaks would have made the ScR balanced........ I almost wish we would stay with the current model of proficiency and skills and only tweak it slightly...... Whelp I hope we get a respect, I'm certainly pulling all of my points out of Amarr Dropsuits and weapons ands stock piling them for the HAV. News flash, its meant to be tough to kill a Armour tanker with a Shield based weapon. Take this, [hands over M2091 Assault Submachine Gun], with profciency this gets 135% damage bonus to armour, still relatively effective at longer ranges. Also have this [hands over M8 Packed Locus Grenade] this is also very useful, tey cooking it a little first, you have time to nowadays. Welcome to diversity, welcome to the real DUST 514. Face palm..... don't you think I know that? I am Amarrian, the most durable race out there...... however the ScR now is essentially halved in its armour based effectiveness, I do not want dust to become a game of uh oh back to the supply depot for me to take out 1 guy who is armour tanking...... its as if now everyone has armour resistance module on their suits...... Well if you don't want to feel gimped by going to more balanced environment you could take a break, when you come back although it'll feel different it will be easier to adjust. The thing is are you happy the CR is no weak against shields? That my Mass Driver is practically pointless withojt a Shield Breaker? If you play with a varied squad of mercs you wont have to, you get your mate with a CR to deal with it, you know teamwork. Even against a gallante with minimal shie2ldsmits gonna be more efficient to tag-team and that's the point. It puts and end to one gun being better than the rest. Because that CR is severely **** against shields!
See my corp tag.... does that answer your question.....or do you not know who PIE are?
(Wow that sounds pretentious but its a serious question.)
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
- Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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