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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7181	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:58:00 - [1] - Quote According to the recent dev blog posted by CCP Remnant on the weapon changes, the nova knives will be the only weapon whose proficiency skill book bonus will still apply bonus damage uniformly to both shield and armor. Other weapons will be either anti-armor or anti-shield while the knives stay as anti-both. And even with the changes to the damage mods, the Ishukone nova knives will still dish out at least 1100 charged damage with just one enhanced damage mod. That's not accounting the bonus damage to shield and armor. And with the buff to scouts plus the cloaks and reduced ttk, it looks like our golden age is finally returning. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7181	Posted - 2014.03.06 08:06:00 - [2] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Wonderful. OHKs from scouts you can't even see approaching. I can hardly wait. Yes, yes. Fear the knives. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7190	Posted - 2014.03.06 17:49:00 - [3] - Quote If CCP keeps the same decloak sound that you hear right now when you respawn, you'll likely not be able to notice with all the background noise going on like guns shooting, REs exploding, tanks rolling, the computer voice lady talking, and some idiot on comms leaving his mic open. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7190	Posted - 2014.03.06 17:57:00 - [4] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Wonderful. OHKs from scouts you can't even see approaching. I can hardly wait. They have to decloak to stab you, which makes a sound. Though honestly if you get stabbed you most likely weren't going to see them anyway so the cloak won't change much in that regard, if anything they'd most likely cloak after stabbing you. As soon as I hear the decloak sound I'm going to be starting spinning around looking for the scary red scout. I already do that to a degree, after 1.8 though I going to have to bring a spare pair of pants. Considering that there is no delay mentioned between decloaking and stabbing you, you'll likely be too late. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7190	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:06:00 - [5] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: For IshNoKs, the number I'm aiming for is 250 base damage per knife - that will be enough to kill almost any medium suit with one charged hit with both knives, and all heavies with one charge + one regular swipe. Advanced Min Scout + Proficiency 3 will do the trick. Um, with the numbers I posted above, it's already more than enough to OHK assaults and some heavies. It's just the proto heavies you have to worry about. In my opinion, the damage is just fine even after the nerf to damage mods as long you wear the Minmatar scout suit which still retains its nk damage bonus in 1.8. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7194	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:44:00 - [6] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: So before you say how good NK's are, please show me a build where the extremely low PG of a min adv suit is able to compete with Cal, Gal, or Amarr. It can't so you're better off using a dif class and running NK in 1.8 if the current PG stats releases are the same. - Cots By "current PG stats releases" are you referring to the stats we have RIGHT NOW in 1.7 or are you talking about the 1.8 stats listed in the link below? Dropsuit Skill Book Bonuses http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitskills181.jpg Dropsuit Stats http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg Since the Dust Fitting Tools have not yet been updated with 1.8 stats, I can't tell for certain without going through some extensive math manually which I'm not gonna bother to do today. Also, don't forget that scout suits in general will have a 75% (at level 5) reduction in CPU/PG usage of the cloak. With the cloak stats listed below, that reduces the requirement down to 40 CPU and 9 PG for the STD. Cloak Stats http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/forums/cloaks18.jpg Now, in 1.8, once the cloak is introduce, I don't think I'm going to ever need a shield extender at all. This is a scout after all and I have adapted already to stabbing folks with just one basic damage mod, two basic kin cats with a BPO SMG and Ishukones on a Scout M-1 suit (STD). That's just currently in 1.7. Also, if I use the cloak, it's pretty obvious I won't need that much of the kin cats anymore since I don't have to worry much about closing distance or traversing through open areas. So that cuts down the CPU/PG demand pretty well. Oh, and one more thing. I only use the NK to kill. That SMG I mentioned earlier? That's just to scare off people. The NK do the real killing and that is my ONLY primary weapon. That said, I'll probably get rid of the SMG from the fit altogether since I hardly ever use it. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7194	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Oh, one more thing, Cotsy8. Since the cloaks and nova knives are more CPU intensive and not that much PG heavy on scouts, I'm not too worried about the PG usage at this point for 1.8. Since even the Scout M/1-Series is getting a buff to CPU, I'm actually happy right now even if I have a Min scout suit. Besides, I have a alt named Mia-Ta Mi that's already specced into proto Gal Scouts and Ishukone knives as well. So if Gal Scout turn out to be better, expect to see her (err... me) running around in that suit instead. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7194	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:09:00 - [8] - Quote Thanks for the link and the stats. I'll check those out. As to your use of the term "competitive", what's considered competitive is up to individual interpretation. To you, competitiveness might mean having a gun. To me however, competitiveness is learning how to bring ONLY a knife to a gun fight and walking out with 13 kills and just 2 deaths. I fight how I like and no one can force me to do otherwise. PS: I don't use REs anymore. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7194	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote @Cotsy8 I just checked the link you gave me. It doesn't appear to have the 1.8 stats updated into it. Are you sure that is the correct website? The Scout M/1-Series listed on that site only shows the current slot layout and stats of 1.7 not 1.8. That and the scouts in 1.8 will get two equipment slots, not one. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7197	Posted - 2014.03.06 22:23:00 - [10] - Quote You seem to put a lot of emphasis on the shield extenders. Honestly as a dedicated scout, I don't use extenders. Even with the nerf to guns and extended ttk, I'm still staying away from shield extenders. Besides, as a ninja I thrive on not being spotted in the first place. And I'm sure I'm not the only one out there running around naked with no shield extenders on as I'm sure many of us scouts have gotten use to dealing with paper mache suits and working around that. As for your statement about kin cats being mandatory, I know that's mostly true in 1.7 but we need to see first how things go in 1.8 before we jump to that conclusion. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:03:00 - [11] - Quote You weren't kidding when you said I'm ballsy. My fitting options are quite extensive given the fact that I don't use shield extenders and only a nova knife as a primary weapon. I have a few points invested into the smg and swarm launchers but honestly i've been neglecting those two projectile weapons for a long time already and if I ever get a respec, I might get out of that and just stick with knives and maybe a bpo smg... Maybe. As for nades, I hardly use those except when I like to toss a pineapple surprise to someone above me. Yes, I have a bpo of the smg... and almost everything else. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:05:00 - [12] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Yawn. I really don't see how NKs are any "scarier" than being gutted by a flickering orange "v" from 100m out with their first pull of the trigger, especially when the latter happens 1000 times more on average. I guess some people just don't like dying to someone that close. Meet me in a dark room or corner and I'll show you. I'll be waiting. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:11:00 - [13] - Quote @cotsy8 What evidence do you have that the decloak sound will be loud? The only clue to the possible sound we have on that is the sound you hear when someone respawns and even then the noise is often so subtle that hardly anyone would notice it with all the background noise going on. Even if you do hear it, there is no mention of any attack delays after decloaking so I can instantly stab you as soon as I decloak which is as easy as just swapping to my knives when I can put into the light slot. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:12:00 - [14] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Yawn. I really don't see how NKs are any "scarier" than being gutted by a flickering orange "v" from 100m out with their first pull of the trigger, especially when the latter happens 1000 times more on average. I guess some people just don't like dying to someone that close. Meet me in a dark room or corner and I'll show you. I'll be waiting. I bet you say that to all the boys. Well, they don't really get happy endings. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote Regardless though I still have an alt that's already trained up into Gallente scout suits so I have no problem switching between suits. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7201	Posted - 2014.03.06 23:30:00 - [16] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: I'm not asking for this great buff to PG, I'm saying the suit could compete with 2-3 more PG (after boosts). Cal is 60, Cal is 67, Ama is 64 compared to Min 56 with bonuses. Even 2PG would help greatly. 58PG on adv min scout would mean a lot, a NK PG reduction would be nice to create 4PG more. Allowing for far more possibilities, more balance between the classes and doesn't restrict you to a std weapon or CR. - Cots Have you ever noticed that nova knives don't have a fitting optimization skill book while other weapons do? If CCP were to at least add that, we wouldn't be needing 4 extra power grid. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7228	Posted - 2014.03.07 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote I love these conversations. Smiley Face. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7253	Posted - 2014.03.08 18:22:00 - [18] - Quote Shameless bump. Also, I can imagine one day having a gladiator-style duel with knives. Like This! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGTe0b3vVY&index=12&list=PLk8RCHiu-6X0VdUbMW74_MkiIjERk3Aop Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7266	Posted - 2014.03.08 20:12:00 - [19] - Quote After looking at the ProtoFits.com website closely, I was able to put together what seems like a decent fit for my style. Scout mk.0 57,690 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier 3,420 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier 3,420 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier 3,420 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 1,815 Enhanced Profile Dampener 2,085 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 1,815 Ishukone Nova Knives 12,975 Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint 480 Militia Locus Grenade Blueprint 180 ARN-18 Cloak Field 3,420 Flux Active Scanner 975 ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 91,695 This is with maximized skill books with at least 147 CPU and 5 PG left over to spare using 1.8 stats. It's not a full on 'complex' module fitted and the only two items in the list that proto level are the suit itself and the Ishukone Nova Knives. I would already expect that it's impossible to fit all complex stuff on the suit without serious compromise, but that's the point of the scouts anyways. Scouts have to compromise and thus learn how to make the most out of what little they have. This makes them more and more efficient compared to regular slayers who don't normally have to worry about fitting requirements as much as the scouts do. Yes, I know. No shields, but I don't care much for shields at this point even with the increased TTK as I have already gotten use to fighting against extremely short TTK in the first place. I mean, I'm bringing a knife to a gun fight after all in a scout suit. You can't get anymore hard mode than that. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7268	Posted - 2014.03.08 22:37:00 - [20] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: @Toush - again not to best a dead horse, no one is questioning the Proto Min Scout suit. There's plenty of CPU/PG there to make it viable. It might not be as good as Gal or Cal but its on par with Ama. The debate is whether or not you can make a comparable fitting using NK in a n adv suit min. While keeping with the same speed, stamina, dampening and utilizing NK + a sidearm/main weapon. I said this cannot be done, min as scouts will need 2 more SP after boosts to be functional and are therefore significantly worst than other adv scout suits. I showed the numbers. Many possible builds and it simply doesn't work. Thanks for reminding me. Here is the setup I came up with to match my own playstyle. Scout M/1-Series 13,155 Advanced Precision Enhancer 2,205 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier 3,420 Enhanced Sidearm Damage Modifier 3,420 Enhanced Profile Dampener 2,085 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzer 1,815 ZN-28 Nova Knives 2,955 Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint 480 Militia Locus Grenade Blueprint 180 ARN-18 Cloak Field 3,420 Drop Uplink 900 ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 34,035 This leaves me with 52 CPU but I'm already tapped out with 0 PG left. I am still able to use my BPO SMG, fit the same ADV cloak, and a basic uplink. Obviously some sacrifice had to be made especially with the Nova Knives, but I'm still able to maintain my usefulness as a Minja with an uplink for my team. The ADV Precision Enhancer is just there as a utility item in case any assaults try to be smart with profile dampeners. As a side note, the ZN-28 Nova Knives are still a formidable weapon with at least 1,000 charged damage before any damage mods are applied. That is still enough to strike fear on most assaults and absolute terror for any other scout I encounter. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

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