You're going to utterly castrate AV unless there's more to this update. I would hope you all had considered and made a proper adjustment. I approved of the vehicle buffs and do not think that altering the tanks was a bad idea.

The damage mods needed to be nerfed in relation to infantry versus infantry, but the damage mods were the only thing keeping a couple of the AV weapons somewhat viable killing tanks. Now they're going to be nonviable.

I do hope you have a plan that doesn't involve vehicles being the meat of DUST with infantry merely being an interesting sideline. The performance of Anti-vehicle weapons is lackluster and only valuable in the hands of experts and old hats. Even the hotly-debated forge gun is really only viable in the hands of someone who spends most of their time deploying with it exclusively.

I believe the playerbase would appreciate more than just your efforts to deal with infantry versus infantry time to kill. It is wildly important and we look forward to seeing if this brings more value to the dropsuits by increasing TTK enough to be interesting. I and many others would like to see that there will be some semblance of parity.

However, this issue is not out there in a vacuum. As it stands you have given precisely enough information to tell us that you are working on making infantry versus infantry combat more interesting and viable, but not bothering to provide so much as acomment on the state of AV/V balance, or if this firepower nerf was intended in relation to vehicles.

I assure you, without the ability to deploy damage mods to a forge gun, I'm tempted to stop putting points into fatsuits, as the last effective weapon we have against anything outside twenty meters will get yet another nerf. It's ceasing to be fun playing a heavy, as the class has become more and more ineffectual at it's stated roles.

Sure, the relative strength of the HMG has increased in relation to the rifles in close. But that's only part of the equation. I forsee a clamor for the nerf bat to heavies again here shortly.

In other news, it takes at least two AV gunners to pop tanks (Unless the AV gunner is a badass and his opponents are relatively slow and stupid) but it only takes one man to run a tank. This manpower disparity is only going to make the tanks more valuable on the field than infantry once the Forge Gun damage bonuses get hacked off.

Further with the damage bonuses of rail guns being removed for proficiency versus shields, this leaves a disparity. There are no anti-shield AV weapons except the Plasma Cannon, which is arguably a joke. A funny joke, but still, a joke. Long live our kings, the Gunnlogi.

You're going to utterly castrate AV unless there's more to this update. I would hope you all had considered and made a proper adjustment. I approved of the vehicle buffs and do not think that altering the tanks was a bad idea.

The damage mods needed to be nerfed in relation to infantry versus infantry, but the damage mods were the only thing keeping a couple of the AV weapons somewhat viable killing tanks. Now they're going to be nonviable.

I do hope you have a plan that doesn't involve vehicles being the meat of DUST with infantry merely being an interesting sideline. The performance of Anti-vehicle weapons is lackluster and only valuable in the hands of experts and old hats. Even the hotly-debated forge gun is really only viable in the hands of someone who spends most of their time deploying with it exclusively.

I believe the playerbase would appreciate more than just your efforts to deal with infantry versus infantry time to kill. It is wildly important and we look forward to seeing if this brings more value to the dropsuits by increasing TTK enough to be interesting. I and many others would like to see that there will be some semblance of parity.

However, this issue is not out there in a vacuum. As it stands you have given precisely enough information to tell us that you are working on making infantry versus infantry combat more interesting and viable, but not bothering to provide so much as acomment on the state of AV/V balance, or if this firepower nerf was intended in relation to vehicles.

I assure you, without the ability to deploy damage mods to a forge gun, I'm tempted to stop putting points into fatsuits, as the last effective weapon we have against anything outside twenty meters will get yet another nerf. It's ceasing to be fun playing a heavy, as the class has become more and more ineffectual at it's stated roles.

Sure, the relative strength of the HMG has increased in relation to the rifles in close. But that's only part of the equation. I forsee a clamor for the nerf bat to heavies again here shortly.

In other news, it takes at least two AV gunners to pop tanks (Unless the AV gunner is a badass and his opponents are relatively slow and stupid) but it only takes one man to run a tank. This manpower disparity is only going to make the tanks more valuable on the field than infantry once the Forge Gun damage bonuses get hacked off.

Further with the damage bonuses of rail guns being removed for proficiency versus shields, this leaves a disparity. There are no anti-shield AV weapons except the Plasma Cannon, which is arguably a joke. A funny joke, but still, a joke. Long live our kings, the Gunnlogi.

i used to think 2 heavy damage mods with a forge gun was good av. then i swithched to standard sentinel and realised the forge gun still does great damage against vehicles. with an advanced assault forge gun, its about 4 hits to kill an HAV. and swarm launchers will still be viable in groups, specifically, AV squads. its no that hard to outsmart a tanker... and sometimes brains>brawn

My poor swarm launchers.

It will be a sad state of affairs when the only reliable way to kill LAVs will be with a damn tank. I don't even want to comment on how popular sentinels will become, but I would like to see the following for AV balance:

-AV grenades need 3 in the pocket, or a damage increase, if not both.
-Buff Swarms up to 300 damage per missile and increase their lock-on range to at least 250m
-Do SOMETHING to turn plasma cannons into a serious weapon, they've been a joke since they were introduced.
-Increase the hull cost of HAVs to at least double what they are now (100k for an unfit militia HAV, 200k for standard)

Now I'll get back to planning on which fatsuit to skill into. I hate moving so slow, but heavies will be everywhere and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Buff swarms?!? No. Just NO! they already have plenty of range as it is. Anyone using a dropship would be completely screwed if there was a swarm buff. We have enough to contend with as it is with redlining tanks and forge guns.

Seriously can you people not look at the situation objectively? Quit looking for ways to make life easier for yourselves.

My poor swarm launchers.

It will be a sad state of affairs when the only reliable way to kill LAVs will be with a damn tank. I don't even want to comment on how popular sentinels will become, but I would like to see the following for AV balance:

-AV grenades need 3 in the pocket, or a damage increase, if not both.
-Buff Swarms up to 300 damage per missile and increase their lock-on range to at least 250m
-Do SOMETHING to turn plasma cannons into a serious weapon, they've been a joke since they were introduced.
-Increase the hull cost of HAVs to at least double what they are now (100k for an unfit militia HAV, 200k for standard)

Now I'll get back to planning on which fatsuit to skill into. I hate moving so slow, but heavies will be everywhere and sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

-AV grenades need 3 in the pocket, or a damage increase, if not both.
-Buff Swarms up to 300 damage per missile and increase their lock-on range to at least 250m
-Do SOMETHING to turn plasma cannons into a serious weapon, they've been a joke since they were introduced.
-Increase the hull cost of HAVs to at least double what they are now (100k for an unfit militia HAV, 200k for standard)
-Reduce the cost of dropship hulls by at least half. 500k for something that's biggest enemy is the terrain is absurd.

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Looks like a pretty good list to me, though I do have to say the swarm launcher lock on mechanic needs to be fixed regardless and it might be worth looking at the swarm launcher lock on time in addition too, or as an alternative too the lock on range (of course if both are done they should each be done in a much lessor capacity).
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I remember a few people commenting that the range nerf to swarms was just a workaround to the rendering issues they had for so long. If true, it means that CCP has every intention of at least retuning them to their original range once they figure out the issue... Having invisible missiles flying into your vehicle was a problem.

If they really did do it because they felt the range was too long, I'd suggest having the launcher work as it currently does out to it's current max lock-on range of 175m. At ranges beyond that, the launcher could still lock on (up to the old 400m max) but there would be an increased lock on time of 0.1 seconds for every 10m past the 175m "optimal" range. A target 375m could still be targeted, but at 200m past the "optimal," it would increase the lock on time by a full 2 seconds.

Letting swarms reach these targets, even at what amounts to a significantly reduced rate of fire, would allow players not skilled into heavy suits or vehicles to at least suppress long range vehicle targets. Forcing tanks or dropships to retreat obviously isn't as good as killing them, but it can absolutely mean the difference in a pitched battle. In addition, rail tanks and installations more than 175m past the redline can now only be targeted by forge guns or large rail/missile turrets. If these objects can strike at us, we shouldn't be forced to spec into heavy suits or HAVs just to shoot back.