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TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 243	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:10:00 - [1] - Quote FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? Damage mod nerf? of 10% down to 5% Yep..... Most people run max dmg mods on their forge gun for Pro PC matches. AV needed a buff not a nerf tanks just needed their costs brought down The TTK for killing tanks is off the charts, AV has been regulated to the sidelines and this is a huge nerf for anyone who plays Pro AV. The idea that a tank should require, IE NEED 3 people or more to kill it no question of the best players is ridiculous. Tanks are tools and the idea that they cant hack objectives, They can if a proto suit player gets out of them! is stupid. Tanks need a heavy weakness to make up for their heavy advantage its as simple as that. tanks are not gods, See javelin missile vs T72. Any good armor piercing large projectile applying concentrated force should rupture the hull. Yes its a tank, it has allot of armor but guess what?! Its a lot of armor SPREAD out over the entire tank! Focused force should cause it significant trouble. AV needs a huge buff. Tanks should cost less. Lets quit this bullshit and drop the cost of tanks in half or more and make av vs tanks the way it was in the cromozone build! its not complicated FFS.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13232	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:12:00 - [2] - Quote Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 243	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:16:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields You have got to be the dumbest guy on the forums, Your like the Kid that took over daddies company and has no idea how anything actually is. The fact you are even in this thread disgusts me. There is no Heavy AV shield weapon so STFU. This change could have waited till there was like we have been doing for the last 2 years for literally everything else! There is no justification for the change now that makes even the smallest of sense.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 83	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:24:00 - [4] - Quote uhm... Flux grenade... Hiya... I use them all the time.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 931	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:25:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields You come in here bringing lore base reasons for changes in a game that not only does not follow EVE lore on a consistent basis, but also does not even have the full ranges of racial things (Including all racial vehicles and racial heavy weapons). This game already has issues with balance between weapons, it has issues with balance between infantry AV and vehicles. It has many bugs and glitches that seem to have persisted for months if not years. The map design still leaves many problems for the players, we have a game that seems to support base **.... I could go on. IWS I thought you were smarter than this mate. I just dont see how this game will grow a player base when it keeps having so many stumbles and issues that seem quite obvious to most of us. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB** For the STATE!
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1016	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:33:00 - [6] - Quote You want cut tanks cost in half?..... Go die in a hole. 30k isk tanks. 200k Full proto fit tanks. Go. Die. In. A. F***ing. Hole. Oh and forges were already anti armor, look at your damage efficiency when shooting something. its already 90% to shield 109% armor. It was fixed a long time ago, like around 1.4. GEEEEEEETTT SOOOOOOMMMMMEEEE!!!!!!
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 96	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote It's the resultant effect Forge Gun vs Dropship that i'm interested in,,, Purely from a selfish point of course,,, VIPER FTW.... flux grenades who??? Now let's sort those railguns out lol Seriously though, please don't nerf anti-vehicle too much otherwise vehicle nerfs will follow
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12024	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:51:00 - [8] - Quote Forge has always been anti armor, which is why I laugh at people who complain about the Incubus. Learn to aim. The damage mod change is stupid though, if only because DUST is already filled with huge SP investments for tiny returns, and now you're talking 2% difference between militia and proto Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 89	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:52:00 - [9] - Quote Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: It's the resultant effect Forge Gun vs Dropship that i'm interested in,,, Purely from a selfish point of course,,, VIPER FTW.... flux grenades who??? Now let's sort those railguns out lol Seriously though, please don't nerf anti-vehicle too much otherwise vehicle nerfs will follow What vs dropships... I heard there was only suicide dropships and rail tanks... But seriously I'm going to have to try another stupid stunt because of this... I'm going to jump out of a gorgon, onto a shield dropships roof... spam my fluxes and follow up with a forge gun shot... Although this does allow a lot of time for the pilot to spin upside down, or ram his dropship into the underside of a bridge, lol.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1539	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:59:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields I see your reasoning from a lore perspective, but in a game where people have more armor than shields and any race can use any weapon with no skillbonus ties this has no connection to reality. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12024	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:01:00 - [11] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: It's the resultant effect Forge Gun vs Dropship that i'm interested in,,, Purely from a selfish point of course,,, VIPER FTW.... flux grenades who??? Now let's sort those railguns out lol Seriously though, please don't nerf anti-vehicle too much otherwise vehicle nerfs will follow What vs dropships... I heard there was only suicide dropships and rail tanks... But seriously I'm going to have to try another stupid stunt because of this... I'm going to jump out of a gorgon, onto a shield dropships roof... spam my fluxes and follow up with a forge gun shot... Although this does allow a lot of time for the pilot to spin upside down, or ram his dropship into the underside of a bridge, lol. Good luck with that mate @ reality Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 277	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:04:00 - [12] - Quote TERMINALANCE wrote: FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? By not knowing that Hybrid (Rail) weapons have always been Anti-armor, and Hybrid(blaster) weapons have always been Anti-shield you have lost all credibility. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2828	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:05:00 - [13] - Quote FG has always been anti armor tbh Intelligence is OP
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12024	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:05:00 - [14] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? By not knowing that Hybrid (Rail) weapons have always been Anti-armor, and Hybrid(blaster) weapons have always been Anti-shield you have lost all credibility. Amusingly, small railguns are anti shield, not anti armor Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 90	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:11:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: It's the resultant effect Forge Gun vs Dropship that i'm interested in,,, Purely from a selfish point of course,,, VIPER FTW.... flux grenades who??? Now let's sort those railguns out lol Seriously though, please don't nerf anti-vehicle too much otherwise vehicle nerfs will follow What vs dropships... I heard there was only suicide dropships and rail tanks... But seriously I'm going to have to try another stupid stunt because of this... I'm going to jump out of a gorgon, onto a shield dropships roof... spam my fluxes and follow up with a forge gun shot... Although this does allow a lot of time for the pilot to spin upside down, or ram his dropship into the underside of a bridge, lol. Good luck with that mate @ reality Thanks : ) I'll need it.
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 96	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:22:00 - [16] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: It's the resultant effect Forge Gun vs Dropship that i'm interested in,,, Purely from a selfish point of course,,, VIPER FTW.... flux grenades who??? Now let's sort those railguns out lol Seriously though, please don't nerf anti-vehicle too much otherwise vehicle nerfs will follow What vs dropships... I heard there was only suicide dropships and rail tanks... But seriously I'm going to have to try another stupid stunt because of this... I'm going to jump out of a gorgon, onto a shield dropships roof... spam my fluxes and follow up with a forge gun shot... Although this does allow a lot of time for the pilot to spin upside down, or ram his dropship into the underside of a bridge, lol. Good luck with that mate @ reality Thanks : ) I'll need it. If you ever see me in battle i'll try fly around and let you try it out, thinking of putting a stunt-display team together lol I'm sure the Jedi could do that
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 277	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:55:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vin Mora wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? By not knowing that Hybrid (Rail) weapons have always been Anti-armor, and Hybrid(blaster) weapons have always been Anti-shield you have lost all credibility. Amusingly, small railguns are anti shield, not anti armor No, thats what small blasters are. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12035	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:59:00 - [18] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vin Mora wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? By not knowing that Hybrid (Rail) weapons have always been Anti-armor, and Hybrid(blaster) weapons have always been Anti-shield you have lost all credibility. Amusingly, small railguns are anti shield, not anti armor No, thats what small blasters are. I fly my Incubus every time I play, and use my railgun at least once every match. I can assure you, beyond all doubt, that small railguns do their bonus damage to shields, not armor. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 156	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:02:00 - [19] - Quote Some people are buthurt by the damage mod reduction, but I believe that it's fine. Available could use a buff, unless a heavy anti shield weapon is introduced Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:18:00 - [20] - Quote You know...What I am glad about this, is that the splash dam. will be reduced against infantry...I feel bad about the sniper users though. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."

Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 277	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:30:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Vin Mora wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Vin Mora wrote: TERMINALANCE wrote: FG changed to Anti armor instead of hybrid? Great how did you come up with that? By not knowing that Hybrid (Rail) weapons have always been Anti-armor, and Hybrid(blaster) weapons have always been Anti-shield you have lost all credibility. Amusingly, small railguns are anti shield, not anti armor No, thats what small blasters are. I fly my Incubus every time I play, and use my railgun at least once every match. I can assure you, beyond all doubt, that small railguns do their bonus damage to shields, not armor. If that is true, seeing as I can test it easily (every dropship I fly flips and crashes) then its a bug, and should be reported as such. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4791	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:34:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields IWS strikes again! Seriously... I want to believe this is a troll post, because not sure if serious... ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 805	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:37:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields That isn't the whole picture. Caldari = Kinetic, slightly better against armor than shield. Shields resist 40% of kinetic, armor resists 25% Gallente = Thermal, slightly better against shield than armor. Shields resist 20%, armor resists 35% Minmatar = explosive, very good against armor, worst against shield. Shields resist 50%, armor resists 10% Amarr = EM (Laser), very good against shield, worst against armor. Shields resist 0%, armor resists 50% Therefore, the damage profiles should be: Amarr: +20%/-20% Gallente: +10%/-10% Caldari: -10%/+10% Minmatar: -20%/+20% Best PVE idea I've seen.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:39:00 - [24] - Quote Kinetic = anti armor Projectile/explosive = anti armor Thermal = anti shield laser = anti shield. It's always been this way. this situation could be resolved by adding ammunition types. If you have a shield tank switch that forge gun to a shot that does more thermal damage. But av is broken in this game so idk...
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 523	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote Wait, Wait, Wait i had a GREAT idea NERF TANKS wow im a genius "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13238	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:05:00 - [26] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shield using Caldari - Anti armor vs Armor using Gallente - Anti shields Shield using Minmatar - Anti Armor vs Armor using Amarr - Anti shields You come in here bringing lore base reasons for changes in a game that not only does not follow EVE lore on a consistent basis, but also does not even have the full ranges of racial things (Including all racial vehicles and racial heavy weapons). This game already has issues with balance between weapons, it has issues with balance between infantry AV and vehicles. It has many bugs and glitches that seem to have persisted for months if not years. The map design still leaves many problems for the players, we have a game that seems to support base ****.... I could go on. IWS I thought you were smarter than this mate. I just dont see how this game will grow a player base when it keeps having so many stumbles and issues that seem quite obvious to most of us. Who said lore? New Numbers currently support this. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1237	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote Seriously, stop crying before you know the rest of what's coming in 1.8. I for sure am counting on a continuation of the vehicle rebalance. THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: You want cut tanks cost in half?..... Go die in a hole. 30k isk tanks. 200k Full proto fit tanks. Go. Die. In. A. F***ing. Hole. Oh and forges were already anti armor, look at your damage efficiency when shooting something. its already 90% to shield 109% armor. It was fixed a long time ago, like around 1.4. Except railguns are still bonused against shield... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12045	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:17:00 - [28] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: If that is true, seeing as I can test it easily (every dropship I fly flips and crashes) then its a bug, and should be reported as such. Considering small blasters do virtually no damage to anything, I'm pretty happy having one weapon in the game that deals damage to shields instead of armor. You're welcome to submit a bug report though. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Proto Annihilator Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:20:00 - [29] - Quote I guess we will be seeing many more sica rails. Dropship pilots will get humped anyway. Only it will be harder and faster than we could have ever done with FG.


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