DUST Search - 1.8 SMG NERF FEEDBACK

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

SILVERBACK 02 wrote:

guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG...

personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game.

i hope they rethink this before release to be honest.

They nerfed every weapons affected by hit detection (exepting HMG).
SMG was one of the most affected. Seems logic.
The SMG was cutting down Heavy tanked armor in 2sec (Toxin.).
It's a SECONDARY.

It's not like it was the only weapon nerfed.
They all got nerfed.

Nobody said it was OP because it was in line with the others primary weapons (exepting rifles) and....Oh wait a Secondary is in line with primary...da'hell ? (I mean as equal level STD / STD.)

SMG => "Balanced" => NO.
Not for an Secondary weapon.
It was balanced as a primary weapon......

We are reducing the general TTK, we are not going to exclude "YOUR" weapons to keep you happy and keeping destroying the game.

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SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 482	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:13:00 - [1] - Quote guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. level 0 forum warrior weapon of choice: MARK V PYTHON. -STB sky marshall
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 41	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:20:00 - [2] - Quote WHY ARE THEY NERFIN MY BABY TOXINS?!?!?! The proto scrubs have something to do with it!! Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 127	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:21:00 - [3] - Quote i didn't look at the exact stats, but they're nerfing ALL the overused light weapons too we will see how it plays out but I think they're balancing everything bamboo x (Federation Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle) you
Western Ways Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:22:00 - [4] - Quote not a fan, but they might be trying to push people into the new sidearms, magsec ftw i guess.
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 9	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:24:00 - [5] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. I have to dis-agree with you sir the assault rifle is the most balanced weapon in then game thou the smg is a fine weapon as is, im with you on that (thou I hardly ever use it anymore it just sits on my suits as a "just in case") Bunny hoping stair heavy?!? THE END IS NEAR!!!!
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 82	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:29:00 - [6] - Quote all guns are getting nerfed in order to stay in balance with the rail rifle being nerfed.... meaning the rr/cr may still be the game's most OP weapons. and with the MD getting buffed and all... this makes for an interesting update. honestly i think the smg neeed to keep the damage in order to keep up with the mag-smg. we'll see though. maybe CCP knows what they are doing. they are the ones who supposedly did all the testing before the official changes. also keep in mind that CCP has been pressured by the community to increase time-to-kill (TTK). Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1823	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:32:00 - [7] - Quote They are trying to lower over all TTK and a SMG isn't the most powerful but it does eat people. I carry one on most suits and it works well for me so a good player is probably pretty mean with one. "You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus." Raoul Duke
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines 476	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:39:00 - [8] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. They nerfed every weapons affected by hit detection (exepting HMG). SMG was one of the most affected. Seems logic. The SMG was cutting down Heavy tanked armor in 2sec (Toxin.). It's a SECONDARY. It's not like it was the only weapon nerfed. They all got nerfed. Nobody said it was OP because it was in line with the others primary weapons (exepting rifles) and....Oh wait a Secondary is in line with primary...da'hell ? (I mean as equal level STD / STD.) SMG => "Balanced" => NO. Not for an Secondary weapon. It was balanced as a primary weapon...... We are reducing the general TTK, we are not going to exclude "YOUR" weapons to keep you happy and keeping destroying the game.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1857	Posted - 2014.03.05 12:10:00 - [9] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. They didn't nerf it because it's OP. They nerfed everything to make the TTK longer. Good thing if you ask me. My fitting will finally matter. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 9	Posted - 2014.03.05 12:12:00 - [10] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. They nerfed every weapons affected by hit detection (exepting HMG). SMG was one of the most affected. Seems logic. The SMG was cutting down Heavy tanked armor in 2sec (Toxin.). It's a SECONDARY. It's not like it was the only weapon nerfed. They all got nerfed. Nobody said it was OP because it was in line with the others primary weapons (exepting rifles) and....Oh wait a Secondary is in line with primary...da'hell ? (I mean as equal level STD / STD.) SMG => "Balanced" => NO. Not for an Secondary weapon. It was balanced as a primary weapon...... We are reducing the general TTK, we are not going to exclude "YOUR" weapons to keep you happy and keeping destroying the game. lol yea I ran outa ammo the otherday and a heavy charged me so I wiped out my smg and beat him with one clip Bunny hoping stair heavy?!? THE END IS NEAR!!!!

Tonka Legacy THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 63	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:27:00 - [11] - Quote I don't feel smg's need a nerf, I just skilled into them and there nothing special like the flaylock use to be. Scrambler rifles, the REAL way to scramble eggs... Laser rifles, good for popping corn... Shotgun, great for parties...
Leupox Dior Science For Death 35	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote Well if everything else is also nerfed then it's ok, the SMG is usually my primairy weapon. They should add dual wield for sidearms Federation Scout G-1 + Shotgun Soundcloud
ShalaShasta 666 Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 6	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:00:00 - [13] - Quote everything is taking a nerf except MD and LR to increase TTK relax OUKH Join Today Lokun Listamenn Got Alt?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1134	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:34:00 - [14] - Quote I dont mind the SMG nerf but I what I mind is that MagSec out damages AR and has similar range too
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 750	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:40:00 - [15] - Quote Even though nobody cried about it, the SMG was still very powerful for what it is Nemo me impune lacessit
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1136	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:35:00 - [16] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Even though nobody cried about it, the SMG was still very powerful for what it is it deals less dps than light weapons and has short range. I would say working as intended as a sidearm
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 10	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote ShalaShasta 666 wrote: everything is taking a nerf except MD and LR to increase TTK relax are shotguns getting a nerf too? cus the TTK for that should be over very fast due to nature of the Weapon Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 277	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:47:00 - [18] - Quote Just go use the Magsec SMG, it has great DPS than the AR and equal range as well. It has a .3 sec pre-charge but I am sure a good user can work past that.
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 265	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:13:00 - [19] - Quote I support it in the overall advancement of increase the TTK. I wield dual six kin smg's and can tell you first hand they are WAY overpowered. I melt people with them in like 2 seconds flat. Sure, its useful...but its crazy overpowered and the Toxin SMG's are seriously overpowered as well.
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 144	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:26:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: I support it in the overall advancement of increase the TTK. I wield dual six kin smg's and can tell you first hand they are WAY overpowered. I melt people with them in like 2 seconds flat. Sure, its useful...but its crazy overpowered and the Toxin SMG's are seriously overpowered as well. So imagine dual-wielding the Magsec SMGs..... "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.

ShalaShasta 666 Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 6	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote jaksol returns wrote: ShalaShasta 666 wrote: everything is taking a nerf except MD and LR to increase TTK relax are shotguns getting a nerf too? cus the TTK for that should be over very fast due to nature of the Weapon all the weapon changes are listed Here In theory the smg is taking a buff since it has the lowest nerf @ 8.7% when everything else effected is taking 9-15.8% nerf OUKH Join Today Lokun Listamenn Got Alt?
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 84	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:15:00 - [22] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Even though nobody cried about it, the SMG was still very powerful for what it is it deals less dps than light weapons and has short range. I would say working as intended as a sidearm I've seen people taken out by, and been killed myself by some really good SMG players much faster than light weapons. So.. I disagree. SMG being reduced in damage along with the other weapons was needed, it was basically a light weapon in a sidearm slot if you specialize in it with profeciency and damage mods.
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 84	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:16:00 - [23] - Quote ShalaShasta 666 wrote: jaksol returns wrote: ShalaShasta 666 wrote: everything is taking a nerf except MD and LR to increase TTK relax are shotguns getting a nerf too? cus the TTK for that should be over very fast due to nature of the Weapon all the weapon changes are listed Here In theory the smg is taking a buff since it has the lowest nerf @ 8.7% when everything else effected is taking 9-15.8% nerf SMG being buffed because its losing less DPS than other weapons? Sounds like people complaining about budget cuts when their budget only goes up 4% instead of 5%.
Oswald Rehnquist 1267	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:46:00 - [24] - Quote They also nerfed the magsecs damage from what they originally put out to what they just put out now Below 28 dB
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1830	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:03:00 - [25] - Quote Western Ways wrote: not a fan, but they might be trying to push people into the new sidearms, magsec ftw i guess. magsec didn't get nerfed because the hitscan weapon nerf was a after thought. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1902	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:11:00 - [26] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. All the hitscan bullet hoses need a nerf, SMGs included. This will help increase ttk because these bullet hoses are the major offenders.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 804	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:17:00 - [27] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: guys use this thread to discuss this new nerf to "ol faithful" SMG... personally i think its not needed.. no one is QQing on the forums saying the smg is OP i feel that CCP is infact nerfing the only balanced and "well done" racial and realistic weapon in the game. i hope they rethink this before release to be honest. They nerfed every weapons affected by hit detection (exepting HMG). SMG was one of the most affected. Seems logic. The SMG was cutting down Heavy tanked armor in 2sec (Toxin.). It's a SECONDARY. It's not like it was the only weapon nerfed. They all got nerfed. Nobody said it was OP because it was in line with the others primary weapons (exepting rifles) and....Oh wait a Secondary is in line with primary...da'hell ? (I mean as equal level STD / STD.) SMG => "Balanced" => NO. Not for an Secondary weapon. It was balanced as a primary weapon...... We are reducing the general TTK, we are not going to exclude "YOUR" weapons to keep you happy and keeping destroying the game. Magsec SMG Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Oswald Rehnquist 1267	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:26:00 - [28] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Western Ways wrote: not a fan, but they might be trying to push people into the new sidearms, magsec ftw i guess. magsec didn't get nerfed because the hitscan weapon nerf was a after thought. ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: Magsec SMG You guys don't know what your talking about, it got nerfed Magsec old numbers std 35 adv 36.75 pro 38.5 Magsec new numbers std 32 adv 33.6 pro 35.5 Essentially the old standard become the new proto Below 28 dB
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 439	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:31:00 - [29] - Quote Sniper Rifle not being nerfed? Phew, okay then.


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